Luka for the last spot?

[Vermont Green]

Are the Celtics just trying to save a couple of bucks by not signing a 15th man? That's bush league. The Bucks are stocking up!

I don't entirely accept that.  Having an open roster spot offers flexibility.  I would not sign someone just to sign someone, that would really just be a waste of money.  Nerlens Noel for example, to me, that would just be a waste.  They will fill up the roster in due course I suspect.  It is July.  Their track record is to let things play out, see where the needs really are, and then address them.

In my view, you don't know where Brogdon is going to be, or RWill, in terms of injury.  You don't really know how good Brissett is going to be until you see him on the floor in your uniform with your team.  So do we need a PG?  A wing?  A big?  There is no rush here.

[Roy H.]

Are the Celtics just trying to save a couple of bucks by not signing a 15th man? That's bush league. The Bucks are stocking up!

I don't entirely accept that.  Having an open roster spot offers flexibility.  I would not sign someone just to sign someone, that would really just be a waste of money.  Nerlens Noel for example, to me, that would just be a waste.  They will fill up the roster in due course I suspect.  It is July.  Their track record is to let things play out, see where the needs really are, and then address them.

In my view, you don't know where Brogdon is going to be, or RWill, in terms of injury.  You don't really know how good Brissett is going to be until you see him on the floor in your uniform with your team.  So do we need a PG?  A wing?  A big?  There is no rush here.

That comment was from last March, when the team didn't fill the spot.  Circumstances are a bit (but not entirely) different now.

[Vermont Green]

Are the Celtics just trying to save a couple of bucks by not signing a 15th man? That's bush league. The Bucks are stocking up!

I don't entirely accept that.  Having an open roster spot offers flexibility.  I would not sign someone just to sign someone, that would really just be a waste of money.  Nerlens Noel for example, to me, that would just be a waste.  They will fill up the roster in due course I suspect.  It is July.  Their track record is to let things play out, see where the needs really are, and then address them.

In my view, you don't know where Brogdon is going to be, or RWill, in terms of injury.  You don't really know how good Brissett is going to be until you see him on the floor in your uniform with your team.  So do we need a PG?  A wing?  A big?  There is no rush here.

That comment was from last March, when the team didn't fill the spot.  Circumstances are a bit (but not entirely) different now.

Oh, yeah, I see that now.  My bad.

Luka Samanic is right on the bubble of NBA vs G-League, and still young.  I would be fine with swapping him for Champagnie, so long as the contract is not guaranteed, like Champagnie's contract.  I would prefer not to fill the last roster spot with him though.  And I am still hoping for Giles for the last 2-way spot but if that fell through, I would be happy with Luka Samanic as a 2-way.

[Surferdad]

In Las Vegas Samanic averaged 16.6 points, 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.3 steals and 1.3 blocks per game white shooting 36.8% from 3 and 51.3% overall.

Team sources have indicated that the Jazz are willing to give Samanic a chance this season and that there’s a real shot of him being on the roster this season. His age, height, length and untapped potential are all things that intrigue the Jazz.

I still don't understand why we chose Champagnie over this guy.  I openly preferred a more NBA ready guy than Luka for the roster spot, but if it was going to be wasted on a dumpster dive, why not gamble on the guy who 1) was a first rounder; 2) performed extremely well in the G-league; 3) has some actual NBA skills, although he still needs development?

I believe his contract became $400k guaranteed since he wasn't waived yesterday.  Good for him.

Yeah, thanks for the reminder of the updated status. I am a little surprised, but it all makes sense given that there have been no other changes/trades since SL. Pay him 400K to keep your options open. Is Champagnie tradeable now?

[footey]

Isn't this guy on the Jazz roster now?

[radiohead]

Isn't this guy on the Jazz roster now?

Yes he is.

[Vermont Green]

Is Champagnie tradeable now?

I believe so.  He is a non-guaranteed contract with some very light guarantee milestones (2023-24: non-guaranteed, $50,000 guaranteed 8/1/23, $350,000 guaranteed opening night, fully guaranteed 1/10/24).  I think we could trade him or include him in a trade at any time and the team receiving him could waive him with little or no dead cap impact.  He is essentially a $2M TPE, but that be combined with other contracts in a trade if desired.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't think the Mavs are buying out or waiving Doncic

 

Brown and Brogdon has my approval.

[hwangjini_1]

In Las Vegas Samanic averaged 16.6 points, 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.3 steals and 1.3 blocks per game white shooting 36.8% from 3 and 51.3% overall.

Team sources have indicated that the Jazz are willing to give Samanic a chance this season and that there’s a real shot of him being on the roster this season. His age, height, length and untapped potential are all things that intrigue the Jazz.

I still don't understand why we chose Champagnie over this guy.  I openly preferred a more NBA ready guy than Luka for the roster spot, but if it was going to be wasted on a dumpster dive, why not gamble on the guy who 1) was a first rounder; 2) performed extremely well in the G-league; 3) has some actual NBA skills, although he still needs development?

I believe his contract became $400k guaranteed since he wasn't waived yesterday.  Good for him.

i agree. i don't know why the celtics aren't looking more closely at samanic. i have watched a few videos of him this year and what i liked was he does not shy away from physical contact. watch him set picks. he puts his body into people under the basket.

and yes, he can shoot and score.

who knows, maybe brad will read this thread and change his mind. 

