Author Topic: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.  (Read 16973 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2022, 11:21:19 PM »

Offline pokeKingCurtis

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3733
  • Tommy Points: 280
I misreaad as being BFP body fat percentage.

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2022, 02:13:07 AM »

Offline Celtics2021

  • Tiny Archibald
  • *******
  • Posts: 7939
  • Tommy Points: 1032
Box Plus Minus is the stat used to compare people now.  wow.

I guess you don’t understand what “strong caveats” are?


Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2022, 04:42:15 AM »

Offline ozgod

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18743
  • Tommy Points: 1527
I think a year in Maine is going to do him a lot of good. He's got talent but is unpolished.
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D


Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2022, 08:15:09 AM »

Offline Moranis

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 34515
  • Tommy Points: 1597
Box Plus Minus is the stat used to compare people now.  wow.

I guess you don’t understand what “strong caveats” are?
Oh I understand fully the meaning of that phrase, and it is still asinine.  I mean among regulars Davison was 3rd on his team in BPM last year.  I guess he must have been playing with the next Lebron James and Kevin Durant if he is Ja Morant.  The simple reality is there are no caveats of any kind that make that comparison worthwhile in any way at all.  It is just crazy town.
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2022, 09:07:03 AM »

Offline pokeKingCurtis

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3733
  • Tommy Points: 280
Box Plus Minus is the stat used to compare people now.  wow.

I guess you don’t understand what “strong caveats” are?
Oh I understand fully the meaning of that phrase, and it is still asinine.  I mean among regulars Davison was 3rd on his team in BPM last year.  I guess he must have been playing with the next Lebron James and Kevin Durant if he is Ja Morant.  The simple reality is there are no caveats of any kind that make that comparison worthwhile in any way at all.  It is just crazy town.

I mean, OP provided his analysis. Morant blew up in college, JD didn't.

I just skimmed, didn't read properly and didn't do OP's research justice.

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2022, 09:21:03 AM »

Offline Moranis

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 34515
  • Tommy Points: 1597
Box Plus Minus is the stat used to compare people now.  wow.

I guess you don’t understand what “strong caveats” are?
Oh I understand fully the meaning of that phrase, and it is still asinine.  I mean among regulars Davison was 3rd on his team in BPM last year.  I guess he must have been playing with the next Lebron James and Kevin Durant if he is Ja Morant.  The simple reality is there are no caveats of any kind that make that comparison worthwhile in any way at all.  It is just crazy town.

I mean, OP provided his analysis. Morant blew up in college, JD didn't.

I just skimmed, didn't read properly and didn't do OP's research justice.
to claim that box plus minus has anything to do with potential is just crazy.  That is what I was commenting on.  There is absolutely ZERO correlation between BPM and potential.  NONE.  NADA.  ZILCH. 
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2022, 01:11:53 AM »

Offline vjcsmoke

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3219
  • Tommy Points: 183
Just to put it in perspective JD Davison won't be rookie of the year. He's a raw 19 year old kid on a two way contract that was the 53rd pick. I do think that he had a nice first summer league game. He can do a lot of things. He has a lot of work to do.

LOL.  So what?  Unless you're drafted in the top 5, nobody EXPECTS you to be Rookie of the Year or even in the running.

Here's a level headed scouting report of JD Davison. 

https://youtu.be/r8pL2zskFq0

He's got warts but he's got a lot of athletic ability, nice length, and potential if his skills can catch up to his ceiling.

He needs to improve his shot and decision making.  But most of these things are correctable with good coaching and hard work.  You can't teach the talent, but you can teach better fundamentals and decison making.  He's a project, but he could turn into something.  Maybe a better version of Terry Rozier if we're lucky.

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2022, 05:45:09 PM »

Offline smokeablount

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3176
  • Tommy Points: 640
  • Mark Blount often got smoked
Maybe not, but he is Summer League player of the day! If Begarin dishes it on the final dunk he’d have had a 30-10-5 with 3 steals.
2023 Non-Active, Non-NBA 75 Historical Draft, SAB Bulls:

PG: Deron Williams 08 / John Wall 17
SG: David Thompson 78 (HOF) / Hersey Hawkins 91
SF: TMac 03 (HOF) / M.R. Richardson 81 / Tayshaun 07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 92 / Blake Griffin 14
C: Lanier 77 (HOF) / Brad Daugherty 91 / Camby 07

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2022, 05:56:16 PM »

Offline Csfan1984

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8875
  • Tommy Points: 290
If team wants to save money maybe these guys get in on the team
 Ryan, Begarin, Kaba

Then give two way to Williams. He needs to still drop more weight.

