Draymond Green's post game arrogance

[BringToughnessBack]

this is a bad look for the league - but only to people who actually care.  Both Javie and Draymond's comments essentially confirm the biased-officiating accusations that fans have levied against the league for years.  one of two things will happen: (1) the league comes down hard on Green in game 3 (or better yet the series) where he can't breath due to foul trouble and anything close to earning a tech will get him one and quite probably that second one to shoot down that commentary that a player with a tech already has carte blanch to run amok or (2) the league makes a hard push to bury those comments to sweep this under the rug to go on with business as usual and avoid further investigation into corruption and game manipulation due to the financial impacts to their new business buddy -- sports gambling.   Which situation happens will be heavily dependent on what the national media does with this story.  I suspect that the national media being the corporate toadies they are, won't pursue this at all and this will not get mentioned anywhere outside of maybe Boston today or afterwards.

They'll sweep it under the rug like they did with Donaghy. If the NBA cared about it's image, it would've fixed it a long time ago. In the end, the league will always choose money.

Exactly. Adam Silver makes 10m a year plus bonus tied to revenue. All of the executives have bonus tied to their compensation as well. Money will dictate everything.

Oh, I hate Green. He is one of my least favorite slime in the NBA. He could have broken someone’s leg and still no 2nd tech.

[footey]

I believe he is going to be ejected in game 3.  He is going to pick up his early tech like he always does and then is going to get hit with a 2nd one, even if the conduct is less than anything he did in game 2, the league is going to send a message.

Boston in 5

Man I hope you are right.

[Yuckabuck33]

He's not wrong.  Steve Javy admitted it. 

Draymond could have hit somebody with a steel chair and he wouldn't have been given a tech.

It’s crazy how we can see something in very different ways. I thought the thing on the ground was nada, and def didn’t approach hitting somebody with a metal chair. I watched the game with two other buddies (Celtics fans from MA) and they agreed that they should have played on with no tech. This is the same NBA playoffs where Laimbeer and Bird earned their techs.

No, this is not the same NBA as when Bird played. Have you not seen a Flagrant foul called these days? Have you seen a game since Bird retired? These days the Bird and Laimbeer stuff would get you a 10 day suspension. And a McHale clothesline of Rambis would a lifetime suspension.

[Erik]

Until referees are independent from the league, this will always be a thing.

It's impossible for them to be unbiased because, as Draymond pointed out, and as I pointed out in the Heat series, they are employed by the league and the league has financial goals. People are paying money to attend and watch games on TV, and they want to see everyone play -- especially stars.

They could have fouled out every single Miami Heat player by the 3rd quarter, but they understand much like Draymond understands, that if you call their bluff, they're going to cave. The Heat can't beat the Celtics in a legitimate contest, but if they foul every play and the refs only call the obvious ones (or most of them), they might have a chance right?

I'm not sure why he said it out loud, though. He's just asking for it now as the league has to maintain the illusion of impartiality and accuracy. So he's not only calling their bluff through the actions in game, but explicitly stating it now.

[kraidstar]

He's not wrong.  Steve Javy admitted it. 

Draymond could have hit somebody with a steel chair and he wouldn't have been given a tech.

It’s crazy how we can see something in very different ways. I thought the thing on the ground was nada, and def didn’t approach hitting somebody with a metal chair. I watched the game with two other buddies (Celtics fans from MA) and they agreed that they should have played on with no tech. This is the same NBA playoffs where Laimbeer and Bird earned their techs.

No, this is not the same NBA as when Bird played. Have you not seen a Flagrant foul called these days? Have you seen a game since Bird retired? These days the Bird and Laimbeer stuff would get you a 10 day suspension. And a McHale clothesline of Rambis would a lifetime suspension.

And back then you could retaliate if one of your players was getting hit/bullied. No way were the refs letting us get away with anything. It would have just been another excuse for them to give us fouls and Ts. So effectively Draymond had a license to do whatever he wanted.

[kraidstar]

Until referees are independent from the league, this will always be a thing.

It's impossible for them to be unbiased because, as Draymond pointed out, and as I pointed out in the Heat series, they are employed by the league and the league has financial goals. People are paying money to attend and watch games on TV, and they want to see everyone play -- especially stars.

They could have fouled out every single Miami Heat player by the 3rd quarter, but they understand much like Draymond understands, that if you call their bluff, they're going to cave. The Heat can't beat the Celtics in a legitimate contest, but if they foul every play and the refs only call the obvious ones (or most of them), they might have a chance right?

I'm not sure why he said it out loud, though. He's just asking for it now as the league has to maintain the illusion of impartiality and accuracy. So he's not only calling their bluff through the actions in game, but explicitly stating it now.

Great post

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

He's not wrong.  Steve Javy admitted it. 

Draymond could have hit somebody with a steel chair and he wouldn't have been given a tech.

It’s crazy how we can see something in very different ways. I thought the thing on the ground was nada, and def didn’t approach hitting somebody with a metal chair. I watched the game with two other buddies (Celtics fans from MA) and they agreed that they should have played on with no tech. This is the same NBA playoffs where Laimbeer and Bird earned their techs.

No, this is not the same NBA as when Bird played. Have you not seen a Flagrant foul called these days? Have you seen a game since Bird retired? These days the Bird and Laimbeer stuff would get you a 10 day suspension. And a McHale clothesline of Rambis would a lifetime suspension.

And back then you could retaliate if one of your players was getting hit/bullied. No way were the refs letting us get away with anything. It would have just been another excuse for them to give us fouls and Ts. So effectively Draymond had a license to do whatever he wanted.

I just posted this in another thread. Not one player on our team was in foul trouble. Let's push the throttle and get physical, then complain about the refs when guys foul out.

[Kernewek]

Until referees are independent from the league, this will always be a thing.

