Draymond Green's post game arrogance

[celticinorlando]

He serves zero function on the basketball court these day other than being a goon. He can’t shoot. All he has is that big mouth of his berating officials and players.

The refs were either told to let him do what he wanted or they were scared to call anything on him.

He is an a hole to the highest degree.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

He serves zero function on the basketball court these day other than being a goon. He can’t shoot. All he has is that big mouth of his berating officials and players.

The refs were either told to let him do what he wanted or they were scared to call anything on him.

He is an a hole to the highest degree.

Interesting take. I think he’s the emotional leader of the team that sets the mood. Continue to discount other teams and their players if it helps you sleep.

[cman88]

if someone gets their first tech. shouldnt they be on eggshells rest of the game? I dont understand the explanation that "well they got first tech so should do whatever they want because refs dont want to eject him."

For all the chatter around the referees being an undue influence on the outcome of the game, there are few things that an NBA referee can do to more directly influence a game than throw a player out with a technical foul.

So this creates the dissonance you're talking about -- players have to play soft to avoid 'actual' fouls, but in terms of behaviour they know that they'll really have to go beyond the pale to get the second tech.

once again. thats on Draymond to not act like a goon and get a 2nd tech. just like it was on Jaylen to play soft the rest of the game on defense because he didnt want to foul out. The rule shouldnt be "i got my first tech so now i can go all out"

[cman88]

He serves zero function on the basketball court these day other than being a goon. He can’t shoot. All he has is that big mouth of his berating officials and players.

The refs were either told to let him do what he wanted or they were scared to call anything on him.

He is an a hole to the highest degree.

Interesting take. I think he’s the emotional leader of the team that sets the mood. Continue to discount other teams and their players if it helps you sleep.

I honestly dont see what he said being wrong. unless you think Draymond is a good "basketball player" he cant shoot or score...he just sets moving picks and plays agressive because he knows he wont get kicked out.

[Moranis]

if someone gets their first tech. shouldnt they be on eggshells rest of the game? I dont understand the explanation that "well they got first tech so should do whatever they want because refs dont want to eject him."

For all the chatter around the referees being an undue influence on the outcome of the game, there are few things that an NBA referee can do to more directly influence a game than throw a player out with a technical foul.

So this creates the dissonance you're talking about -- players have to play soft to avoid 'actual' fouls, but in terms of behaviour they know that they'll really have to go beyond the pale to get the second tech.

once again. thats on Draymond to not act like a goon and get a 2nd tech. just like it was on Jaylen to play soft the rest of the game on defense because he didnt want to foul out. The rule shouldnt be "i got my first tech so now i can go all out"

agree, but it has been that way for a very long time.  Sam Mitchell on his radio show was talking about a game years ago when he was player playing against Karl Malone.  Malone picked up a tech and Sam said for the next 2 or 3 possessions Karl was just berating the ref and saying things like "are you going to kick me out, when all these fans are here to see me" and things of that nature.  Sam says he asked the ref if was going to take that and Sam got the T.  On the radio show, Sam then went on and on about how cowardly the refs are and how he can't stand most of them because of things like that. 

So this is not new and players know it.  They know once they get a T, they basically have to fight someone to get ejected.  That shouldn't be the way it is, but that is the way it has been for years.

[Kernewek]

if someone gets their first tech. shouldnt they be on eggshells rest of the game? I dont understand the explanation that "well they got first tech so should do whatever they want because refs dont want to eject him."

For all the chatter around the referees being an undue influence on the outcome of the game, there are few things that an NBA referee can do to more directly influence a game than throw a player out with a technical foul.

So this creates the dissonance you're talking about -- players have to play soft to avoid 'actual' fouls, but in terms of behaviour they know that they'll really have to go beyond the pale to get the second tech.

once again. thats on Draymond to not act like a goon and get a 2nd tech. just like it was on Jaylen to play soft the rest of the game on defense because he didnt want to foul out. The rule shouldnt be "i got my first tech so now i can go all out"

Not disagreeing with you, just clarifying because you asked.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

He serves zero function on the basketball court these day other than being a goon. He can’t shoot. All he has is that big mouth of his berating officials and players.

