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[Goldstar88]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakam is not a good shooter, career 32% from 3pt. The C’s shoot a ton of 3’s.  His numbers are inflated being the number one option on Toronto and He’s also going to be 29 next season. Will take 25 year old JB everyday of the week.

I love nonsense phrases like "his numbers are inflated by being the number one option". What exactly is inflated by being a #1 option? He's been the lead guy on low 50 / high 40 win teams, and that is somehow a knock?

He shoots less, turns it over at a lesser rate and generates more assists. That indicates he'd be more suitable to a complementary role (which we have evidence of historically).

I don't really care about this debate, but people jumping up and down about the statement that Brown and Siakam are of essentially equal value make me laugh.

If Brown was on that Toronto team, I think he’d average 27ppg. He’s just a better shooter and scorer than Siakam, especially from 3pt which is really important. JB hasn’t even entered his prime. The age descrepency is large. Siakam and Brown are not equivalent value.

[Roy H.]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakam is not a good shooter, career 32% from 3pt. The C’s shoot a ton of 3’s.  His numbers are inflated being the number one option on Toronto and He’s also going to be 29 next season. Will take 25 year old JB everyday of the week.

I love nonsense phrases like "his numbers are inflated by being the number one option". What exactly is inflated by being a #1 option? He's been the lead guy on low 50 / high 40 win teams, and that is somehow a knock?

He shoots less, turns it over at a lesser rate and generates more assists. That indicates he'd be more suitable to a complementary role (which we have evidence of historically).

I don't really care about this debate, but people jumping up and down about the statement that Brown and Siakam are of essentially equal value make me laugh.

If Brown was on that Toronto team, I think he’d average 27ppg. He’s just a better shooter and scorer than Siakam, especially from 3pt which is really important. JB hasn’t even entered his prime. The age descrepency is large. I agree, Siakam and Brown are not equivalent value.

I would agree, they're not equivalent.  They're relatively close, but JB is better, and younger.  Siakam does get credit for stepping up and helping lead his team to a title, something that JB hasn't accomplished yet.

But, there's a second part of the equation, OG Anunoby vs. Derrick White.  How do you compare those two?

[Goldstar88]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakam is not a good shooter, career 32% from 3pt. The C’s shoot a ton of 3’s.  His numbers are inflated being the number one option on Toronto and He’s also going to be 29 next season. Will take 25 year old JB everyday of the week.

I love nonsense phrases like "his numbers are inflated by being the number one option". What exactly is inflated by being a #1 option? He's been the lead guy on low 50 / high 40 win teams, and that is somehow a knock?

He shoots less, turns it over at a lesser rate and generates more assists. That indicates he'd be more suitable to a complementary role (which we have evidence of historically).

I don't really care about this debate, but people jumping up and down about the statement that Brown and Siakam are of essentially equal value make me laugh.

If Brown was on that Toronto team, I think he’d average 27ppg. He’s just a better shooter and scorer than Siakam, especially from 3pt which is really important. JB hasn’t even entered his prime. The age descrepency is large. I agree, Siakam and Brown are not equivalent value.

I would agree, they're not equivalent.  They're relatively close, but JB is better, and younger.  Siakam does get credit for stepping up and helping lead his team to a title, something that JB hasn't accomplished yet.

But, there's a second part of the equation, OG Anunoby vs. Derrick White.  How do you compare those two?

He has more value than White, but It’s not enough to make it worthwhile for the C’s to give up the best player (Brown)in that deal. OG also has a player option year after next and will likely be an UFA where I’d assume he’s going to be looking for a large increase in salary. White is under contract for a year longer.

[gouki88]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakam is not a good shooter, career 32% from 3pt. The C’s shoot a ton of 3’s.  His numbers are inflated being the number one option on Toronto and He’s also going to be 29 next season. Will take 25 year old JB everyday of the week.

I love nonsense phrases like "his numbers are inflated by being the number one option". What exactly is inflated by being a #1 option? He's been the lead guy on low 50 / high 40 win teams, and that is somehow a knock?

He shoots less, turns it over at a lesser rate and generates more assists. That indicates he'd be more suitable to a complementary role (which we have evidence of historically).

I don't really care about this debate, but people jumping up and down about the statement that Brown and Siakam are of essentially equal value make me laugh.

If Brown was on that Toronto team, I think he’d average 27ppg. He’s just a better shooter and scorer than Siakam, especially from 3pt which is really important. JB hasn’t even entered his prime. The age descrepency is large. I agree, Siakam and Brown are not equivalent value.

I would agree, they're not equivalent.  They're relatively close, but JB is better, and younger.  Siakam does get credit for stepping up and helping lead his team to a title, something that JB hasn't accomplished yet.

But, there's a second part of the equation, OG Anunoby vs. Derrick White.  How do you compare those two?

