Celtics out of gas but still no 15th man!

[Goldstar88]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

[smokeablount]

I just don't see how signing Derrick Favors to a 10 day contract is going to help anything.  Miami was in desperate need of big depth, far worse than us, and Favors didn't even get off their bench.

I do think we need to sign someone (really the 14th person with Gallinari the 15th and out), but last week I would have said we needed a wing.  Now with Rob Williams not playing, maybe the need is a big.  I think this is why they are waiting.  The need can change.

Isn't that why there are 10-day contracts?

Miami used a 10 day contract to sign Favors.  What good did that do them?  He never played a minute.  I think in most cases, that is what you are going to get with a 10 day contract player, nothing.  If there is someone that can actually help the team on nights like last night, I am all for signing them, 10 day or otherwise.  But would Favors (for example) sitting on the bench last night have helped us?  Miami was far more shorthanded for bigs than we are right now and Favors didn't help them one bit.

I get the frustration, it is pathetic to watch the team right now.  But signing a useless player to a 10 day contract is not going to help.  It would be nothing more than a desperation move that would not accomplish anything, unless by some miracle, we find that 10-day contract guy who is going to step into our rotation and contribute.  Miami tried it with Favors.  Good for them.  We (and all other 28 teams) decided not to bring in Favors (something I was totally in favor of earlier in the season).  Looks like someone knew better than me.

By that logic we should be voluntarily forfeiting any 2nd round pick we don’t trade.

[dannyboy35]

  I’m still shocked they did t “ overpay for Poetl, get Burks much earlier , how many 1sts to get Bogs. All after Wyc stressed “this year not next year. “ in an article!! Again! Does he just want attention? This isn’t the first time they’ve done nothing to bolster the contending lineup.
   But fans were cool with this. Talked like it was their money and picks protecting. Shoukd have gone all in this year for 1 title. You win a title in Boston I’d  bet the Jays would stay  for life. They coujd still win it but they could have been I overwhelming  faves . But agsin, all gotta do is look back. People were very CONTENT with Muscala. He was enough. I guess we’ll see. But wow the risk.

[Moranis]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

[boscel33]

  I’m still shocked they did t “ overpay for Poetl, get Burks much earlier , how many 1sts to get Bogs. All after Wyc stressed “this year not next year. “ in an article!! Again! Does he just want attention? This isn’t the first time they’ve done nothing to bolster the contending lineup.
   But fans were cool with this. Talked like it was their money and picks protecting. Shoukd have gone all in this year for 1 title. You win a title in Boston I’d  bet the Jays would stay  for life. They coujd still win it but they could have been I overwhelming  faves . But agsin, all gotta do is look back. People were very CONTENT with Muscala. He was enough. I guess we’ll see. But wow the risk.

I'm beginning to think Wyc, and the ownership team is a sham.  He says everything but then we let TPE's expire for nothing.  I think he has Brad's hands tied just like Danny's.  He doesn't want to lose the fan base, so he talks a good game but, in the end, nothing.

[liam]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

They have very similar numbers this year.

[liam]

  I’m still shocked they did t “ overpay for Poetl, get Burks much earlier , how many 1sts to get Bogs. All after Wyc stressed “this year not next year. “ in an article!! Again! Does he just want attention? This isn’t the first time they’ve done nothing to bolster the contending lineup.
   But fans were cool with this. Talked like it was their money and picks protecting. Shoukd have gone all in this year for 1 title. You win a title in Boston I’d  bet the Jays would stay  for life. They coujd still win it but they could have been I overwhelming  faves . But agsin, all gotta do is look back. People were very CONTENT with Muscala. He was enough. I guess we’ll see. But wow the risk.

I'm beginning to think Wyc, and the ownership team is a sham.  He says everything but then we let TPE's expire for nothing.  I think he has Brad's hands tied just like Danny's.  He doesn't want to lose the fan base, so he talks a good game but, in the end, nothing.

I hear there are going to be fireworks. 

[Goldstar88]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

He’s playing behind Giannis, Lopez and Bobby Portis. Course he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Think he’d have a better opportunity to compete for playing time considering Rob is hurt, Al needs load management, and Grant/Kornet aren’t very good.

[Sophomore]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

He’s playing behind Giannis, Lopez and Bobby Portis. Course he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Think he’d have a better opportunity to compete for playing time considering Rob is hurt, Al needs load management, and Grant/Kornet aren’t very good.

For my money these guys are sideways moves or marginal improvements at the very best. If people are unhappy that our starters have limited durability, I get it - that could bite us. Thinking we can get a 15th man who is a starting caliber player for a contender or close to it? That’s not reasonable. You get players a lot like Luke or Blake. Major flaws.

[Goldstar88]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

He’s playing behind Giannis, Lopez and Bobby Portis. Course he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Think he’d have a better opportunity to compete for playing time considering Rob is hurt, Al needs load management, and Grant/Kornet aren’t very good.

