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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #570 on: December 10, 2022, 11:20:40 PM »

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Safe to say we have enough evidence to conclude tatum is a frontrunner.  He has the talent to be what we thought he is, but he is not there yet.

Disagree a 24-year old that took us to the finals last year.

24 yo that has been to how many conference championships....

Age isn't an excuse anymore when a guy has that much playoff experience. He's good player, but he's not the guy.

This is a game in the middle of a long road trip before the holidays as the team has been clearly the best in the league and just thrashed the western conference leading team last game. I would not rush to judgment based on this.

So he's been so successful at 24 that there's no excuse for a bad game in the middle of a long road trip? Got it. We were never going to win them all.

No. He still looks as bad as he did in the finals vs this team. It’s a pattern.

What's our record against the warriors since Tatum has been here?

Lost more than they have won including the finals.

Considering how great the warriors were in the past compared to our teams, its not bad.

Weve seen dame situation vs the heat where he picked up two quick fouls in a playoff atmosphere.. its clearly mental no doubtbut its early and he has been improving every year its really unfair to label him a frontrunner. Remember, he almost carried us through the nets without JB. We were down 3-2 vs the bucks on the road and he had a huge game against giannis of all people. Frontrunners dont do that.

He had an awesome game five that bixks series. Where was he against the Heat? That series had no business going 7.

Look, he's the guy that's supposed to carry us. Championship teams have the guy they count on. Tatum isn't and hasn't done enough for us to say before the game to say "Tatum will get his, we hope the rest carry their weight"

I can understand getting jitters in the finals at the age of 23, but not in a reg season game during a season you're on a mission.

Tatum hurt his wrist in Game 3 if I recalled correctly, so that series got prolonged. Then again, I hate using injury as excuses lol


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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #571 on: December 10, 2022, 11:21:26 PM »

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At least now we know that GS are basically mailing in the regular season to this point. They wanted that game BADLY.


Yup…that was my biggest takeaway. They played incredibly well and incredibly hard with playoff intensity and it seemed to mean a lot to them. As the defending champs I’m sure all the talk about us has annoyed them.

Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #572 on: December 10, 2022, 11:21:52 PM »

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Safe to say we have enough evidence to conclude tatum is a frontrunner.  He has the talent to be what we thought he is, but he is not there yet.

Disagree a 24-year old that took us to the finals last year.
Players don't overreact to one regular season game. Fans on the other hand.....

This is a massive overreaction tonight... LOL

How many times do we have to see a big game or series and say "If tatum just showed up how he normally does"?

The Warriors are still.plain better and that isn't going to change barring injury.

We just going to ignore that the C’s are missing two starters?  ???

Pretty sure the warriors are missing a starter as well….it’s no excuse ?

Pretty sure the C’s not having Al or Rob is a bigger deal than GS missing Wiggins. Boston had no rim protection and they were out-rebounded 53-39. It’s not an excuse, these are facts.

Rob hasn’t played all year and the Celtics still have the best record in the league? Sure they miss Al but shouldn’t really effect whether they win or lose, you’re literally just making excuses

Golden State has lost two games all season at home. To think that Al and Rob wouldn’t have had an impact on this game is just laughable. There was no rim protection and the C’s got destroyed on the boards.
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #573 on: December 10, 2022, 11:22:11 PM »

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Safe to say we have enough evidence to conclude tatum is a frontrunner.  He has the talent to be what we thought he is, but he is not there yet.

Disagree a 24-year old that took us to the finals last year.

24 yo that has been to how many conference championships....

Age isn't an excuse anymore when a guy has that much playoff experience. He's good player, but he's not the guy.

This is a game in the middle of a long road trip before the holidays as the team has been clearly the best in the league and just thrashed the western conference leading team last game. I would not rush to judgment based on this.

So he's been so successful at 24 that there's no excuse for a bad game in the middle of a long road trip? Got it. We were never going to win them all.

No. He still looks as bad as he did in the finals vs this team. It’s a pattern.

What's our record against the warriors since Tatum has been here?

Lost more than they have won including the finals.

Considering how great the warriors were in the past compared to our teams, its not bad.

Weve seen dame situation vs the heat where he picked up two quick fouls in a playoff atmosphere.. its clearly mental no doubtbut its early and he has been improving every year its really unfair to label him a frontrunner. Remember, he almost carried us through the nets without JB. We were down 3-2 vs the bucks on the road and he had a huge game against giannis of all people. Frontrunners dont do that.

