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Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #210 on: July 02, 2022, 12:21:52 AM »

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Per source - C’s goal is to continue with double big lineup, and that Malcolm Brogdon is viewed as a sixth man, behind Marcus Smart
Great let's keep starting the 36 year old who fades game to game, quarter to quarter. I really hope C's bring Al off the bench and don't run him into the ground.
They could also start him and play him 20 minutes a game vs the 30 that he averaged last season.

Why in god’s name wouldn’t they bring Smart off the bench? Brogdon is the best guard on the roster behind Brown. Should be starting. Just as good a defender as the “DPOY”.
The day I don’t have to see Smart’s horrific decision making as a main ballhandler…
Pray it’s coming soon

You are going to be disappointed.

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #211 on: July 02, 2022, 12:22:36 AM »

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Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 19 minutes ago
Per source - C’s goal is to continue with double big lineup, and that Malcolm Brogdon is viewed as a sixth man, behind Marcus Smart
Great let's keep starting the 36 year old who fades game to game, quarter to quarter. I really hope C's bring Al off the bench and don't run him into the ground.
They could also start him and play him 20 minutes a game vs the 30 that he averaged last season.

Why in god’s name wouldn’t they bring Smart off the bench? Brogdon is the best guard on the roster behind Brown. Should be starting. Just as good a defender as the “DPOY”.
The day I don’t have to see Smart’s horrific decision making as a main ballhandler…
Pray it’s coming soon

You are going to be disappointed.
Smart and Brogdon get assists and turnovers at almost identical rates. Very funny that one is a horrible decision-maker whereas the other is a point god
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Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #212 on: July 02, 2022, 12:22:44 AM »

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Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 19 minutes ago
Per source - C’s goal is to continue with double big lineup, and that Malcolm Brogdon is viewed as a sixth man, behind Marcus Smart
Great let's keep starting the 36 year old who fades game to game, quarter to quarter. I really hope C's bring Al off the bench and don't run him into the ground.
They could also start him and play him 20 minutes a game vs the 30 that he averaged last season.

Why in god’s name wouldn’t they bring Smart off the bench? Brogdon is the best guard on the roster behind Brown. Should be starting. Just as good a defender as the “DPOY”.
The day I don’t have to see Smart’s horrific decision making as a main ballhandler…
Pray it’s coming soon
And this points to the only potential fly in the ointment with this deal - will Smart and Brogdon be able to co-exist? 

Brogdon is absolutely one of the 5 best players on this team.

Brogdon seemingly had no issue playing alongside Haliburton once Indy made that trade, albeit a very small sample size.

He averaged nearly the exact same assists (and rebounds), and his scoring was actually up slightly. He lets the game come to him, he doesn’t need to force it. But he’s also a guy who can flirt with a triple double on any given night.

His type of game can fit anywhere.
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Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #213 on: July 02, 2022, 12:33:26 AM »

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Mark Murphy @Murf56
about 19 minutes ago
Per source - C’s goal is to continue with double big lineup, and that Malcolm Brogdon is viewed as a sixth man, behind Marcus Smart
Great let's keep starting the 36 year old who fades game to game, quarter to quarter. I really hope C's bring Al off the bench and don't run him into the ground.
They could also start him and play him 20 minutes a game vs the 30 that he averaged last season.

Why in god’s name wouldn’t they bring Smart off the bench? Brogdon is the best guard on the roster behind Brown. Should be starting. Just as good a defender as the “DPOY”.
The day I don’t have to see Smart’s horrific decision making as a main ballhandler…
Pray it’s coming soon

You are going to be disappointed.

Yeah, unless KD or Ayton is somehow coming through that door in a deal involving Smart, no way Smart is not our starter. You don’t go from DPOY to the bench. Besides, Brogdon is literally the top candidate for 6MOY coming off the bench. Dude will kill it for us as sixth man. White is basically 7MOY if such a thing existed. It’s a sick backcourt we’ve got now, and I’m psyched the more I think about this. Many teams would kill for Grant Williams to be their sixth man and he’s now our 8th best man. kind of hope we nail it with the TPE to get better depth at the 3/4. I like Gallinari at the 4/5. We are such a better team now with Brogdon.

