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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2022, 09:47:17 PM »

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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?

Paul Pierce is from LA. There’s a very strong possibility Kawhi wins a title in Boston with JT/Horford/Smart, talks to PP and Bill Russell, and decides that being the man in Boston is better for his legacy than going to the Clips with PG-13. Kawhi almost re-signed in Toronto, so it’s not a stretch to imagine him re-signing here after a title. It’s the ultimate what-if of the past half decade. I’ll always take a title over no title, especially when there’s no guarantee of future titles.

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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2022, 10:04:09 PM »

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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?

Paul Pierce is from LA. There’s a very strong possibility Kawhi wins a title in Boston with JT/Horford/Smart, talks to PP and Bill Russell, and decides that being the man in Boston is better for his legacy than going to the Clips with PG-13. Kawhi almost re-signed in Toronto, so it’s not a stretch to imagine him re-signing here after a title. It’s the ultimate what-if of the past half decade. I’ll always take a title over no title, especially when there’s no guarantee of future titles.
Your "very strong possibility"  is a pipe dream only happening in your rather weird reality. Sorry if that's harsh, but that's what most of your logic streams seem like.

Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2022, 02:28:01 PM »

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He passed over one of the greatest players of all time, and instead drafted a dirty hippie with midget arms and not a single thing resembling an elite skill.

If that isn't his greatest regret, he's not being honest.
I view regret differently.  Maybe DA never even considered giannis.  I wouldn't call that a regret; that's just a miss.

It's possible that DA really really liked Brodgon but decided, for whatever reason not to pick him.  That's more of a regret in my eyes.

Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2022, 02:35:19 PM »

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He passed over one of the greatest players of all time, and instead drafted a dirty hippie with midget arms and not a single thing resembling an elite skill.

If that isn't his greatest regret, he's not being honest.
I view regret differently.  Maybe DA never even considered giannis.  I wouldn't call that a regret; that's just a miss.

It's possible that DA really really liked Brodgon but decided, for whatever reason not to pick him.  That's more of a regret in my eyes.

Yeah, I think that's how it's being looked at.  Was it Zarren who identified Jimmy Butler as the biggest miss?  This was his reasoning:

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"The one that we talk about the most internally is Jimmy Butler and JaJuan Johnson," Zarren said. “Every team has tons of these stories. We had it narrowed down to those two guys and picked the wrong one."

Zarren added, “We should have picked Jimmy and we didn’t.”

“Look, I defy anyone to look at [Giannis'] statistics or his performance in Greece and learn that he was going to grow a bunch of inches and become the MVP of the league,” Zarren said. “I don’t think Milwaukee knew that either.”

Zarren added, “I feel worse about the Jimmy one because we had it narrowed down to two guys.”

Those are the ones that have to suck:  you're literally down to a 50/50 decision, and the guy you pick turns into a bust while the player you pass on turns into a star.

There have been a lot of near-misses.  I know we worked out Draymond Green, but didn't want two power forwards after taking Sully.  Obviously, some guys have been picked right before us (Herro).  But, as mentioned above, we also have to be thankful that some guys *weren't* available.  Namely, Justice Winslow, and a decade earlier, Robert Swift.


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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2022, 02:53:18 PM »

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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?
May still be Toronto.

I absolutely believe Boston wins the 2019 title that Toronto won had Boston traded Brown and Smart for Leonard (that was the rumored trade).  That would have left the C's with a starting 5 of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, Horford with Rozier, Morris, Baynes, Theis, and Semi on the bench (and still having Rob to develop).  And if Boston wins that title, who knows what happens with Irving and Leonard.  Perhaps they both really liked playing with each other and re-signed. 
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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2022, 02:58:30 PM »

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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?
May still be Toronto.

I absolutely believe Boston wins the 2019 title that Toronto won had Boston traded Brown and Smart for Leonard (that was the rumored trade).  That would have left the C's with a starting 5 of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, Horford with Rozier, Morris, Baynes, Theis, and Semi on the bench (and still having Rob to develop).  And if Boston wins that title, who knows what happens with Irving and Leonard.  Perhaps they both really liked playing with each other and re-signed.

