Jaylen Brown Throws Shade At GreenlyGreenly...

[Roy H.]

I kid, but:

The Celtics got off to a slow start this season, and Brown said he couldn’t help but hear the calls to have him traded. “That trade talk was loud, and most of it came from Boston fans,” Brown told Yahoo Sports.

Love you, Greenly.

[johnnygreen]

To be fair, this team was unwatchable the first half of the season, and deserved all the criticism they received.

As for improving this team in the offseason, Jaylen is the key. He is an elite shooter, but struggles offensively when given too many responsibilities. It looks like the game doesn't come naturally to him, and he is thinking too much on the offensive end. It would seem to me, Jaylen should mirror his offensive game around the likes of Klay Thompson, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller. Move without the ball, use screens, and catch and shoot. This strategy seems more instinctual for his skillset.

Jaylen does get his points at the end of the day, but they don't seem to come in crunch time. To me, having two legitimate scoring threats to close a game will improve this team leaps and bounds. Right now, Tatum is the closer, with Smart being the #2 option, since Jaylen essentially becomes invisible.

[trickybilly]

Is this real? Did jaylen actually say that?

[trickybilly]

To be fair, this team was unwatchable the first half of the season, and deserved all the criticism they received.

As for improving this team in the offseason, Jaylen is the key. He is an elite shooter, but struggles offensively when given too many responsibilities. It looks like the game doesn't come naturally to him, and he is thinking too much on the offensive end. It would seem to me, Jaylen should mirror his offensive game around the likes of Klay Thompson, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller. Move without the ball, use screens, and catch and shoot. This strategy seems more instinctual for his skillset.

Jaylen does get his points at the end of the day, but they don't seem to come in crunch time. To me, having two legitimate scoring threats to close a game will improve this team leaps and bounds. Right now, Tatum is the closer, with Smart being the #2 option, since Jaylen essentially becomes invisible.

Propose mega trade or shut the EDITED FOR PROFANITY up.

[Vermont Green]

To be fair, this team was unwatchable the first half of the season, and deserved all the criticism they received.

As for improving this team in the offseason, Jaylen is the key. He is an elite shooter, but struggles offensively when given too many responsibilities. It looks like the game doesn't come naturally to him, and he is thinking too much on the offensive end. It would seem to me, Jaylen should mirror his offensive game around the likes of Klay Thompson, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller. Move without the ball, use screens, and catch and shoot. This strategy seems more instinctual for his skillset.

Jaylen does get his points at the end of the day, but they don't seem to come in crunch time. To me, having two legitimate scoring threats to close a game will improve this team leaps and bounds. Right now, Tatum is the closer, with Smart being the #2 option, since Jaylen essentially becomes invisible.

I don't know if that is "fair".  To not like how they were playing, that is normal.  But if based on that, you called for Smart to be traded as the fix, you were wrong.  If you concluded after 50 games that Ime was a bad coach, and was hired only because the players wanted and African American coach, you were wrong.  Is that fair?  It is not unexpected, it is all part of being a fan, but it was reactionary and turned out to be unfounded.  Is being overly reactionary "fair"?

And specific to Jaylen Brown, I don't think your conclusion that "Jaylen essentially becomes invisible" is fair.  In the 4th quarter in the playoffs this season:

     Tatum (closer):              6.7 pts on 54%/48%/88% shooting with 1.0 Turnovers
     Brown (invisible man):   6.7 pts on 62%/67%/64% shooting with 0.6 Turnovers

That is in 18 games for Brown and 17 games for Tatum (Tatum didn't play at all in the 4th in one of the MIL games).  The only thing that in my mind that would be fair would be so say that Brown gets tight at the free throw line in the 4th quarter in playoff games.  Now last game (Game 7) Tatum had 7 pts and 1 turnover while Brown 1 pt and 3 turnovers, not a great 4th for Brown.  So it would be fair to say that Brown had a poor 4th quarter in that 1 game.

The humble things to say at this point would be, boy I got that wrong (and I have been wrong plenty so I speak from experience), if you were screaming Smart is terrible, not try to continue to defend it as being fair (just for example and I am not saying you were one of those but there were plenty).