He has more value than White, but It’s not enough to make it worthwhile for the C’s to give up the best player (Brown)in that deal. OG also has a player option year after next and will likely be an UFA where I’d assume he’s going to be looking for a large increase in salary. White is under contract for a year longer.

White is under contract, at a significant overpay.

[liam]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakam is not a good shooter, career 32% from 3pt. The C’s shoot a ton of 3’s.  His numbers are inflated being the number one option on Toronto and He’s also going to be 29 next season. Will take 25 year old JB everyday of the week.

I love nonsense phrases like "his numbers are inflated by being the number one option". What exactly is inflated by being a #1 option? He's been the lead guy on low 50 / high 40 win teams, and that is somehow a knock?

He shoots less, turns it over at a lesser rate and generates more assists. That indicates he'd be more suitable to a complementary role (which we have evidence of historically).

I don't really care about this debate, but people jumping up and down about the statement that Brown and Siakam are of essentially equal value make me laugh.

If Brown was on that Toronto team, I think he’d average 27ppg. He’s just a better shooter and scorer than Siakam, especially from 3pt which is really important. JB hasn’t even entered his prime. The age descrepency is large. I agree, Siakam and Brown are not equivalent value.

I would agree, they're not equivalent.  They're relatively close, but JB is better, and younger.  Siakam does get credit for stepping up and helping lead his team to a title, something that JB hasn't accomplished yet.

But, there's a second part of the equation, OG Anunoby vs. Derrick White.  How do you compare those two?

He has more value than White, but It’s not enough to make it worthwhile for the C’s to give up the best player (Brown)in that deal. OG also has a player option year after next and will likely be an UFA where I’d assume he’s going to be looking for a large increase in salary. White is under contract for a year longer.

Yeah, you don't want to give the best player in the deal.

[Roy H.]

“Chemistry is half the battle. You can have a great team with great talent, and not necessarily jell well together,” suggested the Duke product via NBC Sports Boston. “The guys … we figured it out in January, and never looked back.”

Tatum’s opinion seems clear.

[tenn_smoothie]

“Chemistry is half the battle. You can have a great team with great talent, and not necessarily jell well together,” suggested the Duke product via NBC Sports Boston. “The guys … we figured it out in January, and never looked back.”

Tatum’s opinion seems clear.

I haven't seen any comments about how this trade would affect the remaining players, most of whom consider Brown one of their homegrown Celtic brothers, so to speak. I think this move would do damage to this group's psyche.

Right now, they feel like they are in this together and are determined to get over that title hump. Selling our soul for a moody hired gun would do harm to that chemistry Tatum talked about and who obviously has been through enough here to know. We also thought Kyrie was going to take us to the promised land and the guy destroyed the locker room of a previously happy team who played for each other.

[Vermont Green]

I find the contrast of Toronto not willing to trade Barnes and the Celtics at least willing to discuss trading Brown interesting. I see Brown as a much better player than Barnes. Barnes shot 30% from three. Maybe I am missing some thing with Barnes.  Brown was 34% from three his rookie season.

[gouki88]

I find the contrast of Toronto not willing to trade Barnes and the Celtics at least willing to discuss trading Brown interesting. I see Brown as a much better player than Barnes. Barnes shot 30% from three. Maybe I am missing some thing with Barnes.  Brown was 34% from three his rookie season.

Why leave the comparison at rookie 3PT %?

Jaylen Brown as a 20 year-old rookie averaged 7/3/1 on 45/34/69 shooting, playing on a 53 win team. Barnes averaged 15/8/4 on 49/30/74 shooting, playing on a 48 win team.

Brown is obviously the better player now, but Barnes was an amazing rookie with all the physical gifts one could ask for.

[BringToughnessBack]

JKJB! I really want to see what the two of our main stars can do on same team for a decade. The injury risk to Durant at that age is too much for me as well. He might age well but he might not. Brown is a beast and meant to stay in Green.

[ozgod]

“Chemistry is half the battle. You can have a great team with great talent, and not necessarily jell well together,” suggested the Duke product via NBC Sports Boston. “The guys … we figured it out in January, and never looked back.”

Tatum’s opinion seems clear.

I haven't seen any comments about how this trade would affect the remaining players, most of whom consider Brown one of their homegrown Celtic brothers, so to speak. I think this move would do damage to this group's psyche.

Right now, they feel like they are in this together and are determined to get over that title hump. Selling our soul for a moody hired gun would do harm to that chemistry Tatum talked about and who obviously has been through enough here to know. We also thought Kyrie was going to take us to the promised land and the guy destroyed the locker room of a previously happy team who played for each other.

People don't talk about the chemistry side enough in my opinion. You can have a team of champions that ends up not becoming a champion team if they aren't all pulling in the right direction and playing for each other instead of for themselves. Like our Cryrie led team that ended up with the whole being less than the sum of the parts because there was no leader and no hierarchy and everyone playing for their own numbers and minutes. It's always risky messing with chemistry. It's one thing to add complementary pieces that can support the whole, it's another to add a superstar that could disrupt the team's mindset and hierarchy. Brogdon and Gallo have made it clear they are here to support and win, not get their numbers or minutes. Just like Ray when he had to sacrifice his numbers when he came here as well. Would KD be willing to do that?

