Patriots 2022 Season

[boscel33]

I'm on the wait and see side.

The D help a powerful Dolphins offense to 307 yards.  This offense consists of Tua, Hill, Waddle, Wilson, and Edmonds.  I'll take that.

The O will get better, but also, let's not blame it on Matt.  He originally came to the Pats as an Offensive Coach.  I think he'll be fine, but I am rooting to Bill O'Brien to be hired.

He took Houston to the playoffs with Brock Osweiler as his QB!

[nickagneta]

Bill's nepotism hiring pratices is killing this franchise from the top down. It's time for a strong gm and oversite. I like the coach but the decline in management of staff and talent evaluation is obvious.

I have always felt in football there are no rebuilds unless you are throwing out the coaching staff and gm. The team should not be this bad. In all honesty feels like Bill wants to leave and he is burning the franchise.

The Krafts needs to hire a "consultant/gm to be" now to start planning on the replacement of Bill and the entire staff. Also a secondary scout group. Just like Bill does to his players put some pressure on Bill and tell him he is getting too old for the job, that he is on the decline.

 Huge TP. Very well said.

It's actually a massive over reaction to one game.

The nepotism thing is kinda ridiculous given both sons have coached very well, have been with the team for a long while, winning Super Bowls in their time coaching there and are on the defensive side, the side playing quality ball. No one leaving the team has ever commented that either son was not equipped to do a good job or was a poor coach.

Also, this whole thing is over one loss, in Miami, in the summer, a place and time they historically, even with Brady, lose.

The team is rebuilding. They had a great draft last year. This one could be too. They have success turning undrafted and late in the draft players into great pieces. And while rebuilding, last year they were 10-7 and went to the playoffs. How many non-rebuilding teams can say that.

This board, and fans in general but especially on this board, are terribly impatient and don't want to wait to see how teams gel and perform as the year goes on(see Celtics, Boston 2021-22). I said earlier, this team multiple times has started 2-2 and won Super Bowls. They once started 5-5 and won a Super Bowl.

Have some patience. You can have your hot takes if the team starts 3-6 or 3-7.

[Moranis]

Bill's nepotism hiring pratices is killing this franchise from the top down. It's time for a strong gm and oversite. I like the coach but the decline in management of staff and talent evaluation is obvious.

I have always felt in football there are no rebuilds unless you are throwing out the coaching staff and gm. The team should not be this bad. In all honesty feels like Bill wants to leave and he is burning the franchise.

The Krafts needs to hire a "consultant/gm to be" now to start planning on the replacement of Bill and the entire staff. Also a secondary scout group. Just like Bill does to his players put some pressure on Bill and tell him he is getting too old for the job, that he is on the decline.

 Huge TP. Very well said.

It's actually a massive over reaction to one game.

The nepotism thing is kinda ridiculous given both sons have coached very well, have been with the team for a long while, winning Super Bowls in their time coaching there and are on the defensive side, the side playing quality ball. No one leaving the team has ever commented that either son was not equipped to do a good job or was a poor coach.

Also, this whole thing is over one loss, in Miami, in the summer, a place and time they historically, even with Brady, lose.

The team is rebuilding. They had a great draft last year. This one could be too. They have success turning undrafted and late in the draft players into great pieces. And while rebuilding, last year they were 10-7 and went to the playoffs. How many non-rebuilding teams can say that.

This board, and fans in general but especially on this board, are terribly impatient and don't want to wait to see how teams gel and perform as the year goes on(see Celtics, Boston 2021-22). I said earlier, this team multiple times has started 2-2 and won Super Bowls. They once started 5-5 and won a Super Bowl.

Have some patience. You can have your hot takes if the team starts 3-6 or 3-7.

Or it just confirms what some have been thinking for awhile.  Sure it is 1 game, but if you felt that way going into the game, nothing you saw from that game would change your mind. 

[Goldstar88]

Bill's nepotism hiring pratices is killing this franchise from the top down. It's time for a strong gm and oversite. I like the coach but the decline in management of staff and talent evaluation is obvious.

I have always felt in football there are no rebuilds unless you are throwing out the coaching staff and gm. The team should not be this bad. In all honesty feels like Bill wants to leave and he is burning the franchise.