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #214 on: July 02, 2022, 02:44:48 AM »

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Wow. So i was very wrong earlier in the thread when i thought extra salary was needed to make this deal happen. God bless our escalating salaries.

And Theis was a sneaky-bad contract. If a guy is earning near $9m he should be able to see the floor in the playoffs. Brogdon at $22.5m is a bit worrisome with his injury history, but dumping Theis helps soften the blow.

I do think Nesmith will be a quality player. But i don't think he'd get the minutes in Boston that he needs. So that + a late 1st is a good price. And we can still compete without Brogdon healthy. With him healthy we're easily in the top tier of teams. We're in a very good spot.

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #215 on: July 02, 2022, 04:01:43 AM »

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This is a net win, no other way to look at it. Great value for what we paid - Theis and four guys who aren’t playing anyway.
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Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #216 on: July 02, 2022, 05:15:20 AM »

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I look at the roster this way:

Combo PG:    Smart, Brogdon, White, Pritchard
Wings:          Tatum, Brown, Hauser
Bigs:             RWill, Horford, Gallinari, GWill

This is 10 deep with players that can play regular minutes but most of the time, we are probably going to play with 1 combo, 2 wings, 2 bigs.  To balance the roster, we need to swap a Combo for a wing (or just add a wing, that is OK too).  We of course can play with 2 from the combo group and only one of Tatum or Brown (not sure if Hauser will be in the core rotation) but with this group, we end up a little light on shooting if we have 2 of the combos on the court together.  But this would allow the minutes to be spread some.

TP for this. A lot of times we tend to pigeonhole players into the old positions, the 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and assign them fixed roles based on that. That's not how Brad thinks:

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The new era of the NBA requires versatility to win, and the Boston Celtics are adjusting.

"I don’t have the five positions anymore," Celtics coach Brad Stevens said, per Kareem Copeland of the Associated Press. "It may be as simple as three positions now, where you’re either a ball-handler, a wing or a big.

"It's really important. We've become more versatile as the years have gone on."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720250-brad-stevens-says-celtics-have-3-not-5-positions-now

With Timelord for example, He's not thinking that Timelord is is the only center on the roster, or even that he's a center. In today's NBA a lot of those old positions are anachronistic now where you have to fulfil multiple roles. Timelord is a big - a more traditional big that doesn't stretch the floor offensively but can come out to do dribble handoffs and set screens, and roll to the rim. Defensively he can defend other bigs, wings and some ballhandlers, and act as a rim protector against dribble penetrators. Meanwhile Al and Gallinari are stretch bigs who can post up and also pick and pop on offense. Al can defend out to the three point line against wings or ball handlers while Gallo is more of an interior defender, earlier in his career he was a lot more like Al. But they can fulfill those traditional big roles defensively as well, rebound the ball, play in the frontcourt. You can play them as the sole big if you have to against certain lineups. In fact Al was our sole big for years and defended the likes of Embiid and Giannis. Then you have GWill who can fill that big role in small ball lineups or play on the wing when there are traditional bigs on the floor, but also defend against bigs.

So with Brogdon, he can handle the ball and play the point if needed, he can play off the ball as a wing, he can defend wings if he needs to - just like Smartacus or Derrick White. It's not what their position is, it's what they can do on the court. Having four guards isn't really an issue to me - I see it as we have four guys who can handle the ball and facilitate the tempo of the game, and of those four three can also play on the wing and either shoot from the perimeter or attack closeouts and get dribble penetration.