Anything is possible, but can you make the argument that Toronto is *more likely* to win a title than us over the next decade?


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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2022, 03:21:09 PM »

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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?
May still be Toronto.

I absolutely believe Boston wins the 2019 title that Toronto won had Boston traded Brown and Smart for Leonard (that was the rumored trade).  That would have left the C's with a starting 5 of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, Horford with Rozier, Morris, Baynes, Theis, and Semi on the bench (and still having Rob to develop).  And if Boston wins that title, who knows what happens with Irving and Leonard.  Perhaps they both really liked playing with each other and re-signed.

Anything is possible, but can you make the argument that Toronto is *more likely* to win a title than us over the next decade?


Well ten years is probably too long to guess for any team in the nba . So I would say for 5, there is no way they are more likely now. We have far and away the best player in Tatum, and I think most would prefer brown over siakam. Worse for them is siakam and van fleet are both 29 next season and really don’t fit the timeline of Barnes. Robert Williams also still has some development in him and I think the raptors are basically a treadmill team
Unless they can somehow get Durant or disgruntled star. I’m also curious in the world we’re we trade for Leonard, hayward and irving all of a sudden are healthy and all the chemistry issues we had with rozier and Morris magically go away with another star on the team?

Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2022, 04:04:16 PM »

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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?
May still be Toronto.

I absolutely believe Boston wins the 2019 title that Toronto won had Boston traded Brown and Smart for Leonard (that was the rumored trade).  That would have left the C's with a starting 5 of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, Horford with Rozier, Morris, Baynes, Theis, and Semi on the bench (and still having Rob to develop).  And if Boston wins that title, who knows what happens with Irving and Leonard.  Perhaps they both really liked playing with each other and re-signed.

Anything is possible, but can you make the argument that Toronto is *more likely* to win a title than us over the next decade?
Next 4 Boston is clearly more likely, though I don't think all that probable that either wins a title.  Over the next 10 though, I'd favor Toronto because of Barnes.  He is in year 2, which means if they pay him the max, they will have his control the next 7-8 years.  That just gives them a more firm and better chance than Boston.  Now sure if Tatum and Brown re-sign on long term contracts, that would change, but with the way players move these days (after the rookie extension), I think there is at least a decent chance one of those, if not both, seek different pastures when their contracts are up.  That is the belly of the beast these days.  Players don't tend to leave before signing that first extension though, which is why I expect Toronto to have Barnes for well over 5 more years.  Now obviously Barnes is young and raw, but he certainly has top 5 player talent.  They have a relatively young and solid supporting cast as well and they did just win 48 games, so it isn't like they are a dredge.  Boston should absolutely be better over the next couple, but 10 years is a long time and in that I'd bet on Barnes still being in Toronto and thereby giving them a better chance. 

Also, if Boston did make that trade, who is to say Boston isn't in a better spot right now, even if Kawhi and Irving still left.  They would have had Tatum on a rookie deal and space for 2 max contracts.  Maybe, if Boston had cap room, Irving stays and brings Durant with him to replace Kawhi.  There is no way to predict what might have happened if that trade had been made, but I absolutely believe that a Kawhi/Tatum/Irving trio would have beaten that Golden State team in 2019 and won the title. 
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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2022, 04:06:53 PM »

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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?
May still be Toronto.

I absolutely believe Boston wins the 2019 title that Toronto won had Boston traded Brown and Smart for Leonard (that was the rumored trade).  That would have left the C's with a starting 5 of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, Horford with Rozier, Morris, Baynes, Theis, and Semi on the bench (and still having Rob to develop).  And if Boston wins that title, who knows what happens with Irving and Leonard.  Perhaps they both really liked playing with each other and re-signed.

Anything is possible, but can you make the argument that Toronto is *more likely* to win a title than us over the next decade?