The refs were either told to let him do what he wanted or they were scared to call anything on him.

He is an a hole to the highest degree.

Interesting take. I think he’s the emotional leader of the team that sets the mood. Continue to discount other teams and their players if it helps you sleep.

I honestly dont see what he said being wrong. unless you think Draymond is a good "basketball player" he cant shoot or score...he just sets moving picks and plays agressive because he knows he wont get kicked out.

I think he's a very good basketball player.

He's almost the opposite of Kyrie. His individual offensive "ball skills" are below average. His intangibles are through the roof. He has the uncanny ability to get under your skin, which has a large impact on winning.

I understand that he's not the same player that won those three rings, but his attitude and willingness to do dirty work hasn't dissipated. If anything, I want Marcus to bring this same energy, as I think it would help us win this series.

Draymond is incredibly polarizing. I'm not sure how many Celtics fans would hate to have him on their squad in a NBA Finals.

[slamtheking]

this is a bad look for the league - but only to people who actually care.  Both Javie and Draymond's comments essentially confirm the biased-officiating accusations that fans have levied against the league for years.  one of two things will happen: (1) the league comes down hard on Green in game 3 (or better yet the series) where he can't breath due to foul trouble and anything close to earning a tech will get him one and quite probably that second one to shoot down that commentary that a player with a tech already has carte blanch to run amok or (2) the league makes a hard push to bury those comments to sweep this under the rug to go on with business as usual and avoid further investigation into corruption and game manipulation due to the financial impacts to their new business buddy -- sports gambling.   Which situation happens will be heavily dependent on what the national media does with this story.  I suspect that the national media being the corporate toadies they are, won't pursue this at all and this will not get mentioned anywhere outside of maybe Boston today or afterwards.

[celticinorlando]

He serves zero function on the basketball court these day other than being a goon. He can’t shoot. All he has is that big mouth of his berating officials and players.

The refs were either told to let him do what he wanted or they were scared to call anything on him.

He is an a hole to the highest degree.

Interesting take. I think he’s the emotional leader of the team that sets the mood. Continue to discount other teams and their players if it helps you sleep.

I will. And I’m sure you will continue to be the board contrarian.
Green can’t just play basketball. He turned that game into a swamp last night with the help of the officials. He’s a dirty player. Always has been.

[jbpats]

this is a bad look for the league - but only to people who actually care.  Both Javie and Draymond's comments essentially confirm the biased-officiating accusations that fans have levied against the league for years.  one of two things will happen: (1) the league comes down hard on Green in game 3 (or better yet the series) where he can't breath due to foul trouble and anything close to earning a tech will get him one and quite probably that second one to shoot down that commentary that a player with a tech already has carte blanch to run amok or (2) the league makes a hard push to bury those comments to sweep this under the rug to go on with business as usual and avoid further investigation into corruption and game manipulation due to the financial impacts to their new business buddy -- sports gambling.   Which situation happens will be heavily dependent on what the national media does with this story.  I suspect that the national media being the corporate toadies they are, won't pursue this at all and this will not get mentioned anywhere outside of maybe Boston today or afterwards.

Seeing that you can google Draymond Green's name right now and the topic does not come up at all, the latter assumption is obviously true.

[slamtheking]

this is a bad look for the league - but only to people who actually care.  Both Javie and Draymond's comments essentially confirm the biased-officiating accusations that fans have levied against the league for years.  one of two things will happen: (1) the league comes down hard on Green in game 3 (or better yet the series) where he can't breath due to foul trouble and anything close to earning a tech will get him one and quite probably that second one to shoot down that commentary that a player with a tech already has carte blanch to run amok or (2) the league makes a hard push to bury those comments to sweep this under the rug to go on with business as usual and avoid further investigation into corruption and game manipulation due to the financial impacts to their new business buddy -- sports gambling.   Which situation happens will be heavily dependent on what the national media does with this story.  I suspect that the national media being the corporate toadies they are, won't pursue this at all and this will not get mentioned anywhere outside of maybe Boston today or afterwards.