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2022, 06:00:37 PM »

Offline liam

  • NCE
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 45920
  • Tommy Points: 3340
Just to put it in perspective JD Davison won't be rookie of the year. He's a raw 19 year old kid on a two way contract that was the 53rd pick. I do think that he had a nice first summer league game. He can do a lot of things. He has a lot of work to do.

LOL.  So what?  Unless you're drafted in the top 5, nobody EXPECTS you to be Rookie of the Year or even in the running.

Here's a level headed scouting report of JD Davison. 

https://youtu.be/r8pL2zskFq0

He's got warts but he's got a lot of athletic ability, nice length, and potential if his skills can catch up to his ceiling.

He needs to improve his shot and decision making.  But most of these things are correctable with good coaching and hard work.  You can't teach the talent, but you can teach better fundamentals and decison making.  He's a project, but he could turn into something.  Maybe a better version of Terry Rozier if we're lucky.

I started the thread to put things in perspective. I think he's a player but he's also a 19 year old kid that will be behind 3 starting caliber guards. I hope he passes all of them and turns into something special.

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2022, 06:06:34 PM »

Offline liam

  • NCE
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 45920
  • Tommy Points: 3340
GO JD!

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #71 on: July 14, 2022, 08:11:49 PM »

Offline DefenseWinsChamps

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6740
  • Tommy Points: 810
Was that the best summer league game Celtic has played in the last 5 years?

There's a lot to like and be hopeful about with Davison.

I'm going to come out early here with a bold prediction. He reminds me of a young Eric Bledsoe. I think he might have a similar trajectory if he puts in the work.

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #72 on: July 14, 2022, 08:23:36 PM »

Online Roy H.

  • Forums Manager
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 62667
  • Tommy Points: -25473
  • Bo Knows: Joe Don't Know Diddley
Was that the best summer league game Celtic has played in the last 5 years?

Any Celtic?  It's hard to remember since the games are pretty meaningless, but Pritchard was excellent last year, right?

And Nesmith had a 33 point game.


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER——— AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!@ 34 minutes

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2022, 08:31:18 PM »

Offline DefenseWinsChamps

  • Paul Silas
  • ******
  • Posts: 6740
  • Tommy Points: 810
Was that the best summer league game Celtic has played in the last 5 years?

Any Celtic?  It's hard to remember since the games are pretty meaningless, but Pritchard was excellent last year, right?

And Nesmith had a 33 point game.

Pritchard was pretty good last year. I don't remember Nesmith's 33 point game. But almost 30 points with 10 assists and playmaking on defense was pretty special.

I don't think these games are meaningless. I think its pretty meaningful when a late second round pick can have a game like that. in his first summer league as one of the younger players on the court. 

Re: JD Davison will not be rookie of the year.
« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2022, 08:42:43 PM »

Online Roy H.

  • Forums Manager
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 62667
  • Tommy Points: -25473
  • Bo Knows: Joe Don't Know Diddley
Was that the best summer league game Celtic has played in the last 5 years?

Any Celtic?  It's hard to remember since the games are pretty meaningless, but Pritchard was excellent last year, right?

And Nesmith had a 33 point game.

Pritchard was pretty good last year. I don't remember Nesmith's 33 point game. But almost 30 points with 10 assists and playmaking on defense was pretty special.

I don't think these games are meaningless. I think its pretty meaningful when a late second round pick can have a game like that. in his first summer league as one of the younger players on the court.

How much meaning do you put into his first three games?

I mean, there's a long history of summer league telling us almost nothing (if not nothing) about a player's potential.

And that's not just one game.  We've seen guys like Glen Rice Jr., Brandon Clarke, Josh Selby and Jerryd Bayless win Summer League MVP.

I'm glad you're excited, but I don't think any projections are possible based upon summer league performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpHB9mE_e8A


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER——— AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!@ 34 minutes