Deadline hindsight: What would you do differently?

[footey]

I would have loved to get Mcdaniels from Charlotte. Could we have gotten him for PP?

Me too. Thought he’d be great back up to Tatum.

[radiohead]

Not a win now move, but what about Wiseman? Considering what GS got for him, should Brad have explored that idea?

[slamtheking]

I'm good with the Muscala trade.  I'm hoping there's was some non-tampering chatter with Barton that should he be released, he signs with the C's.  picking up those 2 would be huge

[Roy H.]

Not a win now move, but what about Wiseman? Considering what GS got for him, should Brad have explored that idea?

It's an interesting idea.  The player in that trade I would have liked was Saddiq Bey.  But, since we don't have five second rounders (or whatever the price was) you figure it would have cost us at least a lotto-protected #1.  I'm imagining that Brad didn't want to compromise a future asset.  But, I think that if we could have done that deal, I would have.

But, I don't have any angst about this deadline.  The Celtics got better, both this year and next, and only gave up a couple of seconds.

[Moranis]

Yeah missing out on Wiseman was the little move I would have made.  He didn't cost much, it would have been nice to get him. 

[Vermont Green]

Not a win now move, but what about Wiseman? Considering what GS got for him, should Brad have explored that idea?

It's an interesting idea.  The player in that trade I would have liked was Saddiq Bey.  But, since we don't have five second rounders (or whatever the price was) you figure it would have cost us at least a lotto-protected #1.  I'm imagining that Brad didn't want to compromise a future asset.  But, I think that if we could have done that deal, I would have.

But, I don't have any angst about this deadline.  The Celtics got better, but this year and next, and only gave up a couple of seconds.

I would have been happy to sell off one of our firsts for Wiseman but we couldn't have absorbed his salary ($9.3M) the way DET was able to.  So the matching salary probably would have needed to be Gallinari and Pritchard.  Not sure we could have made that work with GSW.

I said elsewhere, I think DET made a very savvy move here.  Bey is a nice enough player but not nearly the ceiling of Wiseman.  DET will find plenty of other players to replace Bey in the upcoming drafts but probably not another Wiseman.

If we could have somehow gotten Bey out of it, that would have been great.  I would trade Pritchard and a second for him.  He is a nice pick up for ATL.

Probably GSW got the least out of this trade.  Gary Payton will help them some but I feel the tax forced their hand some.  I don't think they trade Wiseman for Payton if it didn't also save them money.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Yeah missing out on Wiseman was the little move I would have made.  He didn't cost much, it would have been nice to get him.

I agree on this, but I also don't think there was any way we would be able to get him. I think the Warriors would not trade him to us, and that they wanted to trade him to a team that would give him a lot of playing time.

[todd_days_41]

Yeah missing out on Wiseman was the little move I would have made.  He didn't cost much, it would have been nice to get him.

Not totally obvious what deal we could / would have offered though. The primary domino to fall in that deal was Saddiq Bey.... we really don't have that sort of player to offer. Closest comparison would be GW, and I don't think Brad would have swapped them.

[Moranis]

Not a win now move, but what about Wiseman? Considering what GS got for him, should Brad have explored that idea?

It's an interesting idea.  The player in that trade I would have liked was Saddiq Bey.  But, since we don't have five second rounders (or whatever the price was) you figure it would have cost us at least a lotto-protected #1.  I'm imagining that Brad didn't want to compromise a future asset.  But, I think that if we could have done that deal, I would have.

But, I don't have any angst about this deadline.  The Celtics got better, but this year and next, and only gave up a couple of seconds.

I would have been happy to sell off one of our firsts for Wiseman but we couldn't have absorbed his salary ($9.3M) the way DET was able to.  So the matching salary probably would have needed to be Gallinari and Pritchard.  Not sure we could have made that work with GSW.

I said elsewhere, I think DET made a very savvy move here.  Bey is a nice enough player but not nearly the ceiling of Wiseman.  DET will find plenty of other players to replace Bey in the upcoming drafts but probably not another Wiseman.

If we could have somehow gotten Bey out of it, that would have been great.  I would trade Pritchard and a second for him.  He is a nice pick up for ATL.

Probably GSW got the least out of this trade.  Gary Payton will help them some but I feel the tax forced their hand some.  I don't think they trade Wiseman for Payton if it didn't also save them money.

I think Boston could have done something like this

Boston - Wiseman
Golden State - 25 1st (lotto)
San Antonio - Jackson, Griffin, Kornet, Pritchard, cash, HOU 2nd

Any team with the cap space would have worked for the San Antonio part and we still could have fit Muscala into the TPE and made that trade

So post trade

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Rob, Horford
Bench - White, Brogdon, Hauser, Grant, Muscala, Wiseman
2W - Kabengele, Davison
Injury - Gallinari

Top 11 is solid (top 12 with Gallo), add a buy out guy or two and go from there.

