Udoka Facing Suspension/Udoka to Nets??

[BringToughnessBack]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Exactly!

[RJ87]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Unless the team had bans on this stuff and Udoka agreed to those bans as part of his contract. In which case it is the team's business and the Cs have the right to discipline him.

Exactly. He violated the team's code of conduct. Players get suspended for conduct detrimental to the team all the time. Why should the coach be above reproach? If anything, he should be held to a higher standard as a person of authority.

[sgrogan]

I have no problem with the silence from the Cs This is sensitive and complex HR and personal issue involving real people with families. It's best to stay silent until there is consensus from all parties as to what happens next.

I doubt it was the Cs org that leaked it. My guess is a player told their agent and an agent now is owed a favor by Woj/Shams.

I have a major problem with it. Female staffers are being harrassed on social media and having their photos posted all over the place. The very least they could do is release a statement condemning that behavior. It won't stop it, but at least show some solidarity with your female staff.

TP

This is yet another reason to avoid the behavior.
If the C's don't say it's not her, then they are under suspicion.
If they start ruling people out, the remaining are under suspicion.

But complete radio silence seems irresponsible.

[liam]

I have no problem with the silence from the Cs This is sensitive and complex HR and personal issue involving real people with families. It's best to stay silent until there is consensus from all parties as to what happens next.

I doubt it was the Cs org that leaked it. My guess is a player told their agent and an agent now is owed a favor by Woj/Shams.

I have a major problem with it. Female staffers are being harrassed on social media and having their photos posted all over the place. The very least they could do is release a statement condemning that behavior. It won't stop it, but at least show some solidarity with your female staff.

Good point!

I don’t think this is a good point at all. Way too often, the woke crowd is all about women protection and empowerment. The Celtics can’t control the mob. Social media is gonna social media and there are horrible keyboard warriors who will abuse no matter what. The Celtics management seem like a very cerebral group who takes time but is also swift in making (typically) the correct decision from a social and pragmatic point of view.

We need to allow time to cast judgment on this situation and how the Celtics brass handle it.

They can't at least condemn the bad behavior against Celtics employees? I disagree.

[Who]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Unless the team had bans on this stuff and Udoka agreed to those bans as part of his contract. In which case it is the team's business and the Cs have the right to discipline him.

No company (basketball team) has the right to tell its employees what they can do in their private lives outside of work. These rules / laws are ridiculous and they need to be eliminated.


Companies are and should be free to make such rules for what happens on company property during company time but they should have no right to tell people who they can or cannot date outside of work.


This whole thing is ridiculous. It is stupid that these rules exist in the first place and are common in our society. And it is intensely stupid that a business is willing to shoot itself in the foot (suspend Udoka for 1yr) for such a stupid rule.

[CBS_Take a Report]

I have no problem with the silence from the Cs This is sensitive and complex HR and personal issue involving real people with families. It's best to stay silent until there is consensus from all parties as to what happens next.

I doubt it was the Cs org that leaked it. My guess is a player told their agent and an agent now is owed a favor by Woj/Shams.

I have a major problem with it. Female staffers are being harrassed on social media and having their photos posted all over the place. The very least they could do is release a statement condemning that behavior. It won't stop it, but at least show some solidarity with your female staff.

Good point!

I don’t think this is a good point at all. Way too often, the woke crowd is all about women protection and empowerment. The Celtics can’t control the mob. Social media is gonna social media and there are horrible keyboard warriors who will abuse no matter what. The Celtics management seem like a very cerebral group who takes time but is also swift in making (typically) the correct decision from a social and pragmatic point of view.

We need to allow time to cast judgment on this situation and how the Celtics brass handle it.

They can't at least condemn the bad behavior against Celtics employees? I disagree.

It hasn’t even been 24 hours since the Woj Bomb. They don’t have a 24 hour reflection period before putting out a public statement that is informed?

[Neurotic Guy]

I have no problem with the silence from the Cs This is sensitive and complex HR and personal issue involving real people with families. It's best to stay silent until there is consensus from all parties as to what happens next.