The Krafts needs to hire a "consultant/gm to be" now to start planning on the replacement of Bill and the entire staff. Also a secondary scout group. Just like Bill does to his players put some pressure on Bill and tell him he is getting too old for the job, that he is on the decline.

 Huge TP. Very well said.

It's actually a massive over reaction to one game.

The nepotism thing is kinda ridiculous given both sons have coached very well, have been with the team for a long while, winning Super Bowls in their time coaching there and are on the defensive side, the side playing quality ball. No one leaving the team has ever commented that either son was not equipped to do a good job or was a poor coach.

Also, this whole thing is over one loss, in Miami, in the summer, a place and time they historically, even with Brady, lose.

The team is rebuilding. They had a great draft last year. This one could be too. They have success turning undrafted and late in the draft players into great pieces. And while rebuilding, last year they were 10-7 and went to the playoffs. How many non-rebuilding teams can say that.

This board, and fans in general but especially on this board, are terribly impatient and don't want to wait to see how teams gel and perform as the year goes on(see Celtics, Boston 2021-22). I said earlier, this team multiple times has started 2-2 and won Super Bowls. They once started 5-5 and won a Super Bowl.

Have some patience. You can have your hot takes if the team starts 3-6 or 3-7.

It’s not just one game, though. It’s the whole off-season leading into it. McDaniels decides to leave and is replaced by two head coaches who were utter failures in Judge and Patricia. I doubt either would have a job if it wasn’t for Belichick. You mention that no one who has left the team has said that Bill’s kids are doing a poor job coaching, but at the same time I’m not hearing anyone saying that they are doing a good job, either.

It was a mistake trading away one of the best lineman on the team in Shaq Mason (for a 6th round pick)and the Pats certainly could have used him yesterday. Training camp/Preseason was basically a disaster and it’s continuing into the regular season. Game one and Mac is already injured due to the O-line failing him. I agree that the Pats did well last year, but again, that was with McDaniels running the  offense. I was hoping NE would build off of last season, however, it seems as though the Pats are going backwards. I’m not writing them off yet, But after 6 games I think we will know what this team is.

[Csfan1984]

Bill's nepotism hiring pratices is killing this franchise from the top down. It's time for a strong gm and oversite. I like the coach but the decline in management of staff and talent evaluation is obvious.

I have always felt in football there are no rebuilds unless you are throwing out the coaching staff and gm. The team should not be this bad. In all honesty feels like Bill wants to leave and he is burning the franchise.

The Krafts needs to hire a "consultant/gm to be" now to start planning on the replacement of Bill and the entire staff. Also a secondary scout group. Just like Bill does to his players put some pressure on Bill and tell him he is getting too old for the job, that he is on the decline.

 Huge TP. Very well said.

It's actually a massive over reaction to one game.

The nepotism thing is kinda ridiculous given both sons have coached very well, have been with the team for a long while, winning Super Bowls in their time coaching there and are on the defensive side, the side playing quality ball. No one leaving the team has ever commented that either son was not equipped to do a good job or was a poor coach.

Also, this whole thing is over one loss, in Miami, in the summer, a place and time they historically, even with Brady, lose.

The team is rebuilding. They had a great draft last year. This one could be too. They have success turning undrafted and late in the draft players into great pieces. And while rebuilding, last year they were 10-7 and went to the playoffs. How many non-rebuilding teams can say that.

This board, and fans in general but especially on this board, are terribly impatient and don't want to wait to see how teams gel and perform as the year goes on(see Celtics, Boston 2021-22). I said earlier, this team multiple times has started 2-2 and won Super Bowls. They once started 5-5 and won a Super Bowl.

Have some patience. You can have your hot takes if the team starts 3-6 or 3-7.

At that point in 3-7 the Krafts lose a draft. He doesn't have to replace Bill but Krafts need to be ready for it like Bill would for players. Get the side management group going.

[gouki88]

If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

[nickagneta]

If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

[Moranis]

If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

The strict disciplinarians have to win or they lose the lockerroom.  I think that is what gouki was talking about.  You can be a harda** when you win, but if you stop winning it gets old real fast.

