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C’s Need To Prioritize Resting Tatum Now
« on: January 19, 2023, 11:06:53 PM »

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Tatum played 48 minutes tonight and he basically played the final 41 minutes of the entire game (including OT).

Obviously it’s nice to see him playing heavy minutes and having an MVP-level impact, BUT we do need to think about the long haul

It’s a marathon, not a sprint.

They should let Tatum sit out the next game. And sprinkle in some rest over the coming few weeks as well.

The last thing we need is a repeat of last year’s playoffs where some of the heavy minutes and long playoff series seemed to fatigue some of our guys (including Tatum) both mentally and physically by the time we got to the Finals 
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Re: C’s Need To Prioritize Resting Tatum Now
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2023, 11:19:43 PM »

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There is no reason for a healthy player to not play in games.  Now sure, if the bench was better and he could play 35 minutes instead of 40 minutes, that would be better long term, but if the guy is healthy he should play.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2023, 11:48:55 PM »

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This game was psychologically important for the team. Given that, I’m fine with it as long as Mazzula keeps his minutes reasonable the rest of the way.

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2023, 12:08:48 AM »

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He's 24, a game with big minutes every now and then isn't going to kill him.

However they do need to avoid riding him too much like last season.  This is why I harp on them beating teams like Orl. The wins stacked now will allow for more needed rest in March. Putting these garbage teams away early also allows for lower minutes. These guys control the workload they have.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2023, 12:46:00 AM »

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There is no reason for a healthy player to not play in games.  Now sure, if the bench was better and he could play 35 minutes instead of 40 minutes, that would be better long term, but if the guy is healthy he should play.

Normally I would take the same stance, but after seeing him in the Finals last season, I think he needs some rest days at some point.

I know he had a proper offseason this time (which he didn’t last season), but some games off in the second half can pay dividends for a deep playoff run.

He’s asked to do so much on both ends of the floor, it’s exhausting.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2023, 08:56:40 AM »

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There is no reason for a healthy player to not play in games.  Now sure, if the bench was better and he could play 35 minutes instead of 40 minutes, that would be better long term, but if the guy is healthy he should play.

Normally I would take the same stance, but after seeing him in the Finals last season, I think he needs some rest days at some point.

I know he had a proper offseason this time (which he didn’t last season), but some games off in the second half can pay dividends for a deep playoff run.

He’s asked to do so much on both ends of the floor, it’s exhausting.
Tatum was banged up and the Warriors are not a great match-up for him as they have several long quality defenders.  We saw that last night.  I don't think the Finals performance had anything to do with him wearing down (other than the injury).  If a guy is healthy he needs to play. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2023, 09:08:02 AM »

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I'll have to agree here, I think we are deep enough where we can rest tatum for weaker matchups and still win. I also think we have started to create enough separation in the East where we can afford to lose a few games.

I have to wonder if the MVP race is motivating him to take no days off though?

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I think that there's room for scheduled rest.

Right now, if our goal is first in the East, we've built a pretty comfortable lead.  It's going to be close to impossible for Milwaukee, Philly or Brooklyn to catch us unless we really fall into a nosedive.  That being the case, why not rest our guys when we can?  It potentially gives Hauser, Pritchard, or any guys we sign to get a chance to work themselves back into the rotation.


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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2023, 09:12:02 AM »

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I expect there to be a little more rest after the All-Star break, but is playing 2-3 fewer minutes in January really going to keep him that much fresher in June?  The Celtics are looking primed to runaway and hide in the East — there will be time to get him fresh for the postseason.

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I expect there to be a little more rest after the All-Star break, but is playing 2-3 fewer minutes in January really going to keep him that much fresher in June?  The Celtics are looking primed to runaway and hide in the East — there will be time to get him fresh for the postseason.

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2023, 09:27:16 AM »

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I think that there's room for scheduled rest.

Right now, if our goal is first in the East, we've built a pretty comfortable lead.  It's going to be close to impossible for Milwaukee, Philly or Brooklyn to catch us unless we really fall into a nosedive.  That being the case, why not rest our guys when we can?  It potentially gives Hauser, Pritchard, or any guys we sign to get a chance to work themselves back into the rotation.
2 weeks ago, Brooklyn was 0.5 games back and Milwaukee was 1 game back.  Boston doesn't have this giant lead that can't be caught especially given how well Philly has played the last few weeks and their upcoming schedule vs. our upcoming schedule.  They could easily pick up a couple of games before the matchup on February 8th. 

If Tatum is banged up some, then sure give him a day off here and there, but if he is healthy, he needs to play, just like everyone should.  I don't think the resting concept holds much historical merit with respect to winning championships, if anything as we've seen from the Clippers it often has more negative consequences than positive ones.  If you are healthy, you should play.  That is what you are paid to do.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2023, 09:33:17 AM »

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I expect there to be a little more rest after the All-Star break, but is playing 2-3 fewer minutes in January really going to keep him that much fresher in June?  The Celtics are looking primed to runaway and hide in the East — there will be time to get him fresh for the postseason.

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Yeah, it is a tough call.  If he is banged up at all along the way, we should not hesitate to rest him to get him right.  But I am not sure you can rest him just to rest him.  If he is healthy, he is going to play and play normal minutes.  If you can take him out of a blow out, take him out.