I doubt it was the Cs org that leaked it. My guess is a player told their agent and an agent now is owed a favor by Woj/Shams.

I have a major problem with it. Female staffers are being harrassed on social media and having their photos posted all over the place. The very least they could do is release a statement condemning that behavior. It won't stop it, but at least show some solidarity with your female staff.

Good point!

I don’t think this is a good point at all. Way too often, the woke crowd is all about women protection and empowerment. The Celtics can’t control the mob. Social media is gonna social media and there are horrible keyboard warriors who will abuse no matter what. The Celtics management seem like a very cerebral group who takes time but is also swift in making (typically) the correct decision from a social and pragmatic point of view.

We need to allow time to cast judgment on this situation and how the Celtics brass handle it.

I tend to agree with you on this.  Be thoughtful, patient, pragmatic - get the information and make a sound decision. 

And… I’m not sure if I’m ‘woke’ but I sure do hope that I am.  From what I understand - though it’s always a mistake to paint anyone with a broad brush - it seems like a good, caring, thing to be.

[RJ87]

I have no problem with the silence from the Cs This is sensitive and complex HR and personal issue involving real people with families. It's best to stay silent until there is consensus from all parties as to what happens next.

I doubt it was the Cs org that leaked it. My guess is a player told their agent and an agent now is owed a favor by Woj/Shams.

I have a major problem with it. Female staffers are being harrassed on social media and having their photos posted all over the place. The very least they could do is release a statement condemning that behavior. It won't stop it, but at least show some solidarity with your female staff.

Good point!

I don’t think this is a good point at all. Way too often, the woke crowd is all about women protection and empowerment. The Celtics can’t control the mob. Social media is gonna social media and there are horrible keyboard warriors who will abuse no matter what. The Celtics management seem like a very cerebral group who takes time but is also swift in making (typically) the correct decision from a social and pragmatic point of view.

We need to allow time to cast judgment on this situation and how the Celtics brass handle it.

They can't at least condemn the bad behavior against Celtics employees? I disagree.

It hasn’t even been 24 hours since the Woj Bomb. They don’t have a 24 hour reflection period before putting out a public statement that is informed?

It's been 24 hours since the woj bomb, but reports indicate that the team has known about this for at least a week. They've had ample time to prepare.

This is crisis management 101 and they're failing it.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Unless the team had bans on this stuff and Udoka agreed to those bans as part of his contract. In which case it is the team's business and the Cs have the right to discipline him.

No company (basketball team) has the right to tell its employees what they can do in their private lives outside of work. These rules / laws are ridiculous and they need to be eliminated.


Companies are and should be free to make such rules for what happens on company property during company time but they should have no right to tell people who they can or cannot date outside of work.


This whole thing is ridiculous. It is stupid that these rules exist in the first place and are common in our society. And it is intensely stupid that a business is willing to shoot itself in the foot (suspend Udoka for 1yr) for such a stupid rule.

You're free to your opinion on these rules, of course, but anyone's opinion on them isn't the point. If someone voluntarily agrees to abide by a set of rules in exchange for employment, then that person stands to be disciplined, even fired, if they break any of those rules. It's not like Udoka was forced to be head coach of the Boston Celtics, or didn't know what rules he was agreeing to when he became head coach. His liability in this case is clear, and opinions on the morality of his behavior don't matter; it's a contractual issue.

[RJ87]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Unless the team had bans on this stuff and Udoka agreed to those bans as part of his contract. In which case it is the team's business and the Cs have the right to discipline him.

No company (basketball team) has the right to tell its employees what they can do in their private lives outside of work. These rules / laws are ridiculous and they need to be eliminated.


Companies are and should be free to make such rules for what happens on company property during company time but they should have no right to tell people who they can or cannot date outside of work.


This whole thing is ridiculous. It is stupid that these rules exist in the first place and are common in our society. And it is intensely stupid that a business is willing to shoot itself in the foot (suspend Udoka for 1yr) for such a stupid rule.

Or the grown man who had full knowledge of his company's fraternization policies, agreed to those policies, understood that there could be consequences if he broke them, and still knowingly disregard them is intensely stupid.

