Would you trade Smart to the Kings for #4?

[seancally]

Brad says no.

What if one of those top three guys slips to 4?

then why would Sacramento make the trade.  A big reason Sacto is looking to move the pick is Ivey is redundant. 

How about this: (it would be 2 separate trades, but easier to just show as 1)

Boston - Anunoby, Barnes, Achiuwa
Toronto - 4
Sacramento - Smart, Grant, Bos 24 1st (top 4)

The Kings are in win now mode and will probably make an over pay trade out of impatience. I love that trade for Boston but Toronto, I don't think so... Toronto is a well run organization, unlike the KIngs who just jump at shiney objects.

Scottie Barnes ain’t going nowhere.

[Who]

Brad says no.

What if one of those top three guys slips to 4?

then why would Sacramento make the trade.  A big reason Sacto is looking to move the pick is Ivey is redundant. 

How about this: (it would be 2 separate trades, but easier to just show as 1)

Boston - Anunoby, Barnes, Achiuwa
Toronto - 4
Sacramento - Smart, Grant, Bos 24 1st (top 4)

The Kings are in win now mode and will probably make an over pay trade out of impatience. I love that trade for Boston but Toronto, I don't think so... Toronto is a well run organization, unlike the KIngs who just jump at shiney objects.

Scottie Barnes ain’t going nowhere.

Yes. Why would you trade a highly successful #4 pick from last year's draft who has legit star talent for a maybe successful maybe unsuccessful #4 pick in this year's draft.

Barnes is a stud. Gotta put a superstar or the #1 pick on the table to get Toronto to even consider parting with him.


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Wait, is that Harrison Barnes? Not Scottie Barnes?

I am confused. 

[liam]

Brad says no.

What if one of those top three guys slips to 4?

then why would Sacramento make the trade.  A big reason Sacto is looking to move the pick is Ivey is redundant. 

How about this: (it would be 2 separate trades, but easier to just show as 1)

Boston - Anunoby, Barnes, Achiuwa
Toronto - 4
Sacramento - Smart, Grant, Bos 24 1st (top 4)

The Kings are in win now mode and will probably make an over pay trade out of impatience. I love that trade for Boston but Toronto, I don't think so... Toronto is a well run organization, unlike the KIngs who just jump at shiney objects.

Scottie Barnes ain’t going nowhere.

Yes. Why would you trade a highly successful #4 pick from last year's draft who has legit star talent for a maybe successful maybe unsuccessful #4 pick in this year's draft.

Barnes is a stud. Gotta put a superstar or the #1 pick on the table to get Toronto to even consider parting with him.


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Wait, is that Harrison Barnes? Not Scottie Barnes?

I am confused.

Yeah, I'd trade any one not named Tatum or Brown including TIMELORD who I love for Barnes.

[#1P4P]

For a young team, #1 Defense, 2nd in NET RTG in Playoffs and RS, best 5-player lineup, two wins away from a title, trading 1/5 of the starting rotation for a rookie is a ridiculous proposition.

This isn’t the aging 2012-13 Celtics, this is the 2021-22 Celtics, where only Horford has more experience than Marcus. If anything this team needs to get more experience.

I get it, talking about Joe Ingles, Kyle Anderson, and the like isn’t exciting. The reality is that this team doesn’t need to change much to win the title next season.

[liam]

For a young team, #1 Defense, 2nd in NET RTG in Playoffs and RS, best 5-player lineup, two wins away from a title, trading 1/5 of the starting rotation for a rookie is a ridiculous proposition.

This isn’t the aging 2012-13 Celtics, this is the 2021-22 Celtics, where only Horford has more experience than Marcus. If anything this team needs to get more experience.

I get it, talking about Joe Ingles, Kyle Anderson, and the like isn’t exciting. The reality is that this team doesn’t need to change much to win the title next season.

If you can upgrade that starting five you do it. I wouldn't make a trade for trade's sake but I would make a trade to upgrade.

[Who]

For a young team, #1 Defense, 2nd in NET RTG in Playoffs and RS, best 5-player lineup, two wins away from a title, trading 1/5 of the starting rotation for a rookie is a ridiculous proposition.

This isn’t the aging 2012-13 Celtics, this is the 2021-22 Celtics, where only Horford has more experience than Marcus. If anything this team needs to get more experience.

I get it, talking about Joe Ingles, Kyle Anderson, and the like isn’t exciting. The reality is that this team doesn’t need to change much to win the title next season.

If you can upgrade that starting five you do it. I wouldn't make a trade for trade's sake but I would make a trade to upgrade.

Derrick White can replace Smart in the starting lineup and let Ivey develop gradually from a 6th man role. White has replaced Smart well in the past.

[Sophomore]

No.

This team’s window of contention is open now. Right now. I don’t want to take a step back on next year’s team to wait for a 19-year old draft pick to develop.

Smart isn’t perfect. But if you move him, you NEED to make the team better next year. And it is really hard to see how to do that.

[Sophomore]

For a young team, #1 Defense, 2nd in NET RTG in Playoffs and RS, best 5-player lineup, two wins away from a title, trading 1/5 of the starting rotation for a rookie is a ridiculous proposition.