So if you looked at it in terms of what roles they can play, you can say:

Combo PG:    Smart, Brogdon, White, Pritchard
Wings:          Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Smart, Brogdon, White, GWill
Bigs:             RWill, Horford, Gallinari, GWill

Huge amount of versatility there, and many more different looks and combinations you can try to find some synergies and chemistry with and that you can possibly throw against an opponent.
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Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #217 on: July 02, 2022, 06:49:12 AM »

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I think Brad also has a position called "swing", which is like a wing + a big

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #218 on: July 02, 2022, 08:14:37 AM »

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I think Brad also has a position called "swing", which is like a wing + a big
Swing is traditionally guys that can play all three of SG, SF, PF positions against most competition. So Tatum and Brown.

Now some use it for a three position combination player. A guy has to be able to truly score and defend at three spots. So Smart and Grant would qualify. Probably why C's value Smart and Grant so highly.

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #219 on: July 02, 2022, 08:38:24 AM »

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I could see Ime starting Brogdon and Smart. 

Smart
Brogdon
Jaylen
Tatum
Rob/Al

Depends on matchups but I don't see why we wouldn't run that out pretty regularly.  Brogdon is big enough to play the 2 at 6'5", 230 lbs.  Jaylen is 1 inch taller and 10 lbs. less which is an interesting perspective.  Brogdon has some nice size.

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #220 on: July 02, 2022, 08:58:16 AM »

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I think Brad also has a position called "swing", which is like a wing + a big

I don't think Brad (or most execs/coaches in the league, for that matter) looks at players having specific positions, more so that he looks at positions that players can fill, or more specifically, what roles they can assume on the court. So a swing would be someone who could swing between multiple positions, as opposed to a specific position in itself. The league has really moved from labelling people as specific positions and more to players who can tick boxes when it comes to what positions they can fill. E.g. someone like Giannis, what would you call him? He can handle the ball and bring it up the floor, initiate the play from the top of the key, play on the wing and attack closeouts, post up other bigs, and defend 1-5. You can call him a small forward but he's not a great shooter from distance, does that disqualify him from the position? He's 6-10, a demon rebounder and a very physical player, but is he a big if he doesn't play with his back to the basket like Shaq? In certain circumstances he could be a big, depending on what role he's been tasked with.

That's why I don't think you can label players as specific positions anymore, it's more about what positions those players can fill as the situation dictates. As opposed to "I'm a small forward which means I shoot from the elbow or the corner" or "I'm a shooting guard and I only play in the backcourt and only off the ball".
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Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #221 on: July 02, 2022, 09:02:05 AM »

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Anyone have some good videos or clips breaking down Brogdon's game post Bucks?
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Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #222 on: July 02, 2022, 09:03:22 AM »

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Anyone have some good videos or clips breaking down Brogdon's game post Bucks?

I think he’s going to be used more like he was on the Bucks than the Pacers, personally.

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #223 on: July 02, 2022, 09:19:52 AM »

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I could see Ime starting Brogdon and Smart. 

Smart
Brogdon
Jaylen
Tatum
Rob/Al

Depends on matchups but I don't see why we wouldn't run that out pretty regularly.  Brogdon is big enough to play the 2 at 6'5", 230 lbs.  Jaylen is 1 inch taller and 10 lbs. less which is an interesting perspective.  Brogdon has some nice size.
Think this will be the closing lineup with Horford. Good defenders and great spacing. Just keep the starting 5 the way it was. It worked. Bring Brogdon off the bench as a super sub.

Re: C’s to trade for Malcolm Brogdon?
« Reply #224 on: July 02, 2022, 09:23:12 AM »

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I could see Ime starting Brogdon and Smart. 

Smart
Brogdon
Jaylen
Tatum
Rob/Al

Depends on matchups but I don't see why we wouldn't run that out pretty regularly.  Brogdon is big enough to play the 2 at 6'5", 230 lbs.  Jaylen is 1 inch taller and 10 lbs. less which is an interesting perspective.  Brogdon has some nice size.
Think this will be the closing lineup with Horford. Good defenders and great spacing. Just keep the starting 5 the way it was. It worked. Bring Brogdon off the bench as a super sub.

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking as well.