New Celtics / Durant rumor

[gouki88]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

[Roy H.]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Is it better if you swap Timelord and Horford?

[Csfan1984]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakaame is not as good as Brown and Anunoby is overrated. The diffrrence between Anunoby and White is the same between Brown and Siacum

[gouki88]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakaame is not as good as Brown and Anunoby is overrated. The diffrrence between Anunoby and White is the same between Brown and Siacum

How is Siakam not as good as Brown? How is Anunoby overrated?

[Csfan1984]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakaame is not as good as Brown and Anunoby is overrated. The diffrrence between Anunoby and White is the same between Brown and Siacum

How is Siakam not as good as Brown? How is Anunoby overrated?

Sekam is not as good offensively or defensively as Brown. Also watch them play and it's clear Seckum isn't the athlete either. Not sure how many more ways to explain that he isn't as good. The only plus over Brown is he is bigger that's it.

Anunoby is an injury waiting to happen and he isn't consistent. He is a roleplayer despite borderline all star talent. He can't keep it together just ask fustrated Raptors fans that put him in a dozen trade scenarios every year. He is their Jeff Green.

[byennie]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakaame is not as good as Brown and Anunoby is overrated. The diffrrence between Anunoby and White is the same between Brown and Siacum

How is Siakam not as good as Brown? How is Anunoby overrated?

Sekam is not as good offensively or defensively as Brown. Also watch them play and it's clear Seckum isn't the athlete either. Not sure how many more ways to explain that he isn't as good. The only plus over Brown is he is bigger that's it.

Anunoby is an injury waiting to happen and he isn't consistent. He is a roleplayer despite borderline all star talent. He can't keep it together just ask fustrated Raptors fans that put him in a dozen trade scenarios every year. He is their Jeff Green.

I have to agree with this.

Siakam is a good player, but numbers don't tell the whole story. Brown is a significantly better outside shooter. His ceiling is 40% on high volume (37% career). Siakam is 33% for his career, and his career best was 37%. Brown is 3 years younger and has the ability to put up 25+ per night for many years to come. Put him on Toronto and he'd probably average high 20s right now. Siakam played a full 5 minutes more every night, and couldn't crack 23 on a team with no clear #1 option. Siakam has the length on defense to cause some problems, but as a wiry PF/C, he's not always a big plus. Brown is stronger and more athletic and still has the 7 foot wingspan, but can play "up" to SG as well as SF/PF.

In short, nothing wrong with Siakam, but I don't think there's a team in the league that would take him over Brown. Age, talent, production all favor our guy.

OG vs White is a little harder to me. He's clearly a level or two below Brown and Siakam, and had some of the same issues in Toronto. A lot of mid-tier talents playing big minutes to get their 15 PPG. On paper, he's doing more than White, so I could see preferring him. If you believe the metrics that White is an elite defender and decision maker, though, I think the gap closes entirely.

Brown is clearly the gem in this trade, though, and I can't imagine flipping him in this deal even if you're low on White.

[nickagneta]

Siakam and Brown have very similar stats and similar effects on the game. Who is better is debatable.

But, I will say, in the one series they played against each other in the playoffs, they were directly matched up against one another, and Brown clearly outplayed Siakam. It wasn't even close who was better as they played head to head in a playoff environment. And Brown has always been the better playoff preformer.

That to me makes him the better player.

[Goldstar88]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakam is not a good shooter, career 32% from 3pt. The C’s shoot a ton of 3’s.  His numbers are inflated being the number one option on Toronto and He’s also going to be 29 next season. Will take 25 year old JB everyday of the week.

[SHAQATTACK]

Notice Raps aren’t giving up any of their best young players for KD .

[ozgod]

Notice Raps aren’t giving up any of their best young players for KD .

They know their team's not good enough to compete for a ring if they swapped Barnes for KD probably.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Notice Raps aren’t giving up any of their best young players for KD .

They know their team's not good enough to compete for a ring if they swapped Barnes for KD probably.

They also can’t rely on KD. Nor should the Celtics.

[td450]

Siakam and Brown have very similar stats and similar effects on the game. Who is better is debatable.

