Poll on Brown and Durant

[Vermont Green]

It may be a little confusing but I set this up as a two part poll.  Please select one of Options 1-3 and then one of Options 4-5 (two picks total).  I am trying to kill two birds with one stone.

Let's see how it works.

[celticinorlando]

I’m 100 percent in favor of moving brown out for KD. It’s the other pieces going that concern me

[Vermont Green]

I’m 100 percent in favor of moving brown out for KD. It’s the other pieces going that concern me

And on part 2 of the poll?

[keevsnick]

On Brown resigning:

I think people just in general are WAAAAY to pessimistic about Brown resigning. The guy has said nothing publicly outside of "I want to be here" and "I want to win." The history of players leaving teams that A) true contenders and B) Can offer them the most money is ridiculously small. The last decade its basically been Kawhi (who was rumored for about two years to want to play in LA) and before that KD (who was a contender, but also on a team clearly not as good as GSW). 

Like especially if Jaylen makes All-NBA one of the next two years and is eligible for supermax. i would kind of be stunned if he leaves a TON of money on the table to go play for probably a worse team just so he can what, take two extra shots a game? I dont see it.

[Atzar]

No idea what's going on between Jaylen and the franchise.  I'm not privy to those discussions and I don't think his social media comments and "likes" are indicative of much in that regard either.

My interest in the deal is heavily contingent on the answer to that question, though.  I'd prefer to roll with our guys.  But if Jaylen really wants out, it's hard for me to imagine doing much better than KD in return unless Brooklyn succeeds in fleecing us for half of the franchise in the process.  But if the other pieces in the deal are reasonable, then I'm fine with it. 

[keevsnick]

Second point:

This is clearly from the Nets side. The last two years no trade Boston has done has leaked. Horford for Kemba? No. White? Shocking. Brogdon. Out of nowhere. And Boston has every reason not to want it out there if there offering Brown for Durant. Which tells you pretty clearly this is the nets leaking a trade proposal to try to drum up support for a guy who just hasn't generated the interest they were hoping for.

[Vermont Green]

Second point:

This is clearly from the Nets side. The last two years no trade Boston has done has leaked. Horford for Kemba? No. White? Shocking. Brogdon. Out of nowhere. And Boston has every reason not to want it out there if there offering Brown for Durant. Which tells you pretty clearly this is the nets leaking a trade proposal to try to drum up support for a guy who just hasn't generated the interest they were hoping for.

Good point, but the Celtics are only one half of the potential leak.  This could be true and the Nets are leaking it to drive up the market for Durant.  Or this may not be true at all.  As fans, you just never know.  I am still categorizing this as routine off season rumor mill.  It is reasonable enough to potentially be true but probably still speculative dot connecting by a reporter.

[Roy H.]

I’d do Brown + White + Grant + two #1s + two swaps for Durant + Curry

Final offer.  Initially I would not have gone that high, but with JB’s name out there I think there’s some urgency to make this happen.

[Kernewek]

I’d do Brown + White + Grant + two #1s + two swaps for Durant + Curry

Final offer.  Initially I would not have gone that high, but with JB’s name out there I think there’s some urgency to make this happen.

This post threw me for a loop because today I woke up and forgot that Seth Curry exists

[td450]

Second point:

This is clearly from the Nets side. The last two years no trade Boston has done has leaked. Horford for Kemba? No. White? Shocking. Brogdon. Out of nowhere. And Boston has every reason not to want it out there if there offering Brown for Durant. Which tells you pretty clearly this is the nets leaking a trade proposal to try to drum up support for a guy who just hasn't generated the interest they were hoping for.

I don't know about that. Woj didn't get his reputation by going with a single source, and certainly he would have asked for comment from the C's. This does not feel like the way Stevens would operate, but it is hard to imagine Woj getting played too.

[wdleehi]

Unless Brown has told the Celtics he doesn't want to resign in the future, don't trade Brown for Durant.   


I know Durant is the more talented player but he is also the older player who has missed a lot of games since his Achilles injury.   

