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Re: TIMELORD!
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2022, 04:19:49 PM »

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hmmmmm..... perhaps we need to change his name to part-time lord.  ;D
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Re: TIMELORD!
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2022, 04:57:27 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

The platelet replacement isn't necessarily unusual.

But, there's context here.  There was the original surgery, which we were told Rob would completely recover from within about 4 - 6 weeks.  Then, there were the multiple months of waiting, in which the media reported that Rob was on the road to recovery and should be fully healed.  Then, there was a report in late September that Rob would need additional surgery and would be out 8 weeks (so, around November 15 - December 15, roughly).  Now, we're hearing "second half of the season", which is open for interpretation.  If literal, it means January 11 or later.

His recovery time keeps being pushed back.  That's not fantastic.  The use of platelet therapy in and of itself could mean that the injury is slow to heal due to blood flow issues (and didn't Williams have some pre-draft circulatory concerns -- PAES?), or it could be nothing at all.
Conversely, since we have no idea what doctors were saying from the very beginning, a very, very plausible scenario is the doctors gave TL a couple options from the get go.

Option 1: Wait for the swelling to go down and go in for a full repairing and cleaning of the meniscus and take a slow approach on physical therapy missing the playoffs and setting up for a return fully healthy to start next year....or .....

Option #2: Go in immediately and do a quick cleanup and get you back to play in the playoffs knowing it won't be 100% right but if you can put up with the pain, you can play and then we see what happens from there. It's possible we could clean it all up and you can rest and recover over the summer and when you resume basketball activities we can re-assess. It's probable you will need a follow up surgery that could mean missing some of next season but we can give you some PRP treatments to quicken the recovery period. It's also possible, though less likely, you will be fine and ready to go without a follow up procedure.


And TL chose option #2.

Just because the reporting comes out sporadically doesn't mean that this wasn't foreseen and planned from the very first diagnosis.

I remember when I had back surgery. My doctor's laid out the plan including physical therapy but also made me aware that if things didn't go 100% there were several other options and procedures that could be done to minimize pain and correct the issue long term. But they wanted to try the least invasive method first.

This is very common. If doctor's laid things out like this for me, a regular guy, I imagine such things were planned like this for a professional athlete.

So, if Brad has known since July that Williams would miss at least half the season, then it’s extraordinarily irresponsible not to have signed a real center, agreed?

If this was expected, Brad really messed up not using the TPE.
Brad probably knew since Timelord hurt the knee and underwent the initial surgery that a 2nd surgery was a distinct possibility, so earlier than July.

I also have never argued that not using the TPE was a good idea, regardless of Timelord's injury. I stand by that even more so now that the organization said money was no object this year and that Timelord will miss significant time. The lack of use of the TPE was a mistake, even if Timelord and Gallo were 100% healthy right now.

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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2022, 05:08:26 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

The platelet replacement isn't necessarily unusual.

But, there's context here.  There was the original surgery, which we were told Rob would completely recover from within about 4 - 6 weeks.  Then, there were the multiple months of waiting, in which the media reported that Rob was on the road to recovery and should be fully healed.  Then, there was a report in late September that Rob would need additional surgery and would be out 8 weeks (so, around November 15 - December 15, roughly).  Now, we're hearing "second half of the season", which is open for interpretation.  If literal, it means January 11 or later.

His recovery time keeps being pushed back.  That's not fantastic.  The use of platelet therapy in and of itself could mean that the injury is slow to heal due to blood flow issues (and didn't Williams have some pre-draft circulatory concerns -- PAES?), or it could be nothing at all.
Conversely, since we have no idea what doctors were saying from the very beginning, a very, very plausible scenario is the doctors gave TL a couple options from the get go.

Option 1: Wait for the swelling to go down and go in for a full repairing and cleaning of the meniscus and take a slow approach on physical therapy missing the playoffs and setting up for a return fully healthy to start next year....or .....

Option #2: Go in immediately and do a quick cleanup and get you back to play in the playoffs knowing it won't be 100% right but if you can put up with the pain, you can play and then we see what happens from there. It's possible we could clean it all up and you can rest and recover over the summer and when you resume basketball activities we can re-assess. It's probable you will need a follow up surgery that could mean missing some of next season but we can give you some PRP treatments to quicken the recovery period. It's also possible, though less likely, you will be fine and ready to go without a follow up procedure.


And TL chose option #2.

Just because the reporting comes out sporadically doesn't mean that this wasn't foreseen and planned from the very first diagnosis.

I remember when I had back surgery. My doctor's laid out the plan including physical therapy but also made me aware that if things didn't go 100% there were several other options and procedures that could be done to minimize pain and correct the issue long term. But they wanted to try the least invasive method first.