Well ten years is probably too long to guess for any team in the nba . So I would say for 5, there is no way they are more likely now. We have far and away the best player in Tatum, and I think most would prefer brown over siakam. Worse for them is siakam and van fleet are both 29 next season and really don’t fit the timeline of Barnes. Robert Williams also still has some development in him and I think the raptors are basically a treadmill team
Unless they can somehow get Durant or disgruntled star. I’m also curious in the world we’re we trade for Leonard, hayward and irving all of a sudden are healthy and all the chemistry issues we had with rozier and Morris magically go away with another star on the team?
You mean the year Hayward played 72 games and Irving played 67 games and both were fully healthy for all 9 playoff games the team played.  That year.  The year that Toronto with a worse supporting cast around Kawhi won 58 games and the title. 
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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2022, 04:11:00 PM »

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Raptors were also a buzzer beater three bounces shy from losing to the 76ers in Game 7 lol

And that KD and Thompson were hurt in the Finals. Raptors got lucky on top of having Kawhi pushing them tthat year.


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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?
May still be Toronto.

I absolutely believe Boston wins the 2019 title that Toronto won had Boston traded Brown and Smart for Leonard (that was the rumored trade).  That would have left the C's with a starting 5 of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, Horford with Rozier, Morris, Baynes, Theis, and Semi on the bench (and still having Rob to develop).  And if Boston wins that title, who knows what happens with Irving and Leonard.  Perhaps they both really liked playing with each other and re-signed.

Anything is possible, but can you make the argument that Toronto is *more likely* to win a title than us over the next decade?


Well ten years is probably too long to guess for any team in the nba . So I would say for 5, there is no way they are more likely now. We have far and away the best player in Tatum, and I think most would prefer brown over siakam. Worse for them is siakam and van fleet are both 29 next season and really don’t fit the timeline of Barnes. Robert Williams also still has some development in him and I think the raptors are basically a treadmill team
Unless they can somehow get Durant or disgruntled star. I’m also curious in the world we’re we trade for Leonard, hayward and irving all of a sudden are healthy and all the chemistry issues we had with rozier and Morris magically go away with another star on the team?
You mean the year Hayward played 72 games and Irving played 67 games and both were fully healthy for all 9 playoff games the team played.  That year.  The year that Toronto with a worse supporting cast around Kawhi won 58 games and the title.

I wouldn't call Hayward fully healthy that season.  He was still very much in recovery mode.  It took him until 2020 to bounce back (and that season he of course struggled with additional injuries).



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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2022, 08:34:10 PM »

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Raptors were also a buzzer beater three bounces shy from losing to the 76ers in Game 7 lol

And that KD and Thompson were hurt in the Finals. Raptors got lucky on top of having Kawhi pushing them tthat year.
as has been pointed out that shot would have only tied the game, not won it. And yeah the Warriors had injuries, it happens,, but the Raptors still won because they went for it with Kawhi.

As I've said many times in here, Ainge's greatest blunder was not acquiring Irving it was acquiring Irving and then not going all in around him.  Once Irving was acquired, the team had to acquire Kawhi when he became available. 
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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
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If that is his biggest regret, it wouldn't have been if Charlotte had accepted his trade offer to Winslow.  Charlotte must certainly regret not taking this trade:

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Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com reports the Celtics offered six selections, including four first-round picks, to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal for the No. 9 pick. The Hornets refused and selected Wisconsin Badgers star Frank Kaminsky, and then the Miami Heat took Winslow.

I still don’t understand why he was willing to throw so much to get Winslow, yet wasn’t willing to bring in Kawhi as a capstone to get us the title in 2018-2019.
Kawhi was recovering from injury and not really being forthcoming on his injury status and was saying long term, he would be playing in LA, so he would be a one year rental.

Winslow was a highly regarded prospect that fell in the draft that Ainge loved. GMs love their 19 year old prospects that they feel they can turn into stars and control for up to 8 or 9 years and will overpay for those guys.

Those are the reasons for that.

And it’s also why Toronto has as many titles as Boston in the last 35 years. Ujiri out-played Danny.

I bet Danny only wanted Winslow so bad because he knew he’s the guy Riley wanted at 10.
And who is more likely to win titles over the next decade because Danny didn't make that trade?
May still be Toronto.

