Bigs Minute crunch if we trade for Poeltl

[KG Living Legend]

 Or if we traded for Myles Turner, but I'll use Poeltl as an example for minutes played.

Poeltl 26 Mpg this year
Horford  30 mpg this year
Timelord 21 mpg this year

 So the bigs position has 96 mpg of available playing time.  Theoretically Horford could play 15 mpg with each Center. 

 The remainder of the minutes with Poeltl and Rob could see combinations of Poeltl/Tatum
Poeltl/Grant Timelord/ Tatum  Timelord/Grant

 Even with Poeltls lack of shooting don't you think coach could make it work.

[Csfan1984]

Neither of the team's in rotation center bigs can play back to backs. They also require rest days randomly. The team needs a legit center backup unfortunately. Kornet is hit or miss out there. Same with Blake. Use any combo on bench players it takes to get a 6'9 or bigger player in here to help at the 4 / 5.

[KG Living Legend]

Neither of the team's in rotation center bigs can play back to backs. They also require rest days randomly. The team needs a legit center backup unfortunately. Kornet is hit or miss out there. Same with Blake. Use any combo on bench players it takes to get a 6'9 or bigger player in here to help at the 4 / 5.

 Okay so correct me if I'm wrong.  Your all in on Poeltl or Turner or the like?

[Vermont Green]

 Or if we traded for Myles Turner, but I'll use Poeltl as an example for minutes played.

Poeltl 26 Mpg this year
Horford  30 mpg this year
Timelord 21 mpg this year

 So the bigs position has 96 mpg of available playing time.  Theoretically Horford could play 15 mpg with each Center. 

 The remainder of the minutes with Poeltl and Rob could see combinations of Poeltl/Tatum
Poeltl/Grant Timelord/ Tatum  Timelord/Grant

 Even with Poeltls lack of shooting don't you think coach could make it work.

I think we could make it work fine with Poeltl.  Our starters would be Horford (PF) and RWilliams (C) with Grant (PF) and Poeltl (C) as the back ups.  This in of itself does not present any problem and would give us more depth and flexibility.  It would be similar with Turner.

The problem is what you would have to give up to get Poeltl and then the money you have to pay him to keep him.  Also, since we have RWill (even with his durability issues), we don't need another center type as much as we need more of a PF type; more of a replacement for Horford.  I like Poeltl but he is not quite the right fit in my mind, at least to give up assets and pay big money.

And he is a 53% career FT% shooter.  That can become a big issue if he is on the floor at the end of close playoff games.

[Roy H.]

I don't think that Poeltl is coming, because I doubt the Celtics want to pay $20 million for a backup big.  But, he's a very, very good player.  Any competent coach should be able to build a rotation around Timelord, Horford, Poeltl, and Grant (who can also slide to backup wing competently).

[CFAN38]

I'm not buying the Poeltl talks unless the Cs are not committed to Rob as the long term 5. Maybe we see a Poeltl trade (and long term contract) and Rob is moved in the off-season but I really doubt it.

To me the two more likely scenarios are

The Cs use one of their TPE and lesser assets (2nd rd picks maybe Yam?) to acquire a stop gap big who can come off the bench and eat minutes when AL or Rob miss time. EX A Drummond from the Bulls, W Hernangomez from Pelicans, M Muscala from Thunder, T Lyles from Kings, R Lopez from Cavs

The Cs make a real asset costing trade (move Pritchard, future picks and probably Galo) for a 4/5 type big to be the eventual replacement for AL in the rotation. This player will have to have enough perimeter skill to play along side Rob. I would assume that the traded for play Rob and Grant will form the 3 man 4/5 rotation of the future for the Cs. EX Naz Reid from Minn, KO from Jazz, Zach Collins from Spurs , Tillman from Memphis.

 

[Csfan1984]

Neither of the team's in rotation center bigs can play back to backs. They also require rest days randomly. The team needs a legit center backup unfortunately. Kornet is hit or miss out there. Same with Blake. Use any combo on bench players it takes to get a 6'9 or bigger player in here to help at the 4 / 5.

 Okay so correct me if I'm wrong.  Your all in on Poeltl or Turner or the like?

I'd do something minor for those level players. Wouldn't give up too much. I wish AL and TL were more dependable.

[Celtics4ever]

I don't he is coming either, his skill set does not match our offense. 

 However, there wouldn't be a crunch.   Both Al and Rob needs rest due to age and health respectively.    You play who is better between Luke and Jacob and let the other one rot on the bench for when needed.   No one is entitled to minutes they must be earned.   Backup jobs are to be ready when called this isn't biddy ball where everyone gets to play, we are trying to win games not make players feel good. 

[aefgogreen]

I'm not buying the Poeltl talks unless the Cs are not committed to Rob as the long term 5. Maybe we see a Poeltl trade (and long term contract) and Rob is moved in the off-season but I really doubt it.