[Celtics2021]

Second point:

This is clearly from the Nets side. The last two years no trade Boston has done has leaked. Horford for Kemba? No. White? Shocking. Brogdon. Out of nowhere. And Boston has every reason not to want it out there if there offering Brown for Durant. Which tells you pretty clearly this is the nets leaking a trade proposal to try to drum up support for a guy who just hasn't generated the interest they were hoping for.

I don't know about that. Woj didn't get his reputation by going with a single source, and certainly he would have asked for comment from the C's. This does not feel like the way Stevens would operate, but it is hard to imagine Woj getting played too.

Woj all the times puts out info from a single side.  Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a real discussion, but it also doesn’t mean that his source didn’t put the spin on it that’s most favorable to their purposes.  For instance, was this an offer made in the last two days, or something made four weeks ago when Durant first became available?  Were there other components to the offer that may have involved the now-expired TPE, but are not being reported?  We don’t know, and Woj doesn’t need to know because his job is to drive traffic to ESPN, and this rumor does just that.  He just needs what he’s being told to be true, even if there is undisclosed context that would be important.

[keevsnick]

Second point:

This is clearly from the Nets side. The last two years no trade Boston has done has leaked. Horford for Kemba? No. White? Shocking. Brogdon. Out of nowhere. And Boston has every reason not to want it out there if there offering Brown for Durant. Which tells you pretty clearly this is the nets leaking a trade proposal to try to drum up support for a guy who just hasn't generated the interest they were hoping for.

I don't know about that. Woj didn't get his reputation by going with a single source, and certainly he would have asked for comment from the C's. This does not feel like the way Stevens would operate, but it is hard to imagine Woj getting played too.

With all due respect, Woj and Shams allow themselves to be "played" all the time. They report things they know are very unlikely just in order to curry favor with teams, players, agents literally all the time. That's how they get scoops.

I'm not saying the report is inaccurate, just that there's absolutely no reason for the Celtics to have leaked this or for them to confirm it to woj/shams and every reason for the nets to leak it.

But lets be clear here, teams do this sort of thing all the time. There is immense value to throwing out that you've been offered "x" package for Durant, it sets the bar other teams have to beat at x. TOR can't sit there with OG/Trent/ and some firsts if Jaylen Brown is on the table.

[Roy H.]

Second point:

This is clearly from the Nets side. The last two years no trade Boston has done has leaked. Horford for Kemba? No. White? Shocking. Brogdon. Out of nowhere. And Boston has every reason not to want it out there if there offering Brown for Durant. Which tells you pretty clearly this is the nets leaking a trade proposal to try to drum up support for a guy who just hasn't generated the interest they were hoping for.

I don't know about that. Woj didn't get his reputation by going with a single source, and certainly he would have asked for comment from the C's. This does not feel like the way Stevens would operate, but it is hard to imagine Woj getting played too.

Woj all the times puts out info from a single side.  Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a real discussion, but it also doesn’t mean that his source didn’t put the spin on it that’s most favorable to their purposes.  For instance, was this an offer made in the last two days, or something made four weeks ago when Durant first became available?  Were there other components to the offer that may have involved the now-expired TPE, but are not being reported?  We don’t know, and Woj doesn’t need to know because his job is to drive traffic to ESPN, and this rumor does just that.  He just needs what he’s being told to be true, even if there is undisclosed context that would be important.

Shams is more specific in his reporting.  You're correct that we don't know if some information is being held back, but if Shams is accurate (he usually is) we know that Boston initiated the talks, and made a specific offer that included JB, White and a #1. 

Maybe the Nets threw that out there because they're communicating that that is the new floor in communications.  But, I do think that communicating through the media is a little overblown, at least regarding getting that information out to other front offices.  If Brooklyn wants Toronto to know that JB is on the table, they'll tell Toronto outright.

[RJ87]

Second point:

This is clearly from the Nets side. The last two years no trade Boston has done has leaked. Horford for Kemba? No. White? Shocking. Brogdon. Out of nowhere. And Boston has every reason not to want it out there if there offering Brown for Durant. Which tells you pretty clearly this is the nets leaking a trade proposal to try to drum up support for a guy who just hasn't generated the interest they were hoping for.

I don't know about that. Woj didn't get his reputation by going with a single source, and certainly he would have asked for comment from the C's. This does not feel like the way Stevens would operate, but it is hard to imagine Woj getting played too.

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