He had an awesome game five that bixks series. Where was he against the Heat? That series had no business going 7.

Look, he's the guy that's supposed to carry us. Championship teams have the guy they count on. Tatum isn't and hasn't done enough for us to say before the game to say "Tatum will get his, we hope the rest carry their weight"

I can understand getting jitters in the finals at the age of 23, but not in a reg season game during a season you're on a mission.

In not talking to you. You clearly have your mind made up so no sense talking to you.

Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #574 on: December 10, 2022, 11:24:41 PM »

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I guess a bit later on in the game I was able to take my fan hat off and look at the game a little more dispassionately, to see how our flaws were being exposed by Golden State. Obviously people brought up the drop coverage we had to play, and the Dubs are the type of team that can punish drop coverage with players like Steph, Klay and Poole. Poole was 1-9 but Curry and Klay were 10-22. It's one of those [dang]ed if you do, [dang]ed if you don't situations where if you don't play it and have Blake and Kornet defending up Steph and Co would treat them like turnstiles on their way to a layup at the rim, or if it forces help from one of the corner defenders they kick it out for a corner 3. because those guys don't have the lateral quickness to defend small guards. Joe tried to combat it by playing small but then you get outrebounded (51 to 39 with Looney getting 15) and posted up. It's one of those teams where the loss of Al really hurts us - against Phoenix it didn't because Phoenix shot 25% from 3. I thought maybe Joe could have gone to a zone or something, a different look to force GS to do something different to break it down.

That's more of a structural and schematic thing. The thing I'm more worried about, which rears its ugly head with our team whenever we don't shoot well, is that we allow missed shots to affect our defense. Advanced box scores for this game aren't available yet but I'm sure they hammered us in transition. During the game at least twice in a row Jaylen was caught ball watching in the backcourt while first Tatum missed an open 3 and then Smart missed an open 3. The ball was rebounded long by GS, one of their players was already halfway up the court and it was an easy layup. Not meaning to pick on him because other players were guilty of it too and Jaylen's offense kept us in the game for large parts but it was just typical of our transition defense as a whole.

We have to learn to not let missed shots affect our defense. Other then the first quarter where Tatum and Brown tried to do a bit too much hero ball I felt we actually moved the ball well to get good looks from the perimeter but we just missed the shots. By the end Tatum was missing bunnies at the rim. It happens right, but what can't happen is for the misses to be compounded by giving up easy shots at the other end.

Losses always suck, especially for a team that won it on our court last season, it would have been nice to get bragging rights. But they didn't play well and deserved to lose, and they have plenty of food for thought on where their gaps are. It's a long season and unlike Game 6 which a lot of people brought up earlier in the thread, we do have plenty of time to fix things. It's hard to identify flaws and fix things when you're beating teams by 30 all the time  :police:

As for the Dubs, they're 13-13 but looking at them tonight they clearly have the quality to be better than 9th in the West. I feel it's disinterest and lack of motivation more than anything that has them where they are, which must be frustrating for their fans. Because tonight they were up for it, they treated it like a playoff game. We came up short but it's a little premature to be slitting wrists  :laugh:
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #575 on: December 10, 2022, 11:26:04 PM »

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Safe to say we have enough evidence to conclude tatum is a frontrunner.  He has the talent to be what we thought he is, but he is not there yet.

Disagree a 24-year old that took us to the finals last year.
Players don't overreact to one regular season game. Fans on the other hand.....

This is a massive overreaction tonight... LOL

How many times do we have to see a big game or series and say "If tatum just showed up how he normally does"?

The Warriors are still.plain better and that isn't going to change barring injury.

We just going to ignore that the C’s are missing two starters?  ???

Pretty sure the warriors are missing a starter as well….it’s no excuse ?

Pretty sure the C’s not having Al or Rob is a bigger deal than GS missing Wiggins. Boston had no rim protection and they were out-rebounded 53-39. It’s not an excuse, these are facts.

Rob hasn’t played all year and the Celtics still have the best record in the league? Sure they miss Al but shouldn’t really effect whether they win or lose, you’re literally just making excuses

Golden State has lost two games all season at home. To think that Al and Rob wouldn’t have had an impact on this game is just laughable. There was no rim protection and the C’s got destroyed on the boards.