[Sophomore]

I find the contrast of Toronto not willing to trade Barnes and the Celtics at least willing to discuss trading Brown interesting. I see Brown as a much better player than Barnes. Barnes shot 30% from three. Maybe I am missing some thing with Barnes.  Brown was 34% from three his rookie season.

Why leave the comparison at rookie 3PT %?

Jaylen Brown as a 20 year-old rookie averaged 7/3/1 on 45/34/69 shooting, playing on a 53 win team. Barnes averaged 15/8/4 on 49/30/74 shooting, playing on a 48 win team.

Brown is obviously the better player now, but Barnes was an amazing rookie with all the physical gifts one could ask for.

Agreed. And Barnes’ on-ball defense at least as good, his team defense looks quite a bit better. His raw talent is very impressive. His future looks like all-NBA, if he keeps developing.

[Vermont Green]

I find the contrast of Toronto not willing to trade Barnes and the Celtics at least willing to discuss trading Brown interesting. I see Brown as a much better player than Barnes. Barnes shot 30% from three. Maybe I am missing some thing with Barnes.  Brown was 34% from three his rookie season.

Why leave the comparison at rookie 3PT %?

Jaylen Brown as a 20 year-old rookie averaged 7/3/1 on 45/34/69 shooting, playing on a 53 win team. Barnes averaged 15/8/4 on 49/30/74 shooting, playing on a 48 win team.

Brown is obviously the better player now, but Barnes was an amazing rookie with all the physical gifts one could ask for.

Agreed. And Barnes’ on-ball defense at least as good, his team defense looks quite a bit better. His raw talent is very impressive. His future looks like all-NBA, if he keeps developing.

I get that Barnes is a promising young player but say both were on the Celtics and you were the GM. Would you trade Brown for Durant but not trade Barnes?   So Barnes is more equivalent to Tatum? 

I find it surprising that Toronto puts that kind of value on Barnes. 

[Roy H.]

I find the contrast of Toronto not willing to trade Barnes and the Celtics at least willing to discuss trading Brown interesting. I see Brown as a much better player than Barnes. Barnes shot 30% from three. Maybe I am missing some thing with Barnes.  Brown was 34% from three his rookie season.

Why leave the comparison at rookie 3PT %?

Jaylen Brown as a 20 year-old rookie averaged 7/3/1 on 45/34/69 shooting, playing on a 53 win team. Barnes averaged 15/8/4 on 49/30/74 shooting, playing on a 48 win team.

Brown is obviously the better player now, but Barnes was an amazing rookie with all the physical gifts one could ask for.

Agreed. And Barnes’ on-ball defense at least as good, his team defense looks quite a bit better. His raw talent is very impressive. His future looks like all-NBA, if he keeps developing.

I get that Barnes is a promising young player but say both were on the Celtics and you were the GM. Would you trade Brown for Durant but not trade Barnes?   So Barnes is more equivalent to Tatum? 

I find it surprising that Toronto puts that kind of value on Barnes.

Keep in mind the rookie salary / team control aspect.

[Vermont Green]

I find the contrast of Toronto not willing to trade Barnes and the Celtics at least willing to discuss trading Brown interesting. I see Brown as a much better player than Barnes. Barnes shot 30% from three. Maybe I am missing some thing with Barnes.  Brown was 34% from three his rookie season.

Why leave the comparison at rookie 3PT %?

Jaylen Brown as a 20 year-old rookie averaged 7/3/1 on 45/34/69 shooting, playing on a 53 win team. Barnes averaged 15/8/4 on 49/30/74 shooting, playing on a 48 win team.

Brown is obviously the better player now, but Barnes was an amazing rookie with all the physical gifts one could ask for.

Agreed. And Barnes’ on-ball defense at least as good, his team defense looks quite a bit better. His raw talent is very impressive. His future looks like all-NBA, if he keeps developing.

I get that Barnes is a promising young player but say both were on the Celtics and you were the GM. Would you trade Brown for Durant but not trade Barnes?   So Barnes is more equivalent to Tatum? 

I find it surprising that Toronto puts that kind of value on Barnes.

Keep in mind the rookie salary / team control aspect.

So you agree?  You would include Brown in a trade for Durant but not Barnes?  It does not surprise you that Toronto has drawn a red line at Barnes?

I guess it may be more that Toronto has so many options.  If the rumors are true (and I doubt they are) it was reported that the Celtics would do Brown and White but not Brown and Smart.  I guess that isn't that they wouldn't trade Smart.  Maybe it was more like that for Toronto.  They would trade Siakam and Anunoby but not Siakam and Barnes, something like that.  It isn't how it is being reported though.