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Re: The roster flaw that still hurts...
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2023, 04:57:39 PM »

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They could have brought in a high quality player or two with the TPEs. They simply didn't want to spend the money.

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« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2023, 05:35:24 PM »

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They could have brought in a high quality player or two with the TPEs. They simply didn't want to spend the money.

Which players?
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Re: The roster flaw that still hurts...
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2023, 08:31:17 PM »

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Well, players that WERE traded and obviously available: Thomas Bryant, Mason Plumlee, Jalen McDaniels, Cam Reddish, Josh Hart, James Wiseman, Saddiq Bey, Jakob Poeltl, Rui Hachimura, Mo Bamba, . . .

Re: The roster flaw that still hurts...
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2023, 08:43:55 PM »

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I personally would have liked to have seen them add Plumlee and Bey. Plumlee ($9,080,417 salary for 2022-23) cost the Clippers Reggie Jackson and a 2028 2nd round pick. Hawks gave up Kevin Knox and five future 2nd round picks for Bey ($2,959,080 salary for 2022-23).

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« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2023, 08:55:57 PM »

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I personally would have liked to have seen them add Plumlee and Bey. Plumlee ($9,080,417 salary for 2022-23) cost the Clippers Reggie Jackson and a 2028 2nd round pick. Hawks gave up Kevin Knox and five future 2nd round picks for Bey ($2,959,080 salary for 2022-23).
and what assets are the C's sending out to make those deals?

no salary slot big enough for Plumlee nor an expendable player making enough to swap for him salary wise.  no exemption slots big enough for that contract either at that point.

Bey has been meh for Atlanta.  don't the volume of second rounders to match what Atlanta gave up

Re: The roster flaw that still hurts...
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2023, 09:29:43 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

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« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2023, 09:36:52 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

I was hoping for Hachimura.

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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2023, 07:43:45 PM »

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Very disheartening for Celtic fans if either:

* the owners did not want to spend the money to fill our biggest need this year OR
* Brad is either not that bright or is so obsessed with small ball that he didn't think we needed any more size.

To add insult to injury, Brad and Wyc thought it wise to hand over a team on the verge of winning some titles to a guy who has no business being the coach of the Boston Celtics. How did Roy describe Joe ? Two years away from being two years away. Perfect.


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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2023, 07:53:54 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

I was hoping for Hachimura.

Hachimura cost three second rounders.  Trading for him would have meant the Celtics had zero 2nd rounders left through 2029.  We used a lot of draft capital that past couple years.  Not all of it perfectly, but it was expended all the same.

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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2023, 08:39:53 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

I was hoping for Hachimura.


Hachimura cost three second rounders.  Trading for him would have meant the Celtics had zero 2nd rounders left through 2029.  We used a lot of draft capital that past couple years.  Not all of it perfectly, but it was expended all the same.

And if we win 2-3 titles during that time, it would be well worth it.
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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2023, 09:21:35 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

I was hoping for Hachimura.

Hachimura cost three second rounders.  Trading for him would have meant the Celtics had zero 2nd rounders left through 2029.  We used a lot of draft capital that past couple years.  Not all of it perfectly, but it was expended all the same.

When is the last time the C’s hit on a second rounder. Ryan Gomes?
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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2023, 09:26:10 PM »

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Guys like G-Will and Muscala are barely getting much playing time as is right now. Same with Pritchard.

It's easy to "hindsight 20/20" but I'm not so sure Hachimura would be as good here as he is with the Lakers given fit and role.

I do agree that I wish we were a bit more aggressive in using the TPEs earlier that we just let expire. Bey was someone I really wanted. He could have been such a nice weapon to have off the bench, or even just another sparkplug that could come in and hit buckets. I think that was feasible too.
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Re: The roster flaw that still hurts...
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2023, 09:27:17 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

I was hoping for Hachimura.

Hachimura cost three second rounders.  Trading for him would have meant the Celtics had zero 2nd rounders left through 2029.  We used a lot of draft capital that past couple years.  Not all of it perfectly, but it was expended all the same.

When is the last time the C’s hit on a second rounder. Ryan Gomes?

Glen Davis?


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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2023, 09:32:26 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

I was hoping for Hachimura.


Hachimura cost three second rounders.  Trading for him would have meant the Celtics had zero 2nd rounders left through 2029.  We used a lot of draft capital that past couple years.  Not all of it perfectly, but it was expended all the same.

And if we win 2-3 titles during that time, it would be well worth it.

Yes. But it’s a little too much for me to accept the premise that Hachimura brings 2-3 titles and the team as constructed brings zero.  But yes, if he was the difference between zero and 2-3 titles, he’s worth many, many 2nds.

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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2023, 10:12:15 PM »

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Plumlee would have worked last offseason since the 17.1 TPE expired 7/18/22. Reddish fit the 5.9 exception which expired 2/10/23. And Hachimura fit the 6.9 exception which expired 1-19-23. I'd just as soon have gone with Reddish and Hachimura. Point is, they could have gotten even deeper than they already are, but they didn't. We go with what we've got. That being said, Grant Williams needs to play. Period.

I was hoping for Hachimura.

Hachimura cost three second rounders.  Trading for him would have meant the Celtics had zero 2nd rounders left through 2029.  We used a lot of draft capital that past couple years.  Not all of it perfectly, but it was expended all the same.

When is the last time the C’s hit on a second rounder. Ryan Gomes?

Glen Davis?

Oh, right. Looks like he was actually drafted by Seattle and traded to Boston. 2007 draft..
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