[Goldstar88]

If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

The strict disciplinarians have to win or they lose the lockerroom.  I think that is what gouki was talking about.  You can be a harda** when you win, but if you stop winning it gets old real fast.

I have no problem with Bourne being disciplined. Don’t start him, keep him on the bench for the first Q. But to not play Kendrick until 5 mins to go in the 4th Q for two snaps when you’ve been trailing the whole game? That’s just arrogant. He was the Pats best WR last year and has very good chemistry with Mac. Bill’s decision in this case was detrimental to the team and the fact that Bourne converted for 40+ yards on one of the two opportunities he was given made it look that much worse.

[nickagneta]

If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

The strict disciplinarians have to win or they lose the lockerroom.  I think that is what gouki was talking about.  You can be a harda** when you win, but if you stop winning it gets old real fast.

I have no problem with Bourne being disciplined. Don’t start him, keep him on the bench for the first Q. But to not play Kendrick until 5 mins to go in the 4th Q for two snaps when you’ve been trailing the whole game? That’s just arrogant. He was the Pats best WR last year and has very good chemistry with Mac. Bill’s decision in this case was detrimental to the team and the fact that Bourne converted for 40+ yards on one of the two opportunities he was given made it look that much worse.

I think this a terrible take. Think of it on basketball terms. If someone like White or Grant suddenly was benched for a couple games for having a bad attitude about his reps and playing time during games and/or practices, no one would care. Or maybe they have their role cut in half instead of racking up a DNP-CD. No one would care. That's what this is. Nothing more.

[Goldstar88]

If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

The strict disciplinarians have to win or they lose the lockerroom.  I think that is what gouki was talking about.  You can be a harda** when you win, but if you stop winning it gets old real fast.

I have no problem with Bourne being disciplined. Don’t start him, keep him on the bench for the first Q. But to not play Kendrick until 5 mins to go in the 4th Q for two snaps when you’ve been trailing the whole game? That’s just arrogant. He was the Pats best WR last year and has very good chemistry with Mac. Bill’s decision in this case was detrimental to the team and the fact that Bourne converted for 40+ yards on one of the two opportunities he was given made it look that much worse.

I think this a terrible take. Think of it on basketball terms. If someone like White or Grant suddenly was benched for a couple games for having a bad attitude about his reps and playing time during games and/or practices, no one would care. Or maybe they have their role cut in half instead of racking up a DNP-CD. No one would care. That's what this is. Nothing more.

Except White/Grant are bench players whereas Bourne is a starter and arguably the best skill position player on the team…

[celticsclay]

If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

The strict disciplinarians have to win or they lose the lockerroom.  I think that is what gouki was talking about.  You can be a harda** when you win, but if you stop winning it gets old real fast.

I have no problem with Bourne being disciplined. Don’t start him, keep him on the bench for the first Q. But to not play Kendrick until 5 mins to go in the 4th Q for two snaps when you’ve been trailing the whole game? That’s just arrogant. He was the Pats best WR last year and has very good chemistry with Mac. Bill’s decision in this case was detrimental to the team and the fact that Bourne converted for 40+ yards on one of the two opportunities he was given made it look that much worse.

I think this a terrible take. Think of it on basketball terms. If someone like White or Grant suddenly was benched for a couple games for having a bad attitude about his reps and playing time during games and/or practices, no one would care. Or maybe they have their role cut in half instead of racking up a DNP-CD. No one would care. That's what this is. Nothing more.

Yeah I’m strongly with Nick on this. If it was Marcus smart doing this (who is better than Bourne) we would expect him to be benched if he was holding up a one on the bench for only getting a shot or getting real aggravated visibly when white missed a shot. Let try to keep this realistic guys. Bourne is not good enough to act how he was acting and he would have been benched on the bruins, Red Sox or patriots for doing the same thing.

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If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

The strict disciplinarians have to win or they lose the lockerroom.  I think that is what gouki was talking about.  You can be a harda** when you win, but if you stop winning it gets old real fast.

I have no problem with Bourne being disciplined. Don’t start him, keep him on the bench for the first Q. But to not play Kendrick until 5 mins to go in the 4th Q for two snaps when you’ve been trailing the whole game? That’s just arrogant. He was the Pats best WR last year and has very good chemistry with Mac. Bill’s decision in this case was detrimental to the team and the fact that Bourne converted for 40+ yards on one of the two opportunities he was given made it look that much worse.