[ozgod]

I'm guessing they will keep the spot open till at least the trade deadline to see what needs they have, and if they don't feel they can find anyone that will move the needle they won't fill it for the sake of it. This is the new environment of the new CBA where nobody wants to get penalized for nice-to-have signings that might not make an impact other than in garbage time or as insurance. Assuming Jaylen gets his supermax (which I think he will) we would have $140m tied up in four players (KP, the Jays, Brogdon) and with signing Banton I think that puts us at $3.4m under the 2nd apron.

From listening to Brad, he seems to disagree with most of us who think we lack depth in bigs (due to KP and Timelord's injury histories and Al's age) or in ball handlers (due to Smartactus's departure and Brogdon's injury history). He actually wants more wings, which is something I think most of us feel we have too much of. So he's seeing something we aren't  so I tried to look at things from his point of view, filling out a depth chart of players who can fulfill the roles that he envisions for players on the court (instead of pigeonholing them as only a power forward, only a point guard, etc):

Ball handlers: White, Brogdon, JT, JB, Payton, Banton
Wings (presumably two way): JT, JB, Brogdon, White, Hauser, Champagnie, Brissett, KP (though defensively he might get exposed on the perimeter)
Bigs: KP, Al, Timelord, Kornet, JT (in a small ball lineup)

Looking at it that way, there is a talent drop off with our wings, especially if you want to give defenses different looks. Curious to see if you guys think I got that depth right or not as well  it might be a stretch to call KP a wing, but he can play on the wing offensively at least. Defensively I think he might have an issue. Same with JT, I read a comment from Joe earlier in the season about how he was considering using JT as a small ball five if he wanted to use such a lineup. White and Brogdon are versatile enough to play on the wing and fill that role and defend other wings I think. Same for JT and JB, Brad specifically mentioned them both as ball handlers who could initiate offense as part of his justification to not replace Smartacus with another ball handler.

[Alleyoopster]

In Las Vegas Samanic averaged 16.6 points, 7.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.3 steals and 1.3 blocks per game white shooting 36.8% from 3 and 51.3% overall.

Team sources have indicated that the Jazz are willing to give Samanic a chance this season and that there’s a real shot of him being on the roster this season. His age, height, length and untapped potential are all things that intrigue the Jazz.

I still don't understand why we chose Champagnie over this guy.  I openly preferred a more NBA ready guy than Luka for the roster spot, but if it was going to be wasted on a dumpster dive, why not gamble on the guy who 1) was a first rounder; 2) performed extremely well in the G-league; 3) has some actual NBA skills, although he still needs development?

I believe his contract became $400k guaranteed since he wasn't waived yesterday.  Good for him.

Sure hope Brad can bring in a seasoned veteran. Champagnie didn't look all that great in preseason.

[BitterJim]

Is Champagnie tradeable now?

I believe so.  He is a non-guaranteed contract with some very light guarantee milestones (2023-24: non-guaranteed, $50,000 guaranteed 8/1/23, $350,000 guaranteed opening night, fully guaranteed 1/10/24).  I think we could trade him or include him in a trade at any time and the team receiving him could waive him with little or no dead cap impact.  He is essentially a $2M TPE, but that be combined with other contracts in a trade if desired.

One minor correction, he would only count as his full outgoing salary if we guaranteed us before trading him. Otherwise he just counts as whatever the guaranteed portion of his salary is (but iirc he counts as his full salary for the team trading for him).

This was changed a few years ago to prevent teams from using a bunch of non-guaranteed salary to bring in good players

[Vermont Green]

Is Champagnie tradeable now?

I believe so.  He is a non-guaranteed contract with some very light guarantee milestones (2023-24: non-guaranteed, $50,000 guaranteed 8/1/23, $350,000 guaranteed opening night, fully guaranteed 1/10/24).  I think we could trade him or include him in a trade at any time and the team receiving him could waive him with little or no dead cap impact.  He is essentially a $2M TPE, but that be combined with other contracts in a trade if desired.

One minor correction, he would only count as his full outgoing salary if we guaranteed us before trading him. Otherwise he just counts as whatever the guaranteed portion of his salary is (but iirc he counts as his full salary for the team trading for him).

This was changed a few years ago to prevent teams from using a bunch of non-guaranteed salary to bring in good players

Thanks for the clarification.  I didn't know that.  Not quite as useful then.

[Who]

Is Champagnie tradeable now?

I believe so.  He is a non-guaranteed contract with some very light guarantee milestones (2023-24: non-guaranteed, $50,000 guaranteed 8/1/23, $350,000 guaranteed opening night, fully guaranteed 1/10/24).  I think we could trade him or include him in a trade at any time and the team receiving him could waive him with little or no dead cap impact.  He is essentially a $2M TPE, but that be combined with other contracts in a trade if desired.

One minor correction, he would only count as his full outgoing salary if we guaranteed us before trading him. Otherwise he just counts as whatever the guaranteed portion of his salary is (but iirc he counts as his full salary for the team trading for him).

This was changed a few years ago to prevent teams from using a bunch of non-guaranteed salary to bring in good players

Good rule change.

[Celtics4ever]

Is Champagnie tradeable now?

For what a box of pop rocks?  A dirty mop?   I just don't see him having any value.