[Vermont Green]

Not a win now move, but what about Wiseman? Considering what GS got for him, should Brad have explored that idea?

It's an interesting idea.  The player in that trade I would have liked was Saddiq Bey.  But, since we don't have five second rounders (or whatever the price was) you figure it would have cost us at least a lotto-protected #1.  I'm imagining that Brad didn't want to compromise a future asset.  But, I think that if we could have done that deal, I would have.

But, I don't have any angst about this deadline.  The Celtics got better, but this year and next, and only gave up a couple of seconds.

I would have been happy to sell off one of our firsts for Wiseman but we couldn't have absorbed his salary ($9.3M) the way DET was able to.  So the matching salary probably would have needed to be Gallinari and Pritchard.  Not sure we could have made that work with GSW.

I said elsewhere, I think DET made a very savvy move here.  Bey is a nice enough player but not nearly the ceiling of Wiseman.  DET will find plenty of other players to replace Bey in the upcoming drafts but probably not another Wiseman.

If we could have somehow gotten Bey out of it, that would have been great.  I would trade Pritchard and a second for him.  He is a nice pick up for ATL.

Probably GSW got the least out of this trade.  Gary Payton will help them some but I feel the tax forced their hand some.  I don't think they trade Wiseman for Payton if it didn't also save them money.

I think Boston could have done something like this

Boston - Wiseman
Golden State - 25 1st (lotto)
San Antonio - Jackson, Griffin, Kornet, Pritchard, cash, HOU 2nd

Any team with the cap space would have worked for the San Antonio part and we still could have fit Muscala into the TPE and made that trade

So post trade

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Rob, Horford
Bench - White, Brogdon, Hauser, Grant, Muscala, Wiseman
2W - Kabengele, Davison
Injury - Gallinari

Top 11 is solid (top 12 with Gallo), add a buy out guy or two and go from there.

Not sure I follow.  So we give up:

Griffin, Kornet, Pritchard, Jackson, a first and a second?

...to get Wiseman?  I think this proves that it just wasn't going to work for us.  DET is just in an entirely different situation and they were able to take advantage of it to get Wiseman.  Good for them.  It just wasn't going to work for us.

[Moranis]

Not a win now move, but what about Wiseman? Considering what GS got for him, should Brad have explored that idea?

It's an interesting idea.  The player in that trade I would have liked was Saddiq Bey.  But, since we don't have five second rounders (or whatever the price was) you figure it would have cost us at least a lotto-protected #1.  I'm imagining that Brad didn't want to compromise a future asset.  But, I think that if we could have done that deal, I would have.

But, I don't have any angst about this deadline.  The Celtics got better, but this year and next, and only gave up a couple of seconds.

I would have been happy to sell off one of our firsts for Wiseman but we couldn't have absorbed his salary ($9.3M) the way DET was able to.  So the matching salary probably would have needed to be Gallinari and Pritchard.  Not sure we could have made that work with GSW.

I said elsewhere, I think DET made a very savvy move here.  Bey is a nice enough player but not nearly the ceiling of Wiseman.  DET will find plenty of other players to replace Bey in the upcoming drafts but probably not another Wiseman.

If we could have somehow gotten Bey out of it, that would have been great.  I would trade Pritchard and a second for him.  He is a nice pick up for ATL.

Probably GSW got the least out of this trade.  Gary Payton will help them some but I feel the tax forced their hand some.  I don't think they trade Wiseman for Payton if it didn't also save them money.

I think Boston could have done something like this

Boston - Wiseman
Golden State - 25 1st (lotto)
San Antonio - Jackson, Griffin, Kornet, Pritchard, cash, HOU 2nd

Any team with the cap space would have worked for the San Antonio part and we still could have fit Muscala into the TPE and made that trade

So post trade

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Rob, Horford
Bench - White, Brogdon, Hauser, Grant, Muscala, Wiseman
2W - Kabengele, Davison
Injury - Gallinari

Top 11 is solid (top 12 with Gallo), add a buy out guy or two and go from there.

Not sure I follow.  So we give up:

Griffin, Kornet, Pritchard, Jackson, a first and a second?

...to get Wiseman?  I think this proves that it just wasn't going to work for us.  DET is just in an entirely different situation and they were able to take advantage of it to get Wiseman.  Good for them.  It just wasn't going to work for us.

Yeah a bunch of players that aren't going to play, a 1st and a 2nd for an uber talented still very young big man.  That works just fine for me.

[radiohead]

Not a win now move, but what about Wiseman? Considering what GS got for him, should Brad have explored that idea?