I think this a terrible take. Think of it on basketball terms. If someone like White or Grant suddenly was benched for a couple games for having a bad attitude about his reps and playing time during games and/or practices, no one would care. Or maybe they have their role cut in half instead of racking up a DNP-CD. No one would care. That's what this is. Nothing more.

Yeah I’m strongly with Nick on this. If it was Marcus smart doing this (who is better than Bourne) we would expect him to be benched if he was holding up a one on the bench for only getting a shot or getting real aggravated visibly when white missed a shot. Let try to keep this realistic guys. Bourne is not good enough to act how he was acting and he would have been benched on the bruins, Red Sox or patriots for doing the same thing.

I would not expect Smart to get benched in an important game for holding up a “1” while sitting on the bench.Marcus also gets aggravated all the time. For example, calling out JT and JB for not passing enough during a postgame presser. Don’t recall him getting benched for that…

The Pats only play 17 games, every one of them is important and they were playing a beatable opponent. Also, Bourne holding up his pointer finger was after he missed essentially the entire game and made the 40 yard catch. Kendrick isn’t one of the top WR’s In the league; but he is the best the Pats have at the position and they could have used him for more than 2 plays yesterday.

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If Kendrick Bourne demanded a trade this week, I wouldn't blame him. Absolutely ridiculous that our 2nd best WR and probably the most versatile guy on our offense is basically benched due to Belichick's and the coaching staff's ego.

And go figure, when he finally comes into the game, 2 plays later Mac connects with him on a 41-yard deep pass which looked awesome. Then he basically got benched again in the drive Agholor fumbled 

Also, it's scary that this team is paying A TON (I think 60M+ combined) for extremely mediocre production at WR. Only Meyers and Bourne are reliable, and Henry but Henry is a TE.

Look at Miami. They got Waddle, Hill, and a bunch of great pieces AND coaching to surround Tua and help their QB. Then look at New England. Two clowns running the offense (Patricia, Judge) and lets be real, do we have anyone close to the level of Tyreek or even Waddle? I don't think so.

Bourne is a very good player with a very good connection with Mac.

So naturally he will be benched

Bourne was asked what he has been told about his benching.

“Not sure. Just playing my role. Whatever I have to do, I’m just waiting for that moment,” Bourne told reporters, including ESPN Boston’s Mike Reiss. “I don’t really know, so I’m waiting for my opportunity.”

NBC Sports Boston’s Phil Perry reported after the game that Bourne kept holding up one finger on the sideline after his big catch, as if to say “one target, one big play.” Bourne also appeared heated on the sideline after Nelson Algholor’s late fumble, and Jonnu Smith came over to help him calm down.

“[He is] somebody who is frustrated, would like to play more,” Perry said in a TV hit postgame. “And I can tell you his teammates — there are some that I’ve spoken to that would like to see him play more as well, and they are surprised they are not seeing more of Kendrick Bourne.”

I mean from this story he is both showing up the coaches with his one finger gesture (and perhaps also his qb). Then probably his teammate doesn’t like this reaction to fumble. Would probably be a trade candidate if this happens (or just forced to cut him).

Bad attitude will get you benched on any football team unless you are an elite player. Bourne needs to keep his mouth shut, his head right and perform like a star in practice. If he does that, he will get his playing time.

Belichick doesn't have issues benching players for whatever reasons. If your outspoken about your playing time publicly(or in the locker room) expect a benching. Bill sat Malcolm Butler in a SB and team captain Richard Seymour for taking too many days off for his father dying. So if Bourne is being a d!ck, he should expect being benched.

I'm just not sure that ruthless attitude will fly anymore if games aren't being won.

gouk, it's a tenet of football coaching in America and has been for like 70 years or more. It's not going to go away and I can assure you it happens on the down low across the NFL. One of the reasons some new head coaches don't last long is because they don't enforce the punishment of such behavior. They lose the locker room.

I don't see football coaches not enforcing bad attitude punishment of players any time soon.

The strict disciplinarians have to win or they lose the lockerroom.  I think that is what gouki was talking about.  You can be a harda** when you win, but if you stop winning it gets old real fast.