This is very common. If doctor's laid things out like this for me, a regular guy, I imagine such things were planned like this for a professional athlete.

So, if Brad has known since July that Williams would miss at least half the season, then it’s extraordinarily irresponsible not to have signed a real center, agreed?

If this was expected, Brad really messed up not using the TPE.

Maybe Brad thinks they can win it all with small ball. If that's the case, I strongly disagree.
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2022, 05:12:11 PM »

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PRP injections are nothing to worry about.

After the procedure, you may experience some soreness and bruising at the injection site. Because PRP injections are made up of your own cells and plasma, the risk of an allergic reaction is much lower than with other injectable medications like corticosteroids. Less common risks of PRP injections include: Bleeding.

Platelet-Rich Plasma (PRP) Injections - Johns Hopkins Medicine


Missing 41+ games is, though.

I agree with that. Just seemed like people might think that a PRP injection is somehow a bad sign in terms of his recovery and something to worry about. I just hope the medical team is extra cautious with Rob this time around.
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Re: TIMELORD!
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2022, 12:02:23 PM »

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But Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens insisted Thursday that Williams is still following the eight-to-12-week timeline, as far as he's aware.

"No one's told me it's been moved back," Stevens said on 98.5 The Sports Hub's "Toucher & Rich."

An eight-to-12-week timeline post-surgery would peg Williams' return between Nov. 17 and Dec. 15, which seems early based on Charania's reporting. But it's possible there's some nuance here: The team said it expected Williams to return to basketball activities in eight-to-12 weeks, which doesn't necessarily mean game action.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-brad-stevens-clears-air-135500959.html


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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2022, 12:43:56 PM »

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But Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens insisted Thursday that Williams is still following the eight-to-12-week timeline, as far as he's aware.

"No one's told me it's been moved back," Stevens said on 98.5 The Sports Hub's "Toucher & Rich."

An eight-to-12-week timeline post-surgery would peg Williams' return between Nov. 17 and Dec. 15, which seems early based on Charania's reporting. But it's possible there's some nuance here: The team said it expected Williams to return to basketball activities in eight-to-12 weeks, which doesn't necessarily mean game action.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-brad-stevens-clears-air-135500959.html
Brad with the verbal sleight of hand

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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2022, 12:45:28 PM »

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Literally what I said earlier in the thread. For maybe the first time ever: Keith Smith for the W!

Re: TIMELORD!
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2022, 01:54:55 PM »

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Hopefully not a KG 2009 situation...
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Re: TIMELORD!
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2022, 02:37:18 PM »

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Stick a fork in this guy. Contract looking worse and worse now. He’s basically salary cap filler. The guy just can’t stay healthy.
His mistake was believing the Celtics doctors when they told him he'd be fine coming back so soon. A guy like him who relies on his legs so much should be looking out for his own interests, which means not necessarily trusting that the team is always right.

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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2022, 03:41:33 PM »

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But Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens insisted Thursday that Williams is still following the eight-to-12-week timeline, as far as he's aware.

"No one's told me it's been moved back," Stevens said on 98.5 The Sports Hub's "Toucher & Rich."

An eight-to-12-week timeline post-surgery would peg Williams' return between Nov. 17 and Dec. 15, which seems early based on Charania's reporting. But it's possible there's some nuance here: The team said it expected Williams to return to basketball activities in eight-to-12 weeks, which doesn't necessarily mean game action.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/celtics-brad-stevens-clears-air-135500959.html
Brad with the verbal sleight of hand

Having him miss all of December to shorten his season doesn’t seem like a terrible thing, because we plan to be playing in June.

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« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2022, 03:56:59 PM »

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Hopefully not a KG 2009 situation...

KG's Knee...

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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2022, 03:58:06 PM »

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Whenever I hear the words second half of the season that sounds like after All-Star break to me.  This is at least the third time in recent memory where team doctors have had a player play during the playoffs saying that it would not hurt them long-term and it has and it did. Reference Isaiah Thomas Kyrie Irving and now part-time Lord. I have no idea who the team doctors are or if they've changed team doctors over the years but whoever the hell it is they have no idea what they're talking about. I wouldn't doubt if the Celtic team doctors also Dole out stock market predictions.

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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2022, 04:08:46 PM »

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So he probably won't be seeing real minutes (as in 20+/night) until January right


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« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2022, 04:13:50 PM »

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We have to find ways to win without TIMELORD. So far so good!

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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2022, 04:15:54 PM »

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I'd much rather have him in Feb 15ish - June than Nov-April.