True or False: We Play Better as a Team Without JB

[Roy H.]

Is JB taking away better shots from JT?  I haven’t noticed that.

Here are the Celts’ player stats in the 4th:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?Period=4&TeamID=1610612738

It seems like JB is scoring / shooting at the same level as JT.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

TP Todd_days. That's an excellent point made.
If Brown would accept his role as a secondary option and embrace his defensive qualities he would be much more valuable to the team.

Is there any evidence that he is not accepting this? I hear this brought up a lot but I’m finding it hard to find any evidence supporting this narrative.

Yeah, I also think this is made up.

In addition, Jaylen has t requested a trade because he doesn’t want to leave. It’s fans that are creating this narrative because they don’t like JB, for one reason or another.

[todd_days_41]

TP Todd_days. That's an excellent point made.
If Brown would accept his role as a secondary option and embrace his defensive qualities he would be much more valuable to the team.

Is there any evidence that he is not accepting this? I hear this brought up a lot but I’m finding it hard to find any evidence supporting this narrative.

Yeah, I also think this is made up.

In addition, Jaylen has t requested a trade because he doesn’t want to leave. It’s fans that are creating this narrative because they don’t like JB, for one reason or another.

Definitely not much “evidence”. I think the chip on Brown’s shoulder is fairly evident in his comments and interviews with some regularity. But obv he doesn’t come right out and say it.

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

[Moranis]

I think Brown is fine playing as the #2. He still gets his shots, still gets his numbers, and the team is good.  I just don't think he impacts winning of this team all that much which is fully supported by years of evidence.

[Csfan1984]

Come playoffs when defense tightens and roleplayers shrink that's when people will cry for Brown. Just look at Bucks without Middleton. The C's need everyone if they are going to win. The Jays need to play like stars and roleplayers have to be decent.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I think Brown is fine playing as the #2. He still gets his shots, still gets his numbers, and the team is good.  I just don't think he impacts winning of this team all that much which is fully supported by years of evidence.

You can cherry pick stats as you will. Roy already poked a Chinese balloon-sized hole in your theory about this year’s record without JB. You still haven’t accounted for last year’s Finals when Tatum was gassed.

You also haven’t provided any type of solution to the “Jaylen Brown problem”. Basically, you’re complaining about a non issue.

[Kernewek]

Think this thread would be a better read if we focused on the argument rather than who is making the arguments - particularly as different posters are all being attacked for having a legitimate opinion (even if it isn't one that I share).

[gouki88]

TP Todd_days. That's an excellent point made.
If Brown would accept his role as a secondary option and embrace his defensive qualities he would be much more valuable to the team.

Is there any evidence that he is not accepting this? I hear this brought up a lot but I’m finding it hard to find any evidence supporting this narrative.

Yeah, I also think this is made up.

In addition, Jaylen has t requested a trade because he doesn’t want to leave. It’s fans that are creating this narrative because they don’t like JB, for one reason or another.

Definitely not much “evidence”. I think the chip on Brown’s shoulder is fairly evident in his comments and interviews with some regularity. But obv he doesn’t come right out and say it.

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Please, cite these comments

[gouki88]

I think Brown is fine playing as the #2. He still gets his shots, still gets his numbers, and the team is good.  I just don't think he impacts winning of this team all that much which is fully supported by years of evidence.

By evidence, do you mean one or two stats that you cling to for dear life? Or do you also include any evidence to the contrary?

[Moranis]

I think Brown is fine playing as the #2. He still gets his shots, still gets his numbers, and the team is good.  I just don't think he impacts winning of this team all that much which is fully supported by years of evidence.

You can cherry pick stats as you will. Roy already poked a Chinese balloon-sized hole in your theory about this year’s record without JB. You still haven’t accounted for last year’s Finals when Tatum was gassed.

You also haven’t provided any type of solution to the “Jaylen Brown problem”. Basically, you’re complaining about a non issue.

you mean the Finals in which we lost.  Doesn't that support the position I'm taking i.e. Brown doesnt impact winning all that much.  And all that much doesnt mean not at all.  The simple reality is year after year it is the exact same thing, Boston wins at a .500 rate or better when Brown doesnt play at all and generally wins at around the same rate with or without him.  EVERY SINGLE YEAR.  It makes no difference who they play, the same thing happens again and again.  Last year Brown missed 14 of the first 27 games, Boston was 7-7 without him and 6-7 with him.  They obviously went on a crazy tear down the stretch and Brown was a part of that, and that led to Brown's most impactful year.  Until the playoffs when Boston was yet again better with Brown on the bench.

[Neurotic Guy]

“Doesn’t impact winning all that much.” Meaning, he does impact winning, just not a lot.  OK. So, like you and everyone else here I’m looking forward to him rejoining the team after the break so he can impact winning - whether it’s a little as you argue, or whether it’s a significant amount as I think. Can’t wait to see him jump out of the gate in the 1st as we’ve seen countless times, or go on a tear in the 4th as has also been the case on numerous occasions.  Love his contribution to the team and hope he’s here for his career.

[Roy H.]

TP Todd_days. That's an excellent point made.
If Brown would accept his role as a secondary option and embrace his defensive qualities he would be much more valuable to the team.

