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Re: TIMELORD!
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2022, 01:18:43 PM »

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PRP injections are nothing to worry about.

After the procedure, you may experience some soreness and bruising at the injection site. Because PRP injections are made up of your own cells and plasma, the risk of an allergic reaction is much lower than with other injectable medications like corticosteroids. Less common risks of PRP injections include: Bleeding.

Platelet-Rich Plasma (PRP) Injections - Johns Hopkins Medicine


Missing 41+ games is, though.
exactly.  the key here is the vagueness of "second half of the season"

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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2022, 01:37:31 PM »

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I know it's Keith Smith, but he said, "No change" is what a source told @celticsblog on the timetable for Robert Williams' return. Williams is still expected back sometime around the start of the 2023 calendar year."

On Reddit, people seem to think that Shams just wanted to make a headline for his new show. Some other details in the show include:

“Second half of the season”
“December-January, but could be later”
“If today were the playoffs he’d be playing”


I think we should assume the timeline is around the same as before. Sure, there is this new news about the PRP injection, but the team doesn't seem to be too concerned. Way too early for people to be worrying about Rob missing the whole season. From all accounts, this isn't considered a setback.

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2022, 01:52:03 PM »

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Not good news, that is for sure.  But I am not giving up on his season just yet.

Someone mentioned playing last season for the playoffs and did that aggravate the injury.  Did that make it worse or cause further damage that resulted in longer recovery?  These are fair questions.  The report was that he had a meniscus tear.  I don't know anything about knee injuries but when you hear about meniscus tears, it tends to not be that serious.  I doubt that the Celtics organization knowingly risked further injury or delayed recovery, but it is certainly possible that the medical team did not get this right.

I am not looking to second guess at this point.  Don't know nearly enough about any of this to be able to judge.  It probably is just Shams trying to stir things up.  The target seems to be January.  Make sure it is right, fully healed.  That should be the only objective.

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2022, 02:03:21 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2022, 02:49:10 PM »

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Stick a fork in this guy. Contract looking worse and worse now. He’s basically salary cap filler. The guy just can’t stay healthy.

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2022, 02:56:54 PM »

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We really don’t know anything yet. I’m reminded of Brook Lopez missing most of last year and being very much himself in the playoffs. Wasn’t enough to beat the Cs but he wasn’t the reason.

My preferred outcome is definitely that Rob gets healthy asap and stays that way. But if he comes back healthy in December or January and that allows him to contribute through the end of the year that might be plenty.

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2022, 03:00:21 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

The platelet replacement isn't necessarily unusual.

But, there's context here.  There was the original surgery, which we were told Rob would completely recover from within about 4 - 6 weeks.  Then, there were the multiple months of waiting, in which the media reported that Rob was on the road to recovery and should be fully healed.  Then, there was a report in late September that Rob would need additional surgery and would be out 8 weeks (so, around November 15 - December 15, roughly).  Now, we're hearing "second half of the season", which is open for interpretation.  If literal, it means January 11 or later.

His recovery time keeps being pushed back.  That's not fantastic.  The use of platelet therapy in and of itself could mean that the injury is slow to heal due to blood flow issues (and didn't Williams have some pre-draft circulatory concerns -- PAES?), or it could be nothing at all.


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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2022, 03:00:41 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?


I didn't. I was just posting what I thought was an update.

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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2022, 03:08:35 PM »

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Stick a fork in this guy. Contract looking worse and worse now. He’s basically salary cap filler. The guy just can’t stay healthy.

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He’s always hurt. It’s hard to hitch your wagon to a player when he plays 40 games a year.

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2022, 03:11:50 PM »

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Somehow this injury is going to cost him the season. Seems like the knee just isn’t responding to anything.

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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2022, 03:21:08 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

The platelet replacement isn't necessarily unusual.

But, there's context here.  There was the original surgery, which we were told Rob would completely recover from within about 4 - 6 weeks.  Then, there were the multiple months of waiting, in which the media reported that Rob was on the road to recovery and should be fully healed.  Then, there was a report in late September that Rob would need additional surgery and would be out 8 weeks (so, around November 15 - December 15, roughly).  Now, we're hearing "second half of the season", which is open for interpretation.  If literal, it means January 11 or later.

His recovery time keeps being pushed back.  That's not fantastic.  The use of platelet therapy in and of itself could mean that the injury is slow to heal due to blood flow issues (and didn't Williams have some pre-draft circulatory concerns -- PAES?), or it could be nothing at all.
Conversely, since we have no idea what doctors were saying from the very beginning, a very, very plausible scenario is the doctors gave TL a couple options from the get go.