It's impossible for them to be unbiased because, as Draymond pointed out, and as I pointed out in the Heat series, they are employed by the league and the league has financial goals. People are paying money to attend and watch games on TV, and they want to see everyone play -- especially stars.

They could have fouled out every single Miami Heat player by the 3rd quarter, but they understand much like Draymond understands, that if you call their bluff, they're going to cave. The Heat can't beat the Celtics in a legitimate contest, but if they foul every play and the refs only call the obvious ones (or most of them), they might have a chance right?

I'm not sure why he said it out loud, though. He's just asking for it now as the league has to maintain the illusion of impartiality and accuracy. So he's not only calling their bluff through the actions in game, but explicitly stating it now.

Independent referees meaning what? Referees not paid by the NBA? Who pays for them? Who vets them? How does the relationship work here?

[jpotter33]

https://apple.news/AheNOdngbQIufNb777Oljmw

Some national media (USA Today) calling out this nonsense by the officials. Bleacher Report called it out, too, though that doesn’t mean much. Will be interesting to see what comes of this.

[ozgod]

this is a bad look for the league - but only to people who actually care.  Both Javie and Draymond's comments essentially confirm the biased-officiating accusations that fans have levied against the league for years.  one of two things will happen: (1) the league comes down hard on Green in game 3 (or better yet the series) where he can't breath due to foul trouble and anything close to earning a tech will get him one and quite probably that second one to shoot down that commentary that a player with a tech already has carte blanch to run amok or (2) the league makes a hard push to bury those comments to sweep this under the rug to go on with business as usual and avoid further investigation into corruption and game manipulation due to the financial impacts to their new business buddy -- sports gambling.   Which situation happens will be heavily dependent on what the national media does with this story.  I suspect that the national media being the corporate toadies they are, won't pursue this at all and this will not get mentioned anywhere outside of maybe Boston today or afterwards.

They'll sweep it under the rug like they did with Donaghy. If the NBA cared about it's image, it would've fixed it a long time ago. In the end, the league will always choose money.

What they'll say is that Steve Javie is an ex-employee and was talking as a private citizen. Plausible deniability. Everyone knows they do this stuff. I don't think specific match fixing like Donaghy did is widespread, but definitely this kind of stuff is, where they make decisions that are not consistent, in the interest of "managing the game as a spectacle".

[Moranis]

I honestly don't want the refs to call every foul.  The game would be unwatchable.  It is like holding in the NFL.  There is holding on every single play, but you can't just call it every time or nothing would happen.  They do need to be more consistent in how they call fouls, but I'm fine with letting them play, it is a much better product overall.  For example, I have enjoyed these first two games far more than I enjoyed the first two games of the Miami series.  There were large portions of the ECF that were hard to watch.  The only reason this series has been hard to watch in the embarrassing 3rd quarter displays from the C's.

[angryguy77]

I honestly don't want the refs to call every foul.  The game would be unwatchable.  It is like holding in the NFL.  There is holding on every single play, but you can't just call it every time or nothing would happen.  They do need to be more consistent in how they call fouls, but I'm fine with letting them play, it is a much better product overall.  For example, I have enjoyed these first two games far more than I enjoyed the first two games of the Miami series.  There were large portions of the ECF that were hard to watch.  The only reason this series has been hard to watch in the embarrassing 3rd quarter displays from the C's.

I don't think anyone wants Barny Fife out there calling fouls, but just have it be the same for both teams. 

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I honestly don't want the refs to call every foul.  The game would be unwatchable.  It is like holding in the NFL.  There is holding on every single play, but you can't just call it every time or nothing would happen.  They do need to be more consistent in how they call fouls, but I'm fine with letting them play, it is a much better product overall.  For example, I have enjoyed these first two games far more than I enjoyed the first two games of the Miami series.  There were large portions of the ECF that were hard to watch.  The only reason this series has been hard to watch in the embarrassing 3rd quarter displays from the C's.

TP. I agree with all of this.

[libermaniac]

Until referees are independent from the league, this will always be a thing.

It's impossible for them to be unbiased because, as Draymond pointed out, and as I pointed out in the Heat series, they are employed by the league and the league has financial goals. People are paying money to attend and watch games on TV, and they want to see everyone play -- especially stars.

They could have fouled out every single Miami Heat player by the 3rd quarter, but they understand much like Draymond understands, that if you call their bluff, they're going to cave. The Heat can't beat the Celtics in a legitimate contest, but if they foul every play and the refs only call the obvious ones (or most of them), they might have a chance right?

I'm not sure why he said it out loud, though. He's just asking for it now as the league has to maintain the illusion of impartiality and accuracy. So he's not only calling their bluff through the actions in game, but explicitly stating it now.

Great post

Except the part where he called our opponent the Heat. 

[Celtics2021]

I honestly don't want the refs to call every foul.  The game would be unwatchable.  It is like holding in the NFL.  There is holding on every single play, but you can't just call it every time or nothing would happen.  They do need to be more consistent in how they call fouls, but I'm fine with letting them play, it is a much better product overall.  For example, I have enjoyed these first two games far more than I enjoyed the first two games of the Miami series.  There were large portions of the ECF that were hard to watch.  The only reason this series has been hard to watch in the embarrassing 3rd quarter displays from the C's.

I don't think anyone wants Barny Fife out there calling fouls, but just have it be the same for both teams.

Yep, that's what I want.  Last night wasn't, and that wasn't the first time this has occurred this postseason with that particular official.  In the last 5 games (over the last three series), the Celtics have been outscored by 66 in the 3rd quarter.  In the other 11 games from the Bucks onwards, the Celtics have actually outscored their opponents in the third on average.  You want the Celtics to have a better 3rd quarter, get a different official.