Seeing that you can google Draymond Green's name right now and the topic does not come up at all, the latter assumption is obviously true.

I highly expect the league to try as hard as possible to bury this so that they can continue to manipulate games to their liking.  they may not be pushing for a specific winner but there's just too much circumstantial evidence piling up that they want to extend series as much as possible for the $.

[ozgod]

Draymond Green after Game 2 of the finals Sunday night, bragged that he has earned biased treatment by officials in the NBA. He arrogantly stated that he could do what he wanted in Game 2 because he knew they would never hit him with a 2nd tech after the first he got in a skirmish with Grant Williams. He went so far as to lean in with the officials while they reviewed a possible flagrant against him in the 2nd half, which would have resulted in a game ejection. He literally stuck himself in there to intimidate the refs.

His quote, "I've earned differential treatment' from refs."
(Actually Draymond, the word is "deferential"). A differential is part of the rear axle of an automobile, nitwit.

How is it he gets away with all this ? Why didn't Ime go nuclear when Green pulled that stunt during the video review ?
Ime should have been all over the officials about Green's rough/dirty play tonite, which apparently, he knows he can do with impunity.
Not sure how he has "earned" this favorable treatment he refers to, though he got it last nite.
Jaylen wilted in the face of Green's aggression, Horford was non-existent and Marcus (our version of Draymond Green) should have been all in Green's face giving it right back to him. Grant sure wasn't afraid of the guy. We need to come out physical and ready Wednesday night and someone needs to put Draymond on his ass early and often.

To be fair to Ime, he did get a tech for expressing to the officials his dissatisfaction on how the game was being "managed", and according to him it was on purpose. Not sure what else he could have done short of getting himself thrown out of the game.

I'm more surprised that Steve Javie went on national television to admit that the refs manage games, that they apply selective judgment on who gets a tech and who doesn't based on who already has one and if giving another one out would cause that person to be ejected (the implication being that Draymond being ejected would ruin the game as a spectacle). Basically saying that some people don't get techs if they already have one so they don't get kicked out. Someone really needs to look into that but nobody will.

[Silas]

Seems like this situation should be brought to the attention of NBA management by Brad.  My thought is that Brad does not have the balls to go public and potentially get fined.  Speak up Brad and let your Celtics fans know that you give a sh**.  We do!

[ozgod]

Seems like this situation should be brought to the attention of NBA management by Brad.  My thought is that Brad does not have the balls to go public and potentially get fined.  Speak up Brad and let your Celtics fans know that you give a sh**.  We do!

Part of it also could be that these things get brought up but not in public. The fans are not necessarily privy to everything the team does (though we wish we were, because we kind of feel like we're part of the team  )

The flip side to it all of course, could be that we have our own "Draymond" in Marcus Smart. When he gets a tech, does that mean he gets deferential treatment as well? This is where the double standard applies - what about teams that have well behaved players that don't push the edge? Are they disadvantaged compared to teams that do, from a refereeing perspective?

[angryguy77]

this is a bad look for the league - but only to people who actually care.  Both Javie and Draymond's comments essentially confirm the biased-officiating accusations that fans have levied against the league for years.  one of two things will happen: (1) the league comes down hard on Green in game 3 (or better yet the series) where he can't breath due to foul trouble and anything close to earning a tech will get him one and quite probably that second one to shoot down that commentary that a player with a tech already has carte blanch to run amok or (2) the league makes a hard push to bury those comments to sweep this under the rug to go on with business as usual and avoid further investigation into corruption and game manipulation due to the financial impacts to their new business buddy -- sports gambling.   Which situation happens will be heavily dependent on what the national media does with this story.  I suspect that the national media being the corporate toadies they are, won't pursue this at all and this will not get mentioned anywhere outside of maybe Boston today or afterwards.

They'll sweep it under the rug like they did with Donaghy. If the NBA cared about it's image, it would've fixed it a long time ago. In the end, the league will always choose money.