In terms of last season's finals, I think Tatum was more mentally or emotionally drained than physically drained.  Not sure what you can do to address that.  Tatum will learn how to deal with it better each time he goes through it.  GSW had a bunch of players with finals experience.  We didn't.  It showed.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2023, 09:44:30 AM »

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I think that there's room for scheduled rest.

Right now, if our goal is first in the East, we've built a pretty comfortable lead.  It's going to be close to impossible for Milwaukee, Philly or Brooklyn to catch us unless we really fall into a nosedive.  That being the case, why not rest our guys when we can?  It potentially gives Hauser, Pritchard, or any guys we sign to get a chance to work themselves back into the rotation.
2 weeks ago, Brooklyn was 0.5 games back and Milwaukee was 1 game back.  Boston doesn't have this giant lead that can't be caught especially given how well Philly has played the last few weeks and their upcoming schedule vs. our upcoming schedule.  They could easily pick up a couple of games before the matchup on February 8th. 

If Tatum is banged up some, then sure give him a day off here and there, but if he is healthy, he needs to play, just like everyone should.  I don't think the resting concept holds much historical merit with respect to winning championships, if anything as we've seen from the Clippers it often has more negative consequences than positive ones.  If you are healthy, you should play.  That is what you are paid to do.

Haven't you advocated "load management" and rest for guys like Lebron in the past? 

Yes, teams can still catch up, but the chances aren't great.  We've got 36 games left.  If we play at, say, a .600 winning percentage, we'd finish at 56-26.  To match that, Milwaukee and/or Philly would have to play significantly better than they have to date, going at least 27-10 to catch us.  Is that doable?  Sure, but it's not likely.  And it's also not likely that we go from winning 74% of our games to only 60% of them.

The team has survived giving Horford and Timelord extra rest.  We just rested Jaylen more than we probably needed to.  There's no reason we can't do that with Tatum.  (For whatever it's worth, how do you define "banged up"?  Because, Tatum has mentioned several times that he's playing through injuries, and his fingers are still taped.)


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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2023, 09:46:35 AM »

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I'd be more concerned if he was averaging 40+ mpg over our last 10 or 20 games. Playing heavy minutes in an OT game at home against the team who beat us in the finals that appear to have our #? That's fine with me.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2023, 10:12:06 AM »

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I think that there's room for scheduled rest.

Right now, if our goal is first in the East, we've built a pretty comfortable lead.  It's going to be close to impossible for Milwaukee, Philly or Brooklyn to catch us unless we really fall into a nosedive.  That being the case, why not rest our guys when we can?  It potentially gives Hauser, Pritchard, or any guys we sign to get a chance to work themselves back into the rotation.
2 weeks ago, Brooklyn was 0.5 games back and Milwaukee was 1 game back.  Boston doesn't have this giant lead that can't be caught especially given how well Philly has played the last few weeks and their upcoming schedule vs. our upcoming schedule.  They could easily pick up a couple of games before the matchup on February 8th. 

If Tatum is banged up some, then sure give him a day off here and there, but if he is healthy, he needs to play, just like everyone should.  I don't think the resting concept holds much historical merit with respect to winning championships, if anything as we've seen from the Clippers it often has more negative consequences than positive ones.  If you are healthy, you should play.  That is what you are paid to do.

Haven't you advocated "load management" and rest for guys like Lebron in the past? 

Yes, teams can still catch up, but the chances aren't great.  We've got 36 games left.  If we play at, say, a .600 winning percentage, we'd finish at 56-26.  To match that, Milwaukee and/or Philly would have to play significantly better than they have to date, going at least 27-10 to catch us.  Is that doable?  Sure, but it's not likely.  And it's also not likely that we go from winning 74% of our games to only 60% of them.

The team has survived giving Horford and Timelord extra rest.  We just rested Jaylen more than we probably needed to.  There's no reason we can't do that with Tatum.  (For whatever it's worth, how do you define "banged up"?  Because, Tatum has mentioned several times that he's playing through injuries, and his fingers are still taped.)
No, I've always said guys should play if they are healthy.  In fact, I've had the exact opposite discussion about Lebron stating that if he plays, he should play his normal minutes (unless the game is truly out of reach).  Load management creates more problems than it solves as it makes it difficult to truly ramp up and play big minutes without injury when you need to in the playoffs.  Now legitimate injuries are different.  And certain guys prone to injury probably need to rest more frequently, from the C's that would be someone like Rob Williams.  Perhaps Horford because of his age and injury history, but Tatum, Brown, Smart, White, Brogdon, Grant, etc. if they are healthy they should play.  Rest for the sake of rest just isn't a good strategy.  It doesn't create a winning environment. 

As for catching us, Philly has been playing awesome.  They were 12-12 at one point this season and have gone 17-4 since, which correlates almost exactly to when Harden came back from injury (and Embiid has missed only 3 games during that time).  The Sixers are firing on all cylinders.  If Boston gives games away because they are resting Tatum, the Sixers will catch the Celtics.  And I do think that matters because Milwaukee is almost certainly finishing 2nd or 3rd and I want to avoid Milwaukee as long as possible in the playoffs (good chance Miami is in the 6 or 7 slot as well, so you want to avoid them in the 1st round because it will be a physical series). 

And I do think resting Tatum is a recipe to give games away.  I think everyone knows by now what I think of Tatum.  He is the engine of the team.  He is the guy that drives wins and losses more than probably every other player on the team combined.  Tatum needs to play or Boston loses, and loses a lot (not every game, but a lot of them). 
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