NBA Season 2022-23

[Phantom255x]

Kawhi's lack of availability is the Clippers biggest issue.  His on/off differential is +10.3, but with 8 games and 1256 minutes played that just isn't enough.

I won't be surprised if some of the owners start pushing back on contracts in light of all the load management that happens these days, or in the case of someone like Kawhi, linking a player's salary to health because they're injured so often, because it's ridiculous to pay someone $30M+ a year to play, like, 50 (or fewer) regular-season games, and sometimes not even be available in the postseason.

Probably not.  A lot of “load management” comes from management, not players.  There might be a star or two that has a bit more voice, but teams rest players a lot.  As for Kawhi, the Clippers literally resigned him weeks after he had torn an ACL.  No pity for them.

I do think the Ben Simmons and Kyrie situations are definitely going to be something owners bring to the table. I can't imagine there's a lot of people or organizations happy with how some of those situations have unfolded

[Celtics2021]

Kawhi's lack of availability is the Clippers biggest issue.  His on/off differential is +10.3, but with 8 games and 1256 minutes played that just isn't enough.

I won't be surprised if some of the owners start pushing back on contracts in light of all the load management that happens these days, or in the case of someone like Kawhi, linking a player's salary to health because they're injured so often, because it's ridiculous to pay someone $30M+ a year to play, like, 50 (or fewer) regular-season games, and sometimes not even be available in the postseason.

Probably not.  A lot of “load management” comes from management, not players.  There might be a star or two that has a bit more voice, but teams rest players a lot.  As for Kawhi, the Clippers literally resigned him weeks after he had torn an ACL.  No pity for them.

I do think the Ben Simmons and Kyrie situations are definitely going to be something owners bring to the table. I can't imagine there's a lot of people or organizations happy with how some of those situations have unfolded

Sure, but both teams withheld money from the players per terms of their contracts and the CBA, so this isn’t some huge fix that’s needed.

[Moranis]

Kawhi's lack of availability is the Clippers biggest issue.  His on/off differential is +10.3, but with 8 games and 1256 minutes played that just isn't enough.

I won't be surprised if some of the owners start pushing back on contracts in light of all the load management that happens these days, or in the case of someone like Kawhi, linking a player's salary to health because they're injured so often, because it's ridiculous to pay someone $30M+ a year to play, like, 50 (or fewer) regular-season games, and sometimes not even be available in the postseason.

Probably not.  A lot of “load management” comes from management, not players.  There might be a star or two that has a bit more voice, but teams rest players a lot.  As for Kawhi, the Clippers literally resigned him weeks after he had torn an ACL.  No pity for them.

I don't think this is true at all.  I think it is the players dictating it.

[Moranis]

Saw an interesting article that basically linked the increase of injuries and load management to AAU.  Says that AAU creates broken brittle bodies at a much higher rate than the old days where guys didn't specialize (so they had more well rounded bodies) and took summers off.  So a guy that would play football, then basketball, and then baseball in high school and just had fun in the summer had a much stronger and more well rounded physical structure when they went to basketball full time in college. 

[Birdman]

Players controls the league..if team don’t like the coach, he is a goner.. if they want time off, they have an “injury”..if they want a personal day, they take one thou they just play 3 games a week lol..there’s a lot of players out with “ injuries” now but watch when playoffs starts, they all be healthy

[Roy H.]

Kawhi's lack of availability is the Clippers biggest issue.  His on/off differential is +10.3, but with 8 games and 1256 minutes played that just isn't enough.

I won't be surprised if some of the owners start pushing back on contracts in light of all the load management that happens these days, or in the case of someone like Kawhi, linking a player's salary to health because they're injured so often, because it's ridiculous to pay someone $30M+ a year to play, like, 50 (or fewer) regular-season games, and sometimes not even be available in the postseason.

Probably not.  A lot of “load management” comes from management, not players.  There might be a star or two that has a bit more voice, but teams rest players a lot.  As for Kawhi, the Clippers literally resigned him weeks after he had torn an ACL.  No pity for them.

I don't think this is true at all.  I think it is the players dictating it.

I’d be curious to know the truth of it.  I would assume that management would want stars available as much as possible, particularly for home games.  But, at least with the Celtics, it seems like management decides which games to sit guys for rest.

[Celtics2021]

Kawhi's lack of availability is the Clippers biggest issue.  His on/off differential is +10.3, but with 8 games and 1256 minutes played that just isn't enough.