Option 1: Wait for the swelling to go down and go in for a full repairing and cleaning of the meniscus and take a slow approach on physical therapy missing the playoffs and setting up for a return fully healthy to start next year....or .....

Option #2: Go in immediately and do a quick cleanup and get you back to play in the playoffs knowing it won't be 100% right but if you can put up with the pain, you can play and then we see what happens from there. It's possible we could clean it all up and you can rest and recover over the summer and when you resume basketball activities we can re-assess. It's probable you will need a follow up surgery that could mean missing some of next season but we can give you some PRP treatments to quicken the recovery period. It's also possible, though less likely, you will be fine and ready to go without a follow up procedure.


And TL chose option #2.

Just because the reporting comes out sporadically doesn't mean that this wasn't foreseen and planned from the very first diagnosis.

I remember when I had back surgery. My doctor's laid out the plan including physical therapy but also made me aware that if things didn't go 100% there were several other options and procedures that could be done to minimize pain and correct the issue long term. But they wanted to try the least invasive method first.

This is very common. If doctor's laid things out like this for me, a regular guy, I imagine such things were planned like this for a professional athlete.

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2022, 03:27:42 PM »

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I’ve been arguing we should trade Timelord since last year. Go back and re-read Celtics Talk Post titled “Timelord (Unpopular Opinion)”.

I made the argument at the peak of his performance last season. He is a game changer when he is healthy. When is the operative word.

I think I was advocating we trade him and Smart and other pieces to Phoenix for Ayton and make him our Big 3.

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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2022, 03:29:47 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

The platelet replacement isn't necessarily unusual.

But, there's context here.  There was the original surgery, which we were told Rob would completely recover from within about 4 - 6 weeks.  Then, there were the multiple months of waiting, in which the media reported that Rob was on the road to recovery and should be fully healed.  Then, there was a report in late September that Rob would need additional surgery and would be out 8 weeks (so, around November 15 - December 15, roughly).  Now, we're hearing "second half of the season", which is open for interpretation.  If literal, it means January 11 or later.

His recovery time keeps being pushed back.  That's not fantastic.  The use of platelet therapy in and of itself could mean that the injury is slow to heal due to blood flow issues (and didn't Williams have some pre-draft circulatory concerns -- PAES?), or it could be nothing at all.
Conversely, since we have no idea what doctors were saying from the very beginning, a very, very plausible scenario is the doctors gave TL a couple options from the get go.

Option 1: Wait for the swelling to go down and go in for a full repairing and cleaning of the meniscus and take a slow approach on physical therapy missing the playoffs and setting up for a return fully healthy to start next year....or .....

Option #2: Go in immediately and do a quick cleanup and get you back to play in the playoffs knowing it won't be 100% right but if you can put up with the pain, you can play and then we see what happens from there. It's possible we could clean it all up and you can rest and recover over the summer and when you resume basketball activities we can re-assess. It's probable you will need a follow up surgery that could mean missing some of next season but we can give you some PRP treatments to quicken the recovery period. It's also possible, though less likely, you will be fine and ready to go without a follow up procedure.


And TL chose option #2.

Just because the reporting comes out sporadically doesn't mean that this wasn't foreseen and planned from the very first diagnosis.

I remember when I had back surgery. My doctor's laid out the plan including physical therapy but also made me aware that if things didn't go 100% there were several other options and procedures that could be done to minimize pain and correct the issue long term. But they wanted to try the least invasive method first.

This is very common. If doctor's laid things out like this for me, a regular guy, I imagine such things were planned like this for a professional athlete.

So, if Brad has known since July that Williams would miss at least half the season, then it’s extraordinarily irresponsible not to have signed a real center, agreed?

If this was expected, Brad really messed up not using the TPE.


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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2022, 03:58:25 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

The platelet replacement isn't necessarily unusual.

But, there's context here.  There was the original surgery, which we were told Rob would completely recover from within about 4 - 6 weeks.  Then, there were the multiple months of waiting, in which the media reported that Rob was on the road to recovery and should be fully healed.  Then, there was a report in late September that Rob would need additional surgery and would be out 8 weeks (so, around November 15 - December 15, roughly).  Now, we're hearing "second half of the season", which is open for interpretation.  If literal, it means January 11 or later.