But, I will say, in the one series they played against each other in the playoffs, they were directly matched up against one another, and Brown clearly outplayed Siakam. It wasn't even close who was better as they played head to head in a playoff environment. And Brown has always been the better playoff preformer.

That to me makes him the better player.

He's also 3 years younger, and has never had any attitude problems, which Siakam has.

As Nick said, the difference here shows up in the playoffs. Brown has done well in the playoffs because his athleticism, attitude and game skills are built to compete against anyone, even the very best. He may get outplayed against an all-NBA player, but he doesn't get dominated over a series. He shows up. Siakam isn't built like that. There is a difference in competitiveness.

That being said, OG Anunoby is quite a 2 way player. The gap between him and Derrick White or Marcus Smart is pretty huge. Big, tough, 2 way wings are the highest valued players in today's NBA. If I was forced to pick who gets Durant, I'd guess Toronto gets him eventually.

[gouki88]

I’m curious, which is the better duo:

Brown + White

Siakim + Anunoby

The latter. Siakam is the equal of Brown IMO (worse scorer and shooter, better rebounder and passer, similar defensively), and Anunoby is superior to White.

I wouldn't trade Brown&White (Cool name paring...) for Siakum&Anunoby even if picks were involved coming our way.

Crazy talk! A team of the following is insane.

Smart / Pritchard
Anunoby / Brogdon
Tatum / Gallo
Siakam / Grant
Horford / Timelord

That’s a worse starting 5 than the C’s have now.

Please explain how. Siakam is just as good as Brown, and Anunoby is one of the premier 3&D wings in the competition.

Siakam is not a good shooter, career 32% from 3pt. The C’s shoot a ton of 3’s.  His numbers are inflated being the number one option on Toronto and He’s also going to be 29 next season. Will take 25 year old JB everyday of the week.

I love nonsense phrases like "his numbers are inflated by being the number one option". What exactly is inflated by being a #1 option? He's been the lead guy on low 50 / high 40 win teams, and that is somehow a knock?

He shoots less, turns it over at a lesser rate and generates more assists. That indicates he'd be more suitable to a complementary role (which we have evidence of historically).

I don't really care about this debate, but people jumping up and down about the statement that Brown and Siakam are of essentially equal value make me laugh.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Siakam and Brown have very similar stats and similar effects on the game. Who is better is debatable.

But, I will say, in the one series they played against each other in the playoffs, they were directly matched up against one another, and Brown clearly outplayed Siakam. It wasn't even close who was better as they played head to head in a playoff environment. And Brown has always been the better playoff preformer.

That to me makes him the better player.

He's also 3 years younger, and has never had any attitude problems, which Siakam has.

As Nick said, the difference here shows up in the playoffs. Brown has done well in the playoffs because his athleticism, attitude and game skills are built to compete against anyone, even the very best. He may get outplayed against an all-NBA player, but he doesn't get dominated over a series. He shows up. Siakam isn't built like that. There is a difference in competitiveness.

That being said, OG Anunoby is quite a 2 way player. The gap between him and Derrick White or Marcus Smart is pretty huge. Big, tough, 2 way wings are the highest valued players in today's NBA. If I was forced to pick who gets Durant, I'd guess Toronto gets him eventually.

But Brown's upside is way better than Anunoby and Siakim's. If I were to trade KD, I'd be rebuilding and that might give me pause.

Edit: I dunno if it's the Ringer (love that Seerat lady) or Lowe Post or some other podcast but some other podcast I think said the thinking behind drafting one of the top drafted wing reaches/follies in 2022 - maybe Keegan Murray? - was one that failed many teams - i.e. drafting a defensive wing and hoping they become Kawhii. Interestingly, (I may be misremembering) OG was mentioned as one of the better outcomes, and Stanley Johnson one of the lower end outcomes.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Sorry to double post - but who here would be disappointed if Durant got traded elsewhere, and not to Boston?

Honestly I might breathe a sigh of relief. Weirdlytrading for the surefire All NBA dude represents a certain degree of uncertainty for us - like do we lose key players like Grant, and how the team chemistry ends up being after an - I guess people would debate how good it was but...  - at least solid run last year.