For my money these guys are sideways moves or marginal improvements at the very best. If people are unhappy that our starters have limited durability, I get it - that could bite us. Thinking we can get a 15th man who is a starting caliber player for a contender or close to it? That’s not reasonable. You get players a lot like Luke or Blake. Major flaws.

Yeah, I don’t think anyone is saying that. What people are hopeful for is adding a player that can contribute more than Griffin and Kornet. Literally no one wanted Griffin all off-season. He signed with the C’s last minute after Gallo went down. I’m not sure that Kornet would be in the NBA If it wasn’t for Brad.

[Sophomore]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

He’s playing behind Giannis, Lopez and Bobby Portis. Course he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Think he’d have a better opportunity to compete for playing time considering Rob is hurt, Al needs load management, and Grant/Kornet aren’t very good.

For my money these guys are sideways moves or marginal improvements at the very best. If people are unhappy that our starters have limited durability, I get it - that could bite us. Thinking we can get a 15th man who is a starting caliber player for a contender or close to it? That’s not reasonable. You get players a lot like Luke or Blake. Major flaws.

Yeah, I don’t think anyone is saying that. What people are hopeful for is adding a player that can contribute more than Griffin and Kornet. Literally no one wanted Griffin all off-season. He signed with the C’s last minute after Gallo went down. I’m not sure that Kornet would be in the NBA If it wasn’t for Brad.

Ok. But I still maintain that nobody has named a guy who provides a significant upgrade over them. Serge Ibaka? He is literally not on an NBA team - the Pacers waived him. Nerlens Noel? No idea whether we could get him, but a lot of ppl who’ve seen him say he’s washed. Blake is definitely a better rebounder and shooter. Heck, Kornet might be.

I should add - this hypothetical big also has to be better than Muscala. People seem to want a guy who will mostly sit the end of the bench, not play most nights, and still be good enough to make a difference to winning. Good luck. We are the deepest team in the league. Our problems aren’t caused by lack of depth.

[liam]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

He’s playing behind Giannis, Lopez and Bobby Portis. Course he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Think he’d have a better opportunity to compete for playing time considering Rob is hurt, Al needs load management, and Grant/Kornet aren’t very good.

For my money these guys are sideways moves or marginal improvements at the very best. If people are unhappy that our starters have limited durability, I get it - that could bite us. Thinking we can get a 15th man who is a starting caliber player for a contender or close to it? That’s not reasonable. You get players a lot like Luke or Blake. Major flaws.

Yeah, I don’t think anyone is saying that. What people are hopeful for is adding a player that can contribute more than Griffin and Kornet. Literally no one wanted Griffin all off-season. He signed with the C’s last minute after Gallo went down. I’m not sure that Kornet would be in the NBA If it wasn’t for Brad.

Ok. But I still maintain that nobody has named a guy who provides a significant upgrade over them. Serge Ibaka? He is literally not on an NBA team - the Pacers waived him. Nerlens Noel? No idea whether we could get him, but a lot of ppl who’ve seen him say he’s washed. Blake is definitely a better rebounder and shooter. Heck, Kornet might be.

I should add - this hypothetical big also has to be better than Muscala. People seem to want a guy who will mostly sit the end of the bench, not play most nights, and still be good enough to make a difference to winning. Good luck. We are the deepest team in the league. Our problems aren’t caused by lack of depth.

I'd take Stanley Johnson in a second. He can play both forward spots and small ball center.

[Moranis]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

He’s playing behind Giannis, Lopez and Bobby Portis. Course he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Think he’d have a better opportunity to compete for playing time considering Rob is hurt, Al needs load management, and Grant/Kornet aren’t very good.

He played 14 of the Bucks 1st 16 games and only played 2 games after that, because he quite simply wasn't any good.  There were minutes available for him all year, but the Bucks stopped playing him.  Serge is done as a player you can play.  He is much worse than Griffin and Kornet at this point. 

[liam]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

I'm not sure Serge is better than Kornet.  He barely played in Milwaukee before they let him go.

He’s playing behind Giannis, Lopez and Bobby Portis. Course he’s not going to get a lot of minutes. Think he’d have a better opportunity to compete for playing time considering Rob is hurt, Al needs load management, and Grant/Kornet aren’t very good.

He played 14 of the Bucks 1st 16 games and only played 2 games after that, because he quite simply wasn't any good.  There were minutes available for him all year, but the Bucks stopped playing him.  Serge is done as a player you can play.  He is much worse than Griffin and Kornet at this point.

Kornet had better numbers than Serge this year, especially PER 10 to17...

[gouki88]

If someone is out there who is better than Kornet and Blake, fine. I haven’t heard such a player mentioned. I wondered why Blake didn’t play at all in the 4th. With his limitations on D he’s still a very effective rebounder.

Cody Zeller and Myers Leonard are both better than Kornet. They recently signed with other teams. Serge Ibaka is available and he is also better than Kornet.

You've repeatedly asserted that Leonard is better than Kornet - how?