I won't be surprised if some of the owners start pushing back on contracts in light of all the load management that happens these days, or in the case of someone like Kawhi, linking a player's salary to health because they're injured so often, because it's ridiculous to pay someone $30M+ a year to play, like, 50 (or fewer) regular-season games, and sometimes not even be available in the postseason.

Probably not.  A lot of “load management” comes from management, not players.  There might be a star or two that has a bit more voice, but teams rest players a lot.  As for Kawhi, the Clippers literally resigned him weeks after he had torn an ACL.  No pity for them.

I don't think this is true at all.  I think it is the players dictating it.

I’d be curious to know the truth of it.  I would assume that management would want stars available as much as possible, particularly for home games.  But, at least with the Celtics, it seems like management decides which games to sit guys for rest.

There was a roundtable about today about this in The Athletic, and it was pretty much a consensus view that teams’ internal data drives most of the resting decisions.  I’ll pull some quotes.

Here’s the first one, and I think it’s enough to end the debate:

Silver said there is “medical data” to support the current practice of load management throughout the league and disagreed with the notion that too many players — especially stars — were sitting out of games without injury.

If Adam Silver, in the middle of CBA negotiations (these quotes were during All-Star weekend), is supporting load management, it’s pretty clear that management is not opposed to it.

[Celtics2021]

Jonathan Isaac is out for the year with a torn adductor.  Played in only 11 games after practically a three-year absence.  That’s tough, to say the least.

[Goldstar88]

Jonathan Isaac is out for the year with a torn adductor.  Played in only 11 games after practically a three-year absence.  That’s tough, to say the least.

Awful. I’m just glad he got a decent contract before being ravaged with injury. Not everyone is so lucky.

[Donoghus]

Jonathan Isaac is out for the year with a torn adductor.  Played in only 11 games after practically a three-year absence.  That’s tough, to say the least.

Yeah, he's had a real rough go of it. 

[celticsclay]

Kawhi's lack of availability is the Clippers biggest issue.  His on/off differential is +10.3, but with 8 games and 1256 minutes played that just isn't enough.

I won't be surprised if some of the owners start pushing back on contracts in light of all the load management that happens these days, or in the case of someone like Kawhi, linking a player's salary to health because they're injured so often, because it's ridiculous to pay someone $30M+ a year to play, like, 50 (or fewer) regular-season games, and sometimes not even be available in the postseason.

Probably not.  A lot of “load management” comes from management, not players.  There might be a star or two that has a bit more voice, but teams rest players a lot.  As for Kawhi, the Clippers literally resigned him weeks after he had torn an ACL.  No pity for them.

I don't think this is true at all.  I think it is the players dictating it.

I’d be curious to know the truth of it.  I would assume that management would want stars available as much as possible, particularly for home games.  But, at least with the Celtics, it seems like management decides which games to sit guys for rest.

There was a roundtable about today about this in The Athletic, and it was pretty much a consensus view that teams’ internal data drives most of the resting decisions.  I’ll pull some quotes.

Here’s the first one, and I think it’s enough to end the debate:

Silver said there is “medical data” to support the current practice of load management throughout the league and disagreed with the notion that too many players — especially stars — were sitting out of games without injury.

If Adam Silver, in the middle of CBA negotiations (these quotes were during All-Star weekend), is supporting load management, it’s pretty clear that management is not opposed to it.

Somehow the players own silver and he constantly goes out of his way to support everything they do. Morey had an answer in an interview the other day where he said his analytics on Load management didn’t show that big a difference. He then said for them the difference between a guy playing 33 or 37 minutes just wasn’t that different. Apologies if I got this slightly off cause going from memory, but this was the gist of it.

[Celtics2021]

Kawhi's lack of availability is the Clippers biggest issue.  His on/off differential is +10.3, but with 8 games and 1256 minutes played that just isn't enough.

I won't be surprised if some of the owners start pushing back on contracts in light of all the load management that happens these days, or in the case of someone like Kawhi, linking a player's salary to health because they're injured so often, because it's ridiculous to pay someone $30M+ a year to play, like, 50 (or fewer) regular-season games, and sometimes not even be available in the postseason.

Probably not.  A lot of “load management” comes from management, not players.  There might be a star or two that has a bit more voice, but teams rest players a lot.  As for Kawhi, the Clippers literally resigned him weeks after he had torn an ACL.  No pity for them.

I don't think this is true at all.  I think it is the players dictating it.

I’d be curious to know the truth of it.  I would assume that management would want stars available as much as possible, particularly for home games.  But, at least with the Celtics, it seems like management decides which games to sit guys for rest.