His recovery time keeps being pushed back.  That's not fantastic.  The use of platelet therapy in and of itself could mean that the injury is slow to heal due to blood flow issues (and didn't Williams have some pre-draft circulatory concerns -- PAES?), or it could be nothing at all.
Conversely, since we have no idea what doctors were saying from the very beginning, a very, very plausible scenario is the doctors gave TL a couple options from the get go.

Option 1: Wait for the swelling to go down and go in for a full repairing and cleaning of the meniscus and take a slow approach on physical therapy missing the playoffs and setting up for a return fully healthy to start next year....or .....

Option #2: Go in immediately and do a quick cleanup and get you back to play in the playoffs knowing it won't be 100% right but if you can put up with the pain, you can play and then we see what happens from there. It's possible we could clean it all up and you can rest and recover over the summer and when you resume basketball activities we can re-assess. It's probable you will need a follow up surgery that could mean missing some of next season but we can give you some PRP treatments to quicken the recovery period. It's also possible, though less likely, you will be fine and ready to go without a follow up procedure.


And TL chose option #2.

Just because the reporting comes out sporadically doesn't mean that this wasn't foreseen and planned from the very first diagnosis.

I remember when I had back surgery. My doctor's laid out the plan including physical therapy but also made me aware that if things didn't go 100% there were several other options and procedures that could be done to minimize pain and correct the issue long term. But they wanted to try the least invasive method first.

This is very common. If doctor's laid things out like this for me, a regular guy, I imagine such things were planned like this for a professional athlete.

So, if Brad has known since July that Williams would miss at least half the season, then it’s extraordinarily irresponsible not to have signed a real center, agreed?

If this was expected, Brad really messed up not using the TPE.
Even if it wasn't expected he really messed up because literally every person on the planet knew Rob Williams was going to miss at least 15 games this season because he always missing that much time. 
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2022, 04:08:43 PM »

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Why is everyone, except apparently C2021 and I, assuming these PRP injections weren't a part of the original medical plan in regards to getting TL back as soon as possible?

The platelet replacement isn't necessarily unusual.

But, there's context here.  There was the original surgery, which we were told Rob would completely recover from within about 4 - 6 weeks.  Then, there were the multiple months of waiting, in which the media reported that Rob was on the road to recovery and should be fully healed.  Then, there was a report in late September that Rob would need additional surgery and would be out 8 weeks (so, around November 15 - December 15, roughly).  Now, we're hearing "second half of the season", which is open for interpretation.  If literal, it means January 11 or later.

His recovery time keeps being pushed back.  That's not fantastic.  The use of platelet therapy in and of itself could mean that the injury is slow to heal due to blood flow issues (and didn't Williams have some pre-draft circulatory concerns -- PAES?), or it could be nothing at all.
Conversely, since we have no idea what doctors were saying from the very beginning, a very, very plausible scenario is the doctors gave TL a couple options from the get go.

Option 1: Wait for the swelling to go down and go in for a full repairing and cleaning of the meniscus and take a slow approach on physical therapy missing the playoffs and setting up for a return fully healthy to start next year....or .....

Option #2: Go in immediately and do a quick cleanup and get you back to play in the playoffs knowing it won't be 100% right but if you can put up with the pain, you can play and then we see what happens from there. It's possible we could clean it all up and you can rest and recover over the summer and when you resume basketball activities we can re-assess. It's probable you will need a follow up surgery that could mean missing some of next season but we can give you some PRP treatments to quicken the recovery period. It's also possible, though less likely, you will be fine and ready to go without a follow up procedure.


And TL chose option #2.

Just because the reporting comes out sporadically doesn't mean that this wasn't foreseen and planned from the very first diagnosis.

I remember when I had back surgery. My doctor's laid out the plan including physical therapy but also made me aware that if things didn't go 100% there were several other options and procedures that could be done to minimize pain and correct the issue long term. But they wanted to try the least invasive method first.

This is very common. If doctor's laid things out like this for me, a regular guy, I imagine such things were planned like this for a professional athlete.

So, if Brad has known since July that Williams would miss at least half the season, then it’s extraordinarily irresponsible not to have signed a real center, agreed?

If this was expected, Brad really messed up not using the TPE.
Even if it wasn't expected he really messed up because literally every person on the planet knew Rob Williams was going to miss at least 15 games this season because he always missing that much time.

I agree with this - absolutely should have used the TPE if possible, but how do we know that Brad didn't want to use the TPE and was over-ruled by ownership?  Maybe there weren't many deals available?  Hard to blame Brad specifically, when we don't know what other factors were at play when the organization made the decision not to use it.  But hindsight is 20/20.