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Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #165 on: October 11, 2022, 05:07:52 PM »

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I have not seen much to get excited about with Justin Jackson.  I know he hit a few shots in a preseason game against Charlotte's scrubs, but he might not be that hot again for a month.  Harkless does seem like a more established NBA player, but unfortunately, what he has established is that he is not all that good.  Interesting that both Jackson and Harkless were 15th picks in the draft.  Same range as Nesmith and Langford (who were both 14th picks).  I would take either over Harkless or Jackson.

I am not sure the Celtics even keep another wing.  Big depth seems like a more pressing need, but the open slot does seem to lean toward a wing.
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Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #166 on: October 11, 2022, 05:27:22 PM »

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With injuries to both Gallinari and RWill, that essentially means that our two 2-way contracts are going to start the season as active on the NBA roster filling in (I would think).  That means our active roster for the start of the season is currently (Assuming Vonleh makes it, just guessing Griffin maybe starts):

Smart         Pritchard       Davison (2W)
Brown         White   
Tatum         Brogdon        Hauser
Griffin         Gwilliams      Kabengele (2W)
Horford       Vonleh          Kornet

(RWill and Gallinari inactive)

I am actually fairly comfortable with Davison in a position where he might actually play, less so with Kabengele.  When RWill comes back, it is easy to just send Kabengele to Maine.  Not sure we need to worry about Gallinari coming back, in spite of the reporting today.  The remaining slot does seem open to a SG type or a SG/SF hybrid.  It could also look like this:

Smart         White           Pritchard
Brown         Brogdon       Davison (2W)
Tatum         Hauser         
Griffin         Gwilliams      Kabengele (2W)
Horford       Vonleh          Kornet

The need ends up being about the same.  If another decent vet big becomes available, just cut Kornet.

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #167 on: October 11, 2022, 06:47:29 PM »

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With injuries to both Gallinari and RWill, that essentially means that our two 2-way contracts are going to start the season as active on the NBA roster filling in (I would think).  That means our active roster for the start of the season is currently (Assuming Vonleh makes it, just guessing Griffin maybe starts):

Smart         Pritchard       Davison (2W)
Brown         White   
Tatum         Brogdon        Hauser
Griffin         Gwilliams      Kabengele (2W)
Horford       Vonleh          Kornet

(RWill and Gallinari inactive)

I am actually fairly comfortable with Davison in a position where he might actually play, less so with Kabengele.  When RWill comes back, it is easy to just send Kabengele to Maine.  Not sure we need to worry about Gallinari coming back, in spite of the reporting today.  The remaining slot does seem open to a SG type or a SG/SF hybrid.  It could also look like this:

Smart         White           Pritchard
Brown         Brogdon       Davison (2W)
Tatum         Hauser         
Griffin         Gwilliams      Kabengele (2W)
Horford       Vonleh          Kornet

The need ends up being about the same.  If another decent vet big becomes available, just cut Kornet.
Until Rob gets back it is going to take some coaching

Smart 32, White 8, Pritchard 8
Brown 12, Brogdon 19, White 17
Tatum 12, Brown 21, Houser 8, Brogdon 7
Grant 26, Tatum 22
Horford 28, Griffin 12, Vonleh/Kornet 8

Smart 32
Brown 33
Tatum 34
G.Williams 26
Horford 28
Brogdon 26
White 25
Griffin 12
Pritchard 8
Houser 8
Vonleh/Kornet 8
Kornet/Vonleh 0
? 0

R.Williams III 0
Gallanari 0

Kabengele 0
Davison 0

When Al is out on back to backs the other of Vonleh/Kornet is going to play.
You can try to increase minutes to eliminate a guy from the rotation, but I don't think we want to play anyone much more than my guess.
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Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #168 on: October 13, 2022, 11:18:00 AM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

There are two spots.  Are any of these eligible for 2-way deals?  I don't think so.  All have more than 4 years in the NBA.  With RWill and Gallinari out for extended periods, both 2-way slots will probably start out on the NBA active roster, essentially on the team.  Shows that the 2-way deals are not just throw in slots.  Davison and Kabengele could actually be needed to play if people get sick or something.

I think Vonleh is probably in.  Layman and Jackson are both 6'-8", Layman 1 year older at 28.  Both forwards but Layman more PF, Jackson more wing.  I don't think I have seen Layman play much.  He has 25 minutes in two preseason games but I must have missed all of it.  Not sure it makes much difference.  Jackson may fit the need more.  He can back up Hauser as a wing probably better than Layman can.

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #169 on: October 13, 2022, 11:22:34 AM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

There are two spots.  Are any of these eligible for 2-way deals?  I don't think so.  All have more than 4 years in the NBA.  With RWill and Gallinari out for extended periods, both 2-way slots will probably start out on the NBA active roster, essentially on the team.  Shows that the 2-way deals are not just throw in slots.  Davison and Kabengele could actually be needed to play if people get sick or something.