I have no problem with Bourne being disciplined. Don’t start him, keep him on the bench for the first Q. But to not play Kendrick until 5 mins to go in the 4th Q for two snaps when you’ve been trailing the whole game? That’s just arrogant. He was the Pats best WR last year and has very good chemistry with Mac. Bill’s decision in this case was detrimental to the team and the fact that Bourne converted for 40+ yards on one of the two opportunities he was given made it look that much worse.

I think this a terrible take. Think of it on basketball terms. If someone like White or Grant suddenly was benched for a couple games for having a bad attitude about his reps and playing time during games and/or practices, no one would care. Or maybe they have their role cut in half instead of racking up a DNP-CD. No one would care. That's what this is. Nothing more.

Yeah I’m strongly with Nick on this. If it was Marcus smart doing this (who is better than Bourne) we would expect him to be benched if he was holding up a one on the bench for only getting a shot or getting real aggravated visibly when white missed a shot. Let try to keep this realistic guys. Bourne is not good enough to act how he was acting and he would have been benched on the bruins, Red Sox or patriots for doing the same thing.

I would not expect Smart to get benched in an important game for holding up a “1” while sitting on the bench.Marcus also gets aggravated all the time. For example, calling out JT and JB for not passing enough during a postgame presser. Don’t recall him getting benched for that…

The Pats only play 17 games, every one of them is important and they were playing a beatable opponent. Also, Bourne holding up his pointer finger was after he missed essentially the entire game and made the 40 yard catch. Kendrick isn’t one of the top WR’s In the league; but he is the best the Pats have at the position and they could have used him for more than 2 plays yesterday.

Dude this is a pretty ridiculous argument. If Marcus smart put up one finger to complain he had only gotten one shot in the third quarter and brad saw it I highly doubt he would go back in the game. I’ve engaged with you for years, mostly agree with you on stuff and know you are smart enough to recognize the difference between a postgame presser and showing up your teammates and coach during the game (this is showing up the guys getting targets, the qb for who he is passing to and the coaching staff) Marcus of course would never do this cause he has been in the league for a long time and hasn’t showed up Brad, ime or any assistant coach during that time.  But that underscores what a ridiculous thing it is to do. Also Bourne is no kupp or Jordan Jefferson. He has actually had substantially less success than his teammate Parker. I get people are chomping at the hit to bash bill, but this definitely ain’t it.

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Bill's nepotism hiring pratices is killing this franchise from the top down. It's time for a strong gm and oversite. I like the coach but the decline in management of staff and talent evaluation is obvious.

I have always felt in football there are no rebuilds unless you are throwing out the coaching staff and gm. The team should not be this bad. In all honesty feels like Bill wants to leave and he is burning the franchise.

The Krafts needs to hire a "consultant/gm to be" now to start planning on the replacement of Bill and the entire staff. Also a secondary scout group. Just like Bill does to his players put some pressure on Bill and tell him he is getting too old for the job, that he is on the decline.

 Huge TP. Very well said.

It's actually a massive over reaction to one game.

The nepotism thing is kinda ridiculous given both sons have coached very well, have been with the team for a long while, winning Super Bowls in their time coaching there and are on the defensive side, the side playing quality ball. No one leaving the team has ever commented that either son was not equipped to do a good job or was a poor coach.

Also, this whole thing is over one loss, in Miami, in the summer, a place and time they historically, even with Brady, lose.

The team is rebuilding. They had a great draft last year. This one could be too. They have success turning undrafted and late in the draft players into great pieces. And while rebuilding, last year they were 10-7 and went to the playoffs. How many non-rebuilding teams can say that.

This board, and fans in general but especially on this board, are terribly impatient and don't want to wait to see how teams gel and perform as the year goes on(see Celtics, Boston 2021-22). I said earlier, this team multiple times has started 2-2 and won Super Bowls. They once started 5-5 and won a Super Bowl.

Have some patience. You can have your hot takes if the team starts 3-6 or 3-7.

 It's year three. With Absolutely no signs of improvement.  Bill's time is up. Would you be so bold to predict even one more ring for Bill? I'll guarantee he never wins without Tom.