You may not like it, but the Celtics are perfectly within their right to create and enforce these policies. This is on Ime.

[liam]

I have no problem with the silence from the Cs This is sensitive and complex HR and personal issue involving real people with families. It's best to stay silent until there is consensus from all parties as to what happens next.

I doubt it was the Cs org that leaked it. My guess is a player told their agent and an agent now is owed a favor by Woj/Shams.

I have a major problem with it. Female staffers are being harrassed on social media and having their photos posted all over the place. The very least they could do is release a statement condemning that behavior. It won't stop it, but at least show some solidarity with your female staff.

Good point!

I don’t think this is a good point at all. Way too often, the woke crowd is all about women protection and empowerment. The Celtics can’t control the mob. Social media is gonna social media and there are horrible keyboard warriors who will abuse no matter what. The Celtics management seem like a very cerebral group who takes time but is also swift in making (typically) the correct decision from a social and pragmatic point of view.

We need to allow time to cast judgment on this situation and how the Celtics brass handle it.

They can't at least condemn the bad behavior against Celtics employees? I disagree.

It hasn’t even been 24 hours since the Woj Bomb. They don’t have a 24 hour reflection period before putting out a public statement that is informed?

They could at least put out a statement that says not to harass Celtics employees. It's really that simple.

[bdm860]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Unless the team had bans on this stuff and Udoka agreed to those bans as part of his contract. In which case it is the team's business and the Cs have the right to discipline him.

No company (basketball team) has the right to tell its employees what they can do in their private lives outside of work. These rules / laws are ridiculous and they need to be eliminated.


Companies are and should be free to make such rules for what happens on company property during company time but they should have no right to tell people who they can or cannot date outside of work.


This whole thing is ridiculous. It is stupid that these rules exist in the first place and are common in our society. And it is intensely stupid that a business is willing to shoot itself in the foot (suspend Udoka for 1yr) for such a stupid rule.

Phoenix was just fined $10m and their owner being pressured to sell based on how they treated female employees (amongst other things).  Dallas was fined $10m for similar issues with female employees.  These environments didn't just start out of the blue.

This situation is the Celtics nipping that in the bud saying we don't ever want to get to that, and putting the world on notice of that too.

"Consensual" doesn't make it okay from a team/business perspective. 

Now anything that happens at work with that employee is tainted.  Promotion, praise, criticism, raises, firings, favorable/unfavorable work assignments, all touched with the brush of that relationship.  You can never know if anything at work had to do with the relationship or not. 

And not just for the employee in question, but all the emploee's co-workers too.  Because if I got passed over for a promotion, fired, laid off, no raise, bad work assignment, etc., and you didn't, and you just happen to sleep with one of the more powerful people in the organization, I'm going to have some questions and wonder if it's because I'm not sleeping with a boss.

Also consensual today can turn grey tomorrow.  Bad breakups is a thing.   Ya we started a consensual relationship last month, but now I want to end things and you don't, but I'm worried I'm going to lose my job.  Or what if you cheat on me or I cheat on you? If our relationship doesn't work out for any reason and I ever get fired/laid off, I might have to go talk to a lawyer.

There's a reason so many companies have rules against this sort of thing.

[sgrogan]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Unless the team had bans on this stuff and Udoka agreed to those bans as part of his contract. In which case it is the team's business and the Cs have the right to discipline him.

No company (basketball team) has the right to tell its employees what they can do in their private lives outside of work. These rules / laws are ridiculous and they need to be eliminated.


Companies are and should be free to make such rules for what happens on company property during company time but they should have no right to tell people who they can or cannot date outside of work.


This whole thing is ridiculous. It is stupid that these rules exist in the first place and are common in our society. And it is intensely stupid that a business is willing to shoot itself in the foot (suspend Udoka for 1yr) for such a stupid rule.

Phoenix was just fined $10m and their owner being pressured to sell based on how they treated female employees (amongst other things).  Dallas was fined $10m for similar issues with female employees.  These environments didn't just start out of the blue.