I think Vonleh is probably in.  Layman and Jackson are both 6'-8", Layman 1 year older at 28.  Both forwards but Layman more PF, Jackson more wing.  I don't think I have seen Layman play much.  He has 25 minutes in two preseason games but I must have missed all of it.  Not sure it makes much difference.  Jackson may fit the need more.  He can back up Hauser as a wing probably better than Layman can.

Jared Weiss hypothesized that Vonleh is likely in, as the Celtics let him talk to the press at the podium, which is normally a sign that you’re on the team.  That seems like a pretty valid hypothesis to me.  Jackson and Layman have not had such an opportunity, so it’s between them and leaving the roster open/signing someone who is cut elsewhere for the last spot.

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #170 on: October 13, 2022, 11:31:40 AM »

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With TimeLord injury history, Vonleh is a lock to be on the team
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #171 on: October 13, 2022, 11:36:24 AM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

There are two spots.  Are any of these eligible for 2-way deals?  I don't think so.  All have more than 4 years in the NBA.  With RWill and Gallinari out for extended periods, both 2-way slots will probably start out on the NBA active roster, essentially on the team.  Shows that the 2-way deals are not just throw in slots.  Davison and Kabengele could actually be needed to play if people get sick or something.

I think Vonleh is probably in.  Layman and Jackson are both 6'-8", Layman 1 year older at 28.  Both forwards but Layman more PF, Jackson more wing.  I don't think I have seen Layman play much.  He has 25 minutes in two preseason games but I must have missed all of it.  Not sure it makes much difference.  Jackson may fit the need more.  He can back up Hauser as a wing probably better than Layman can.

Jared Weiss hypothesized that Vonleh is likely in, as the Celtics let him talk to the press at the podium, which is normally a sign that you’re on the team.  That seems like a pretty valid hypothesis to me.  Jackson and Layman have not had such an opportunity, so it’s between them and leaving the roster open/signing someone who is cut elsewhere for the last spot.

Maurice Harkless is out there still I believe (didn't see that he got picked up).  He is probably better than either Jackson or Layman.  Harkless is 6'-9", 29 years old.  More of a wing but has the size to offer some defensive versatility.

I actually like the contrast of Harkless to Hauser.  Harkless more of a reliable defender, Hauser the one dimensional 3-pt shooter.  Put them together and you have a really good player.  Lots of mix and match options.

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #172 on: October 13, 2022, 11:40:19 AM »

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With TimeLord injury history, Vonleh is a lock to be on the team

And I think Vonleh has played well.  I think he is going to prove to be a useful player at absolutely a position of need and a position with ongoing durability issues up and down the depth chart.

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #173 on: October 13, 2022, 12:15:26 PM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

There are two spots.  Are any of these eligible for 2-way deals?  I don't think so.  All have more than 4 years in the NBA.  With RWill and Gallinari out for extended periods, both 2-way slots will probably start out on the NBA active roster, essentially on the team.  Shows that the 2-way deals are not just throw in slots.  Davison and Kabengele could actually be needed to play if people get sick or something.

I think Vonleh is probably in.  Layman and Jackson are both 6'-8", Layman 1 year older at 28.  Both forwards but Layman more PF, Jackson more wing.  I don't think I have seen Layman play much.  He has 25 minutes in two preseason games but I must have missed all of it.  Not sure it makes much difference.  Jackson may fit the need more.  He can back up Hauser as a wing probably better than Layman can.

Jared Weiss hypothesized that Vonleh is likely in, as the Celtics let him talk to the press at the podium, which is normally a sign that you’re on the team.  That seems like a pretty valid hypothesis to me.  Jackson and Layman have not had such an opportunity, so it’s between them and leaving the roster open/signing someone who is cut elsewhere for the last spot.
Jackson has had a surprising amount of run in pre-season, Layman not so much. I thought Jackson was a goner, but suddenly found his range in the 2nd half of that last game. Both have bounced around for a while, but then Vonleh has as well. I'd like to see more Layman tomorrow night.
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Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #174 on: October 13, 2022, 02:41:15 PM »

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Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #175 on: October 13, 2022, 03:42:02 PM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

There are two spots.  Are any of these eligible for 2-way deals?  I don't think so.  All have more than 4 years in the NBA.  With RWill and Gallinari out for extended periods, both 2-way slots will probably start out on the NBA active roster, essentially on the team.  Shows that the 2-way deals are not just throw in slots.  Davison and Kabengele could actually be needed to play if people get sick or something.

I think Vonleh is probably in.  Layman and Jackson are both 6'-8", Layman 1 year older at 28.  Both forwards but Layman more PF, Jackson more wing.  I don't think I have seen Layman play much.  He has 25 minutes in two preseason games but I must have missed all of it.  Not sure it makes much difference.  Jackson may fit the need more.  He can back up Hauser as a wing probably better than Layman can.