To me the two more likely scenarios are

The Cs use one of their TPE and lesser assets (2nd rd picks maybe Yam?) to acquire a stop gap big who can come off the bench and eat minutes when AL or Rob miss time. EX A Drummond from the Bulls, W Hernangomez from Pelicans, M Muscala from Thunder, T Lyles from Kings, R Lopez from Cavs

The Cs make a real asset costing trade (move Pritchard, future picks and probably Galo) for a 4/5 type big to be the eventual replacement for AL in the rotation. This player will have to have enough perimeter skill to play along side Rob. I would assume that the traded for play Rob and Grant will form the 3 man 4/5 rotation of the future for the Cs. EX Naz Reid from Minn, KO from Jazz, Zach Collins from Spurs , Tillman from Memphis.

I think they're committed to Rob.  The issue is he's not dependable in terms of health.  I'm not sure what we'd have to trade for Poetl.

[Goldstar88]

Poeltl is a serviceable starting center and the Spurs are looking for compensation that’s in line with that. I think it’s highly unlikely that a team gives up 2 first round picks, which was reportedly what they wanted. They might get 1, though. That’s too much for the Celtics to give up considering he’d just be a rental for this year. Unless you’re moving Rob they won’t be able to afford to keep him.

[Roy H.]

Poeltl is a serviceable starting center and the Spurs are looking for compensation that’s in line with that. I think it’s highly unlikely that a team gives up 2 first round picks, which was reportedly what they wanted. They might get 1, though. That’s too much for the Celtics to give up considering he’d just be a rental for this year. Unless you’re moving Rob they won’t be able to afford to keep him.

How do you define serviceable?  I'd rate him as above-average, just outside of the top-10.

[CFAN38]

Poeltl is a serviceable starting center and the Spurs are looking for compensation that’s in line with that. I think it’s highly unlikely that a team gives up 2 first round picks, which was reportedly what they wanted. They might get 1, though. That’s too much for the Celtics to give up considering he’d just be a rental for this year. Unless you’re moving Rob they won’t be able to afford to keep him.

one thing that I think gets lost among alot of trade talks is the different likely values of outgoing firsts. If a good team trades to firsts they are likely 25-30 range.

[Goldstar88]

Poeltl is a serviceable starting center and the Spurs are looking for compensation that’s in line with that. I think it’s highly unlikely that a team gives up 2 first round picks, which was reportedly what they wanted. They might get 1, though. That’s too much for the Celtics to give up considering he’d just be a rental for this year. Unless you’re moving Rob they won’t be able to afford to keep him.

How do you define serviceable?  I'd rate him as above-average, just outside of the top-10.

Looking at the starting centers on teams around the league, I think he’d be an upgrade on only a few. These are the players I have ahead of him.

Jokic
Embid
Gobert
Sabonis
Ayton
R. Williams
Valencunas
Vucevic
Nurkic
Turner
Claxton
Capela
Allen
Lopez
Sengun
Adams
Carter Jr

Then have young players like Mitchell Robinson, Jalen Duren, and Walker Kessler that will probably be better than Poeltl within a year or two. Thomas Bryant is having a very good year and is still only 25, as is Zubac. Jacob is going to be 28 this year, he’s a decent player, but I wouldn’t want him as a starter.

[Roy H.]

Poeltl is a serviceable starting center and the Spurs are looking for compensation that’s in line with that. I think it’s highly unlikely that a team gives up 2 first round picks, which was reportedly what they wanted. They might get 1, though. That’s too much for the Celtics to give up considering he’d just be a rental for this year. Unless you’re moving Rob they won’t be able to afford to keep him.

How do you define serviceable?  I'd rate him as above-average, just outside of the top-10.

Looking at the starting centers on teams around the league, I think he’d be an upgrade on only a few. These are the players I have ahead of him.

Jokic
Embid
Gobert
Sabonis
Ayton
R. Williams
Valencunas
Vucevic
Nurkic
Turner
Claxton
Capela
Allen
Lopez
Sengun
Adams
Carter Jr

Then have young players like Mitchell Robinson, Jalen Duren, and Walker Kessler that will probably be better than Poetl within a year or two. Thomas Bryant is having a very good year and is still only 25, as is Zubac. Jacob is going to be 28 this year, he’s a decent player, but I wouldn’t want him as a starter.

Yeah, you definitely have him underrated.  Numbers I cited last week:

Despite only playing 26 minutes per night (20th), among centers he's 14th in scoring, 13th in rebounding, 8th in assists, 8th in steals, 12th in blocks, 13th in FTA, and 4th in FG%.

He's also excellent defensively. 

[Csfan1984]

I kind of rank him close to Goldstar88's as well.