This situation is the Celtics nipping that in the bud saying we don't ever want to get to that, and putting the world on notice of that too.

"Consensual" doesn't make it okay from a team/business perspective. 

Now anything that happens at work with that employee is tainted.  Promotion, praise, criticism, raises, firings, favorable/unfavorable work assignments, all touched with the brush of that relationship.  You can never know if anything at work had to do with the relationship or not. 

And not just for the employee in question, but all the emploee's co-workers too.  Because if I got passed over for a promotion, fired, laid off, no raise, bad work assignment, etc., and you didn't, and you just happen to sleep with one of the more powerful people in the organization, I'm going to have some questions and wonder if it's because I'm not sleeping with a boss.

Also consensual today can turn grey tomorrow.  Bad breakups is a thing.   Ya we started a consensual relationship last month, but now I want to end things and you don't, but I'm worried I'm going to lose my job.  Or what if you cheat on me or I cheat on you? If our relationship doesn't work out for any reason and I ever get fired/laid off, I might have to go talk to a lawyer.

There's a reason so many companies have rules against this sort of thing.

TP
The word tainted sums it up. It could be perfectly fine, but you don't know. This places the organization at risk, even if that risk is defending frivolous claims. 

[CBS_Take a Report]

This is ridiculous nonsense.

A consensual romantic relationship? All this noise over a consensual relationship?

You are going to severely damage the team over this!

There is no need for any of this nonsense. This is purely created by team ownership and is screwing over everyone. They are screwing over the fans, the players, the coaching staff ... Udoka and whoever he is having a romantic relationship with (oh the horror of it all).

p--- off. Play the game. Leave all this nonsense aside. Let people live their personal lives. No crime has been committed. No great offense. People are entitled to their private lives. Team ownership needs to keep their busy-bodying noses out of it.

Unless the team had bans on this stuff and Udoka agreed to those bans as part of his contract. In which case it is the team's business and the Cs have the right to discipline him.

No company (basketball team) has the right to tell its employees what they can do in their private lives outside of work. These rules / laws are ridiculous and they need to be eliminated.


Companies are and should be free to make such rules for what happens on company property during company time but they should have no right to tell people who they can or cannot date outside of work.


This whole thing is ridiculous. It is stupid that these rules exist in the first place and are common in our society. And it is intensely stupid that a business is willing to shoot itself in the foot (suspend Udoka for 1yr) for such a stupid rule.

Phoenix was just fined $10m and their owner being pressured to sell based on how they treated female employees (amongst other things).  Dallas was fined $10m for similar issues with female employees.  These environments didn't just start out of the blue.

This situation is the Celtics nipping that in the bud saying we don't ever want to get to that, and putting the world on notice of that too.

"Consensual" doesn't make it okay from a team/business perspective. 

Now anything that happens at work with that employee is tainted.  Promotion, praise, criticism, raises, firings, favorable/unfavorable work assignments, all touched with the brush of that relationship.  You can never know if anything at work had to do with the relationship or not. 

And not just for the employee in question, but all the emploee's co-workers too.  Because if I got passed over for a promotion, fired, laid off, no raise, bad work assignment, etc., and you didn't, and you just happen to sleep with one of the more powerful people in the organization, I'm going to have some questions and wonder if it's because I'm not sleeping with a boss.

Also consensual today can turn grey tomorrow.  Bad breakups is a thing.   Ya we started a consensual relationship last month, but now I want to end things and you don't, but I'm worried I'm going to lose my job.  Or what if you cheat on me or I cheat on you? If our relationship doesn't work out for any reason and I ever get fired/laid off, I might have to go talk to a lawyer.

There's a reason so many companies have rules against this sort of thing.

I’m not ok with making a woman who consensually ALSO chose to have a workplace relationship’s  as the “victim”. She had poor judgment just like Ime.

[Sophomore]

Such a gut punch. He had a lot of obviously positive leadership qualities. I don’t want to believe it and I want to let him off the hook. But he did a dumb thing. He worked for so long and so hard to get to his seat and then he did this?