We lose this game with or without either of those players tonight.

Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #576 on: December 10, 2022, 11:28:03 PM »

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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #577 on: December 10, 2022, 11:37:35 PM »

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Personal opinion is that it's Draymond, not the on-ball defender, who bothers Tatum so much.  That's why it didn't matter much that Wiggins was out tonight.  Draymond's help defense is almost flawless, and he nearly always cuts off Tatum's first option as soon as he makes his move. 

Same way Tatum "shut down" Durant in the first round last season.  He definitely did his job spearheading the defense, not taking anything away from him, but to shake up an elite player it takes more than the first guy.  For us that might mean Smart, Al, Rob when he's healthy.  For GS it's mostly Draymond.

I noticed this too. Tatum was a little slow to react to it tonight
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #578 on: December 10, 2022, 11:52:28 PM »

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We had al during the finals. I'm not going to say "but if we had..."

Fact is, if our duo doesn't take control of the game, it won't matter who else in or is not playing.
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #579 on: December 11, 2022, 12:16:35 AM »

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C's got punched first and it took awhile to react, we coulda won had we hit our FTs......well, I just went online and bought 11th row tix for The Clippers game Monday...I'm not worried, we needed this.
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #580 on: December 11, 2022, 12:20:09 AM »

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C's got punched first and it took awhile to react, we coulda won had we hit our FTs......well, I just went online and bought 11th row tix for The Clippers game Monday...I'm not worried, we needed this.

Yep adversity and poor games happen throughout the season, what's important is how the team responds to it. So far, we've only had one two game losing streak, every other loss they have responded with a win and a better performance. That's what I'm interested in seeing on Monday, how they respond.
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #581 on: December 11, 2022, 12:46:54 AM »

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It's not just that this was a loss, or a simple case of "all teams have bad games," etc. It's that this was the fourth straight dud they've turned in against the Warriors. GS has struggled this season, but they didn't really struggle tonight; Klay has struggled this season, but he didn't struggle tonight; Tatum has had a great season, but he was far from great tonight. Seems like GS is in Boston's head.
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #582 on: December 11, 2022, 12:52:38 AM »

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At least now we know that GS are basically mailing in the regular season to this point. They wanted that game BADLY.

People are overrating the Warriors on here, and I don't buy this claim that they're just "coasting". There's a reason they have such a big disparity in home versus road wins. It's not just them coasting. They're an older team and they simply can't bring it every night like they used to. They'll still be dangerous in the playoffs, but they're also going to have a harder road because of this.

All that being said, they were definitely in our head tonight. Hopefully that's a one night thing and we blow them out when in Boston.
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Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #583 on: December 11, 2022, 03:35:05 AM »

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Safe to say we have enough evidence to conclude tatum is a frontrunner.  He has the talent to be what we thought he is, but he is not there yet.

Disagree a 24-year old that took us to the finals last year.
Players don't overreact to one regular season game. Fans on the other hand.....

This is a massive overreaction tonight... LOL

How many times do we have to see a big game or series and say "If tatum just showed up how he normally does"?

The Warriors are still.plain better and that isn't going to change barring injury.

We just going to ignore that the C’s are missing two starters?  ???

Pretty sure the warriors are missing a starter as well….it’s no excuse ?

Pretty sure the C’s not having Al or Rob is a bigger deal than GS missing Wiggins. Boston had no rim protection and they were out-rebounded 53-39. It’s not an excuse, these are facts.

Rob hasn’t played all year and the Celtics still have the best record in the league? Sure they miss Al but shouldn’t really effect whether they win or lose, you’re literally just making excuses

Golden State has lost two games all season at home. To think that Al and Rob wouldn’t have had an impact on this game is just laughable. There was no rim protection and the C’s got destroyed on the boards.

We lose this game with or without either of those players tonight.

With Al, maybe. I dont think we do with Rob though. We outscored the Warrios in the finals whenever Rob was in, as gimpy as he was. We also dont have to play drop with Rob. Rob changes the way we defend, its not just a matter of adding a good defender.

Re: Celtics (21-5) at Warriors (13-13) Game #27 12/10/22
« Reply #584 on: December 11, 2022, 06:15:10 AM »

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Waiting for the let’s blow up the team thread!!! It’s a loss and top to the hat to Warriors..move on to next game & start another winning streak
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