I absolutely believe Boston wins the 2019 title that Toronto won had Boston traded Brown and Smart for Leonard (that was the rumored trade).  That would have left the C's with a starting 5 of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, Horford with Rozier, Morris, Baynes, Theis, and Semi on the bench (and still having Rob to develop).  And if Boston wins that title, who knows what happens with Irving and Leonard.  Perhaps they both really liked playing with each other and re-signed.

Anything is possible, but can you make the argument that Toronto is *more likely* to win a title than us over the next decade?


Well ten years is probably too long to guess for any team in the nba . So I would say for 5, there is no way they are more likely now. We have far and away the best player in Tatum, and I think most would prefer brown over siakam. Worse for them is siakam and van fleet are both 29 next season and really don’t fit the timeline of Barnes. Robert Williams also still has some development in him and I think the raptors are basically a treadmill team
Unless they can somehow get Durant or disgruntled star. I’m also curious in the world we’re we trade for Leonard, hayward and irving all of a sudden are healthy and all the chemistry issues we had with rozier and Morris magically go away with another star on the team?
You mean the year Hayward played 72 games and Irving played 67 games and both were fully healthy for all 9 playoff games the team played.  That year.  The year that Toronto with a worse supporting cast around Kawhi won 58 games and the title.

I wouldn't call Hayward fully healthy that season.  He was still very much in recovery mode.  It took him until 2020 to bounce back (and that season he of course struggled with additional injuries).
that is fair, but he'd have also been the 5th best player in that starting unit by a pretty wide margin. 
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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2022, 11:44:25 PM »

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He passed over one of the greatest players of all time, and instead drafted a dirty hippie with midget arms and not a single thing resembling an elite skill.

If that isn't his greatest regret, he's not being honest.
I view regret differently.  Maybe DA never even considered giannis.  I wouldn't call that a regret; that's just a miss.

It's possible that DA really really liked Brodgon but decided, for whatever reason not to pick him.  That's more of a regret in my eyes.

Yeah, I think that's how it's being looked at.  Was it Zarren who identified Jimmy Butler as the biggest miss?  This was his reasoning:

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"The one that we talk about the most internally is Jimmy Butler and JaJuan Johnson," Zarren said. “Every team has tons of these stories. We had it narrowed down to those two guys and picked the wrong one."

Zarren added, “We should have picked Jimmy and we didn’t.”

“Look, I defy anyone to look at [Giannis'] statistics or his performance in Greece and learn that he was going to grow a bunch of inches and become the MVP of the league,” Zarren said. “I don’t think Milwaukee knew that either.”

Zarren added, “I feel worse about the Jimmy one because we had it narrowed down to two guys.”

Those are the ones that have to suck:  you're literally down to a 50/50 decision, and the guy you pick turns into a bust while the player you pass on turns into a star.

There have been a lot of near-misses.  I know we worked out Draymond Green, but didn't want two power forwards after taking Sully.  Obviously, some guys have been picked right before us (Herro).  But, as mentioned above, we also have to be thankful that some guys *weren't* available.  Namely, Justice Winslow, and a decade earlier, Robert Swift.
They should have picked Jimmy obviously but I disagree somewhat with the thinking here because JJJ and Jimmy represented different paths.  Jimmy was a raw guy with potential.  JJJ was a more finished product and the presumed safer pick.  I know they were both older, but I always thought Ainge was trying for a guy that could come in and play immediately and didn't want to wait given the timeline of the roster.  I think doing that with the team Boston had was in fact the right call assuming you had the players rated similarly.  They did the same thing in the KO draft and there I think that was the wrong decision.  They should have taken the raw guy with more potential than the nice solid, contribute immediately rotation piece. Getting the talent evaluation wrong is going to happen a lot, bit getting the path wrong shouldn't.
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Re: Danny's biggest regret, not drafting Brogdon
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2022, 12:57:20 AM »

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Malcolm Brogdon? All 35 games a year of him?

That any thread on this topic doesn’t begin and end with Giannis is fodder. Ainge literally traded up three spots in 2013 to put himself in a position to take arguably the best player in the NBA — and took Kelly ******* Olynyk.

There’s no greater regret than that. And whoever says “the draft is a crap shot” first is officially a homer.