There was a roundtable about today about this in The Athletic, and it was pretty much a consensus view that teams’ internal data drives most of the resting decisions.  I’ll pull some quotes.

Here’s the first one, and I think it’s enough to end the debate:

Silver said there is “medical data” to support the current practice of load management throughout the league and disagreed with the notion that too many players — especially stars — were sitting out of games without injury.

If Adam Silver, in the middle of CBA negotiations (these quotes were during All-Star weekend), is supporting load management, it’s pretty clear that management is not opposed to it.

Somehow the players own silver and he constantly goes out of his way to support everything they do. Morey had an answer in an interview the other day where he said his analytics on Load management didn’t show that big a difference. He then said for them the difference between a guy playing 33 or 37 minutes just wasn’t that different. Apologies if I got this slightly off cause going from memory, but this was the gist of it.

Here’s a part of the discussion that addresses this:

David Aldridge: 

But, first and foremost, this question: Where’s the stat?

One thing the NBA analytics community is very good at is coming up with new and exciting ways to say, “Ja Morant is good at basketball.” Every year, there’s another, “You must pay attention to and give fealty to this number, or you don’t know jack-all about hoops” measurable. I mean, there’s a whole annual sports conference up in Boston dedicated to the Next, Shiniest New Stat! Where’s the corresponding, “This proves that load management works” metric? The evidence that holding Players X and Y out of games on a regular basis over the last three years has made Players X and Y more efficient by Z percent?

Obviously, those answers can be and are proprietary to individual teams. Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr is among the few who has spoken openly about how the numbers among Warriors players are impacted positively when they’re given a night or two off. But the lack of clear data leaguewide makes it harder to make the case that load management works.

John Hollinger:

DA makes a really good point: The essential problem in the load management debate is that it is impossible to prove the absence of something. How do we demonstrate what chronic or catastrophic injuries might have been prevented in some alternate universe? With basically every team following some kind of load management program nowadays, there is no control group for us to compare to in this experiment (must … fight … urge … to make … Thibodeau … joke), no scientific formula that says, “Good thing you sat him out, he was going to tear his ACL tonight.”

I will say, however, that basketball isn’t the only sport doing this stuff. Elite soccer teams, in particular, regularly sit out their top players (they call it “rotation”) rather than have them play every match. Baseball has been cutting back on pitchers’ usage — both by decreasing the number of innings per start and increasing the days of rest between starts — for decades now, and it is still trending that way. And baseball players aren’t even real athletes (ducks).

…

Ultimately, it’s hard to argue that teams are intentionally making themselves worse with load management. The increase in proficiency in sports performance staffs leaguewide over the past decade has been ginormous. The issue is that, if it’s in each contending team’s interest to pull back on regular-season games for its best players, it is also basically telling fans the regular season doesn’t matter. I think that’s a far more troubling issue for the league.

There’s a lot more to the discussion about why it’s a thing, and I don’t want to give away everything here because it’s behind a paywall, but no one suggested that it’s players controlling the decisions, and it was agreed that teams were doing it out of their own self-interest.

[Phantom255x]

Jonathan Isaac is out for the year with a torn adductor.  Played in only 11 games after practically a three-year absence.  That’s tough, to say the least.

Yeah, he's had a real rough go of it.

He's still young, but I do wonder if at some point he decides to just retire. Just recently we heard he was "completely healed" and now this out of nowhere. It's also unknown if he'll even be ready in time for next season yet.

I imagine he'll still play and rehab this offseason again, but if he god forbid has another serious injury next season then I do wonder if he retires

[mobilija]

Saw an interesting article that basically linked the increase of injuries and load management to AAU.  Says that AAU creates broken brittle bodies at a much higher rate than the old days where guys didn't specialize (so they had more well rounded bodies) and took summers off.  So a guy that would play football, then basketball, and then baseball in high school and just had fun in the summer had a much stronger and more well rounded physical structure when they went to basketball full time in college.

I feel like I may have read something similar....but where🤔

[Phantom255x]

Saw an interesting article that basically linked the increase of injuries and load management to AAU.  Says that AAU creates broken brittle bodies at a much higher rate than the old days where guys didn't specialize (so they had more well rounded bodies) and took summers off.  So a guy that would play football, then basketball, and then baseball in high school and just had fun in the summer had a much stronger and more well rounded physical structure when they went to basketball full time in college.

Lol you mean the article posted on the previous page here?