Jared Weiss hypothesized that Vonleh is likely in, as the Celtics let him talk to the press at the podium, which is normally a sign that you’re on the team.  That seems like a pretty valid hypothesis to me.  Jackson and Layman have not had such an opportunity, so it’s between them and leaving the roster open/signing someone who is cut elsewhere for the last spot.
Jackson has had a surprising amount of run in pre-season, Layman not so much. I thought Jackson was a goner, but suddenly found his range in the 2nd half of that last game. Both have bounced around for a while, but then Vonleh has as well. I'd like to see more Layman tomorrow night.

From what I've seen of game film I thought that Laymen was the best defender of the 3 but I trust Brad to make the correct call.

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #176 on: October 14, 2022, 03:44:38 PM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

Any final predictions?  I guess Eric Demers is actually on an E10 contract right now also.

I am a little surprised that they haven't finalized a deal with Vonleh.  Seems to be they are keeping their options open just in case.   Vonleh is the consensus for the last big slot.  I must say, neither Jackson or Layman excite me that much for the final wing slot.  Why not get Moe Harkless?

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« Reply #177 on: October 14, 2022, 03:48:59 PM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

Any final predictions?  I guess Eric Demers is actually on an E10 contract right now also.

I am a little surprised that they haven't finalized a deal with Vonleh.  Seems to be they are keeping their options open just in case.   Vonleh is the consensus for the last big slot.  I must say, neither Jackson or Layman excite me that much for the final wing slot.  Why not get Moe Harkless?

There's no deal to finalize with Vonleh (or any of the others).  All training camp contracts are one-year non-guaranteed minimum contracts.  He's on the roster until he isn't.

As for Harkless, he literally just cleared waivers this afternoon.  I'm sure he'll sign somewhere before long, and he'll pick the place that gives him the most playing time.  That might be Boston, but it might not be.

Re: The last three roster spots will be determined in training camp
« Reply #178 on: October 14, 2022, 04:05:49 PM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

Any final predictions?  I guess Eric Demers is actually on an E10 contract right now also.

I am a little surprised that they haven't finalized a deal with Vonleh.  Seems to be they are keeping their options open just in case.   Vonleh is the consensus for the last big slot.  I must say, neither Jackson or Layman excite me that much for the final wing slot.  Why not get Moe Harkless?

There's no deal to finalize with Vonleh (or any of the others).  All training camp contracts are one-year non-guaranteed minimum contracts.  He's on the roster until he isn't.

As for Harkless, he literally just cleared waivers this afternoon.  I'm sure he'll sign somewhere before long, and he'll pick the place that gives him the most playing time.  That might be Boston, but it might not be.

OK, I guess that makes sense on Vonleh.  And I didn't realize that Harkless was still clearing waivers.  (Other than that, I am all over it  ;)  )

For Harkless, not sure he gets much playing time anywhere.  On the Celtics, he could slot ahead of Hauser and sort of behind Tatum as a SF.  That might result in some regular playing time, but not a ton.  He played 18 min last season with SAC.  In the 20-24 min range most of his career.  Probably not going to get that in Boston but not sure he gets that anywhere.

An interesting possibility, for sure.

FWIW, he has made $65.7M in his NBA career.  Wow.

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« Reply #179 on: October 14, 2022, 04:09:53 PM »

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The remaining players are:

Vonleh
Layman
Jackson

Any final predictions?  I guess Eric Demers is actually on an E10 contract right now also.

I am a little surprised that they haven't finalized a deal with Vonleh.  Seems to be they are keeping their options open just in case.   Vonleh is the consensus for the last big slot.  I must say, neither Jackson or Layman excite me that much for the final wing slot.  Why not get Moe Harkless?

There's no deal to finalize with Vonleh (or any of the others).  All training camp contracts are one-year non-guaranteed minimum contracts.  He's on the roster until he isn't.

As for Harkless, he literally just cleared waivers this afternoon.  I'm sure he'll sign somewhere before long, and he'll pick the place that gives him the most playing time.  That might be Boston, but it might not be.

OK, I guess that makes sense on Vonleh.  And I didn't realize that Harkless was still clearing waivers.  (Other than that, I am all over it  ;)  )

For Harkless, not sure he gets much playing time anywhere.  On the Celtics, he could slot ahead of Hauser and sort of behind Tatum as a SF.  That might result in some regular playing time, but not a ton.  He played 18 min last season with SAC.  In the 20-24 min range most of his career.  Probably not going to get that in Boston but not sure he gets that anywhere.

An interesting possibility, for sure.

Yeah, I don't think he gets much anywhere, and I’m not sure he slots in ahead of Hauser even.  I’m sure he’d get a chance to see the floor some evenings, but I don’t think he’d come here and be in the opening night rotation.  He’d have to earn that in practice and spot appearances first.