This isn’t the aging 2012-13 Celtics, this is the 2021-22 Celtics, where only Horford has more experience than Marcus. If anything this team needs to get more experience.

I get it, talking about Joe Ingles, Kyle Anderson, and the like isn’t exciting. The reality is that this team doesn’t need to change much to win the title next season.

If you can upgrade that starting five you do it. I wouldn't make a trade for trade's sake but I would make a trade to upgrade.

Derrick White can replace Smart in the starting lineup and let Ivey develop gradually from a 6th man role. White has replaced Smart well in the past.

Compare Smart’s stats in last year’s playoffs and tell me again how White replaces what he does. Not even close. And then White’s backup will be who? An untested kid right out of college? No thanks.

[Moranis]

Brad says no.

What if one of those top three guys slips to 4?

then why would Sacramento make the trade.  A big reason Sacto is looking to move the pick is Ivey is redundant. 

How about this: (it would be 2 separate trades, but easier to just show as 1)

Boston - Anunoby, Barnes, Achiuwa
Toronto - 4
Sacramento - Smart, Grant, Bos 24 1st (top 4)

The Kings are in win now mode and will probably make an over pay trade out of impatience. I love that trade for Boston but Toronto, I don't think so... Toronto is a well run organization, unlike the KIngs who just jump at shiney objects.

Scottie Barnes ain’t going nowhere.

Yes. Why would you trade a highly successful #4 pick from last year's draft who has legit star talent for a maybe successful maybe unsuccessful #4 pick in this year's draft.

Barnes is a stud. Gotta put a superstar or the #1 pick on the table to get Toronto to even consider parting with him.


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Wait, is that Harrison Barnes? Not Scottie Barnes?

I am confused.

Yeah it is Harrison Barnes.  Sorry about that.  The Toronto trade is 4 for OG and Achiuwa.  Sacramento is giving up 4, Barnes for Smart, Grant, and the future 1st.  I should have made it more clear, but thought it was apparent since the only way for Sacramento to take on that type of salary is to trade a big salary like Barnes.

[slamtheking]

Brad says no.

What if one of those top three guys slips to 4?

then why would Sacramento make the trade.  A big reason Sacto is looking to move the pick is Ivey is redundant. 

How about this: (it would be 2 separate trades, but easier to just show as 1)

Boston - Anunoby, Barnes, Achiuwa
Toronto - 4
Sacramento - Smart, Grant, Bos 24 1st (top 4)

The Kings are in win now mode and will probably make an over pay trade out of impatience. I love that trade for Boston but Toronto, I don't think so... Toronto is a well run organization, unlike the KIngs who just jump at shiney objects.

Scottie Barnes ain’t going nowhere.

Yes. Why would you trade a highly successful #4 pick from last year's draft who has legit star talent for a maybe successful maybe unsuccessful #4 pick in this year's draft.

Barnes is a stud. Gotta put a superstar or the #1 pick on the table to get Toronto to even consider parting with him.


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Wait, is that Harrison Barnes? Not Scottie Barnes?

I am confused.

Yeah it is Harrison Barnes.  Sorry about that.  The Toronto trade is 4 for OG and Achiuwa.  Sacramento is giving up 4, Barnes for Smart, Grant, and the future 1st.  I should have made it more clear, but thought it was apparent since the only way for Sacramento to take on that type of salary is to trade a big salary like Barnes.

not to knock Harrison but that was a real letdown from Scottie   

[RJ87]

If you can get a special player in the draft, you take the step back in the current term team prospects for the much better long term team prospects.

This mindset is a guarantee the Jays bail. They finally breakthrough to the Finals and management responds by kicking the can down the road for a maybe? That's an awful message to send to them.

They're not going to be here forever. Take advantage of and maximize opportunities whenever you can.

[SparzWizard]

I think we're done with growing prospects no? It is time to compete and contend!

[gouki88]

Absolutely. We either get our guard of the future in Ivey (a Steve Francis type) or our Al replacement in Keegan Murray. Sacramento say no though.

I think if White stepped into the starting position it wouldn’t be a significant drop-off, as I think both Ivey & Murray would be able to contribute immediately.

[gouki88]

If you can get a special player in the draft, you take the step back in the current term team prospects for the much better long term team prospects.

This mindset is a guarantee the Jays bail. They finally breakthrough to the Finals and management responds by kicking the can down the road for a maybe? That's an awful message to send to them.

They're not going to be here forever. Take advantage of and maximize opportunities whenever you can.

Easy solution. After acquiring the top pick we trade for Beal and/or Durant

[Who]

Absolutely. We either get our guard of the future in Ivey (a Steve Francis type) or our Al replacement in Keegan Murray. Sacramento say no though.

I think if White stepped into the starting position it wouldn’t be a significant drop-off, as I think both Ivey & Murray would be able to contribute immediately.

Wow, that Keegan Murray guy is impressive. Why the heck is Sacramento looking to trade that pick? He'd be perfect for them at forward.