[jambr380]

Brown's too sensitive, which worries me because he won't be able to sign a true max extension the year before his contract is up.

Not that I definitely think he has one foot out the door, but Horford, Kyrie, and Hayward have me a little frazzled on losing talent for nothing. Wait, I guess we at least got a TPE out of Hayward leaving.

[Alleyoopster]

I vote to close this discussion.

[perks-a-beast]

This is the NBA. If you and your team play poorly, you're most likely going to end up in trade rumors. Part of the business, bud.

[blink]

To be fair, this team was unwatchable the first half of the season, and deserved all the criticism they received.

As for improving this team in the offseason, Jaylen is the key. He is an elite shooter, but struggles offensively when given too many responsibilities. It looks like the game doesn't come naturally to him, and he is thinking too much on the offensive end. It would seem to me, Jaylen should mirror his offensive game around the likes of Klay Thompson, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller. Move without the ball, use screens, and catch and shoot. This strategy seems more instinctual for his skillset.

Jaylen does get his points at the end of the day, but they don't seem to come in crunch time. To me, having two legitimate scoring threats to close a game will improve this team leaps and bounds. Right now, Tatum is the closer, with Smart being the #2 option, since Jaylen essentially becomes invisible.

I don't know if that is "fair".  To not like how they were playing, that is normal.  But if based on that, you called for Smart to be traded as the fix, you were wrong.  If you concluded after 50 games that Ime was a bad coach, and was hired only because the players wanted and African American coach, you were wrong.  Is that fair?  It is not unexpected, it is all part of being a fan, but it was reactionary and turned out to be unfounded.  Is being overly reactionary "fair"?

And specific to Jaylen Brown, I don't think your conclusion that "Jaylen essentially becomes invisible" is fair.  In the 4th quarter in the playoffs this season:

     Tatum (closer):              6.7 pts on 54%/48%/88% shooting with 1.0 Turnovers
     Brown (invisible man):   6.7 pts on 62%/67%/64% shooting with 0.6 Turnovers

That is in 18 games for Brown and 17 games for Tatum (Tatum didn't play at all in the 4th in one of the MIL games).  The only thing that in my mind that would be fair would be so say that Brown gets tight at the free throw line in the 4th quarter in playoff games.  Now last game (Game 7) Tatum had 7 pts and 1 turnover while Brown 1 pt and 3 turnovers, not a great 4th for Brown.  So it would be fair to say that Brown had a poor 4th quarter in that 1 game.

The humble things to say at this point would be, boy I got that wrong (and I have been wrong plenty so I speak from experience), if you were screaming Smart is terrible, not try to continue to defend it as being fair (just for example and I am not saying you were one of those but there were plenty).

I agree with your take on the bolded especially.  Earlier in the playoffs there was a ton of complaints from this site that Jaylen never showed up UNTIL the 4th quarter.  So now it is he sucks in the 4th quarter when his production is so close to Tatum's?   So which one is it?  The Brown haters just flip flop as required. 

Brown (playoffs) is averaging 23 ppg on 49/39/75 shooting, 6.8 rebounds, and 3.5 assists per game with less turnovers per game than Tatum.  I think that is pretty good for our #2 star behind Tatum.  Evidently that isn't enough for some of us here. 

[Roy H.]

Is this real? Did jaylen actually say that?

About the trades?  Yes, the quoted part is real.  Marcus also quipped about the fans.  But they also recognized their poor play at the start of the year.

About Greenly?  Not so much, lol.

[keevsnick]

To be fair, this team was unwatchable the first half of the season, and deserved all the criticism they received.

As for improving this team in the offseason, Jaylen is the key. He is an elite shooter, but struggles offensively when given too many responsibilities. It looks like the game doesn't come naturally to him, and he is thinking too much on the offensive end. It would seem to me, Jaylen should mirror his offensive game around the likes of Klay Thompson, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller. Move without the ball, use screens, and catch and shoot. This strategy seems more instinctual for his skillset.