Is there any evidence that he is not accepting this? I hear this brought up a lot but I’m finding it hard to find any evidence supporting this narrative.

Yeah, I also think this is made up.

In addition, Jaylen has t requested a trade because he doesn’t want to leave. It’s fans that are creating this narrative because they don’t like JB, for one reason or another.

Definitely not much “evidence”. I think the chip on Brown’s shoulder is fairly evident in his comments and interviews with some regularity. But obv he doesn’t come right out and say it.

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Please, cite these comments

I think in the past he's made comments about not feeling embraced, and on social media he's liked comments talking about how Boston fans don't appreciate him enough.  And, anecdotally, he hasn't been a "rah rah" guy about the fans and city in general. 

That's why I liked this in a recent interview:

“My friends, they come in town, they talk about Boston. I mean, Boston is this and that and I find myself defending,” explained the Georgia native. “As I got integrated into the community, I met a lot of people who live in Boston who do a lot of great things.”

[boscel33]

TP Todd_days. That's an excellent point made.
If Brown would accept his role as a secondary option and embrace his defensive qualities he would be much more valuable to the team.

Is there any evidence that he is not accepting this? I hear this brought up a lot but I’m finding it hard to find any evidence supporting this narrative.

Yeah, I also think this is made up.

In addition, Jaylen has t requested a trade because he doesn’t want to leave. It’s fans that are creating this narrative because they don’t like JB, for one reason or another.

Definitely not much “evidence”. I think the chip on Brown’s shoulder is fairly evident in his comments and interviews with some regularity. But obv he doesn’t come right out and say it.

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Please, cite these comments

I think in the past he's made comments about not feeling embraced, and on social media he's liked comments talking about how Boston fans don't appreciate him enough.  And, anecdotally, he hasn't been a "rah rah" guy about the fans and city in general. 

That's why I liked this in a recent interview:

“My friends, they come in town, they talk about Boston. I mean, Boston is this and that and I find myself defending,” explained the Georgia native. “As I got integrated into the community, I met a lot of people who live in Boston who do a lot of great things.”

I beginning to think that he won't re-sign with the C's.  I think he'll head to ATL so what's the package we can get back for him in a S&T?  Of course, Danny is in Utah with a plethora of picks, maybe a Markkanen and two firsts....   

[Roy H.]

TP Todd_days. That's an excellent point made.
If Brown would accept his role as a secondary option and embrace his defensive qualities he would be much more valuable to the team.

Is there any evidence that he is not accepting this? I hear this brought up a lot but I’m finding it hard to find any evidence supporting this narrative.

Yeah, I also think this is made up.

In addition, Jaylen has t requested a trade because he doesn’t want to leave. It’s fans that are creating this narrative because they don’t like JB, for one reason or another.

Definitely not much “evidence”. I think the chip on Brown’s shoulder is fairly evident in his comments and interviews with some regularity. But obv he doesn’t come right out and say it.

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Please, cite these comments

I think in the past he's made comments about not feeling embraced, and on social media he's liked comments talking about how Boston fans don't appreciate him enough.  And, anecdotally, he hasn't been a "rah rah" guy about the fans and city in general. 

That's why I liked this in a recent interview:

“My friends, they come in town, they talk about Boston. I mean, Boston is this and that and I find myself defending,” explained the Georgia native. “As I got integrated into the community, I met a lot of people who live in Boston who do a lot of great things.”

I beginning to think that he won't re-sign with the C's.  I think he'll head to ATL so what's the package we can get back for him in a S&T?  Of course, Danny is in Utah with a plethora of picks, maybe a Markkanen and two firsts....   

I'm hoping he gets healthy soon and makes All-NBA.  That would make us the heavy favorite to keep him here.

[todd_days_41]

TP Todd_days. That's an excellent point made.
If Brown would accept his role as a secondary option and embrace his defensive qualities he would be much more valuable to the team.

Is there any evidence that he is not accepting this? I hear this brought up a lot but I’m finding it hard to find any evidence supporting this narrative.

Yeah, I also think this is made up.

In addition, Jaylen has t requested a trade because he doesn’t want to leave. It’s fans that are creating this narrative because they don’t like JB, for one reason or another.

Definitely not much “evidence”. I think the chip on Brown’s shoulder is fairly evident in his comments and interviews with some regularity. But obv he doesn’t come right out and say it.

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Please, cite these comments

I think in the past he's made comments about not feeling embraced, and on social media he's liked comments talking about how Boston fans don't appreciate him enough.  And, anecdotally, he hasn't been a "rah rah" guy about the fans and city in general. 

That's why I liked this in a recent interview:

“My friends, they come in town, they talk about Boston. I mean, Boston is this and that and I find myself defending,” explained the Georgia native. “As I got integrated into the community, I met a lot of people who live in Boston who do a lot of great things.”

I beginning to think that he won't re-sign with the C's.  I think he'll head to ATL so what's the package we can get back for him in a S&T?  Of course, Danny is in Utah with a plethora of picks, maybe a Markkanen and two firsts....   

I'm hoping he gets healthy soon and makes All-NBA.  That would make us the heavy favorite to keep him here.

He need only make ANY all-NBA team to be eligable for Super Max Ext, correct?