It's an interesting idea.  The player in that trade I would have liked was Saddiq Bey.  But, since we don't have five second rounders (or whatever the price was) you figure it would have cost us at least a lotto-protected #1.  I'm imagining that Brad didn't want to compromise a future asset.  But, I think that if we could have done that deal, I would have.

But, I don't have any angst about this deadline.  The Celtics got better, but this year and next, and only gave up a couple of seconds.

I would have been happy to sell off one of our firsts for Wiseman but we couldn't have absorbed his salary ($9.3M) the way DET was able to.  So the matching salary probably would have needed to be Gallinari and Pritchard.  Not sure we could have made that work with GSW.

I said elsewhere, I think DET made a very savvy move here.  Bey is a nice enough player but not nearly the ceiling of Wiseman.  DET will find plenty of other players to replace Bey in the upcoming drafts but probably not another Wiseman.

If we could have somehow gotten Bey out of it, that would have been great.  I would trade Pritchard and a second for him.  He is a nice pick up for ATL.

Probably GSW got the least out of this trade.  Gary Payton will help them some but I feel the tax forced their hand some.  I don't think they trade Wiseman for Payton if it didn't also save them money.

I think Boston could have done something like this

Boston - Wiseman
Golden State - 25 1st (lotto)
San Antonio - Jackson, Griffin, Kornet, Pritchard, cash, HOU 2nd

Any team with the cap space would have worked for the San Antonio part and we still could have fit Muscala into the TPE and made that trade

So post trade

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Rob, Horford
Bench - White, Brogdon, Hauser, Grant, Muscala, Wiseman
2W - Kabengele, Davison
Injury - Gallinari

Top 11 is solid (top 12 with Gallo), add a buy out guy or two and go from there.

Not sure I follow.  So we give up:

Griffin, Kornet, Pritchard, Jackson, a first and a second?

...to get Wiseman?  I think this proves that it just wasn't going to work for us.  DET is just in an entirely different situation and they were able to take advantage of it to get Wiseman.  Good for them.  It just wasn't going to work for us.

Yeah a bunch of players that aren't going to play, a 1st and a 2nd for an uber talented still very young big man.  That works just fine for me.

At this point, I wouldn’t consider Wiseman as an uber talented young big man. He’s a reclamation project. I wouldn’t give up 3 guys who have contributed when called upon this season for a reclamation project. Maybe in the off season if at all.

[Who]

Not interested in Wiseman. GSW couldn't develop him in a similar situation as us. No confidence we would do any better here.

Wiseman is better off on a bad team where he can get consistent playing time and see if that different type of situation will help him grow or not.

[bdm860]

While I'm intrigued by Wiseman, I don't think it would be wise to get him.

Sure in theory, a top prospect a few years ago, who has had a lot of set backs, but has a huge upside, is inexpensive to obtain, fills a position of need now (backup C), and can be Horford's replacement in the future, with a timeline that aligns with Tatum's and Brown's prime, seems like a no-brainer move.

But if he can't find time on the Warriors, a team also competing for a championship now like the C's and who doesn't have anybody over 6'9" on the team, and he still can't get minutes, I don't know how he'd get any time here.

Then there's his salary.  It's not my money, but $10m in salary for a project is a lot. especially when you add in the luxury tax hit.  People have been speculating that the team can afford Grant next year because of the bargain contracts for Rob and Al.  While Wiseman certainly has a higher ceiling than Grant, the Warriors just chose an 8th man over him.

He'd have the same problems here as he was having on the Warriors.  Wouldn't help the team win now so wouldn't get the minutes to help his development, and costs the team too much (from a salary/tax perspective).

[Goldstar88]

While I'm intrigued by Wiseman, I don't think it would be wise to get him.

Sure in theory, a top prospect a few years ago, who has had a lot of set backs, but has a huge upside, is inexpensive to obtain, fills a position of need now (backup C), and can be Horford's replacement in the future, with a timeline that aligns with Tatum's and Brown's prime, seems like a no-brainer move.

But if he can't find time on the Warriors, a team also competing for a championship now like the C's and who doesn't have anybody over 6'9" on the team, and he still can't get minutes, I don't know how he'd get any time here.

Then there's his salary.  It's not my money, but $10m in salary for a project is a lot. especially when you add in the luxury tax hit.  People have been speculating that the team can afford Grant next year because of the bargain contracts for Rob and Al.  While Wiseman certainly has a higher ceiling than Grant, the Warriors just chose an 8th man over him.

He'd have the same problems here as he was having on the Warriors.  Wouldn't help the team win now so wouldn't get the minutes to help his development, and costs the team too much (from a salary/tax perspective).

I see what you did there…. Very nice. 

Have zero interest in Wiseman. He has no motor.