Jaylen does get his points at the end of the day, but they don't seem to come in crunch time. To me, having two legitimate scoring threats to close a game will improve this team leaps and bounds. Right now, Tatum is the closer, with Smart being the #2 option, since Jaylen essentially becomes invisible.

I don't know if that is "fair".  To not like how they were playing, that is normal.  But if based on that, you called for Smart to be traded as the fix, you were wrong.  If you concluded after 50 games that Ime was a bad coach, and was hired only because the players wanted and African American coach, you were wrong.  Is that fair?  It is not unexpected, it is all part of being a fan, but it was reactionary and turned out to be unfounded.  Is being overly reactionary "fair"?

And specific to Jaylen Brown, I don't think your conclusion that "Jaylen essentially becomes invisible" is fair.  In the 4th quarter in the playoffs this season:

     Tatum (closer):              6.7 pts on 54%/48%/88% shooting with 1.0 Turnovers
     Brown (invisible man):   6.7 pts on 62%/67%/64% shooting with 0.6 Turnovers

That is in 18 games for Brown and 17 games for Tatum (Tatum didn't play at all in the 4th in one of the MIL games).  The only thing that in my mind that would be fair would be so say that Brown gets tight at the free throw line in the 4th quarter in playoff games.  Now last game (Game 7) Tatum had 7 pts and 1 turnover while Brown 1 pt and 3 turnovers, not a great 4th for Brown.  So it would be fair to say that Brown had a poor 4th quarter in that 1 game.

The humble things to say at this point would be, boy I got that wrong (and I have been wrong plenty so I speak from experience), if you were screaming Smart is terrible, not try to continue to defend it as being fair (just for example and I am not saying you were one of those but there were plenty).

I agree with your take on the bolded especially.  Earlier in the playoffs there was a ton of complaints from this site that Jaylen never showed up UNTIL the 4th quarter.  So now it is he sucks in the 4th quarter when his production is so close to Tatum's?   So which one is it?  The Brown haters just flip flop as required. 

Brown (playoffs) is averaging 23 ppg on 49/39/75 shooting, 6.8 rebounds, and 3.5 assists per game with less turnovers per game than Tatum.  I think that is pretty good for our #2 star behind Tatum.  Evidently that isn't enough for some of us here.

Brown has been, without a doubt, a very good #2 option for the Celtics during this playoff run. Probably the best #2 option in the playoffs when you factor in his very good defense.

People who wanted to trade him were wrong mid season, obviously wrong, even at the time obviously wrong. He's not a perfect player, he has weakness (mostly dribbling in traffic), be he also has awesome strengths that every good team needs. And he and Tatum have also put up excellent net ratings when on the court together.

Many teams spend years and a mountain of assets trying to find a wing like Jaylen.

[SCeltic34]

It's just like politics.  The outspoken and often obnoxious opinion/actions of the minority is amplified by media, and is misconstrued as being representative of the greater whole.  If a Boston fan pours beer on an opposing team's player then people assume the entire fan base is a bunch of jerks, when in fact very, very few people would actually do something like that.

I'm certain most Celtics fans did not want to trade Brown.  You don't trade away star wing players unless you're getting another one back.  Those who did are unreasonable and impatient.  Lots of trade "ideas" that called for shipping Brown out in exchange for potential future lottery picks, which are among the dumbest trade ideas anyone can concoct (unless you're going into full rebuild mode).  There's a very low chance those future picks would end up being as good as Brown is now, and furthermore these same people would just complain about them when things aren't going well, and want to trade them away too (I'm better for future picks).

Those idiotic takes about Brown and Tatum not being able to play together?  They were laughable back then and even more so now.  Give our core time to develop.  They're still young and they're getting better.  And while our team deserved some criticism, you can't deny Brown's work ethic and how much he has improved over his NBA career. 

I'd think that Brown and Smart would know better anyway.  Don't pay attention to stupid takes.  Most of us appreciate them both as players.

[SCeltic34]

Double post

[KG Living Legend]

 Came here because I figured Jaylen was throwing shade at Draymond Green

[nickagneta]

Brown's too sensitive, which worries me because he won't be able to sign a true max extension the year before his contract is up.

Not that I definitely think he has one foot out the door, but Horford, Kyrie, and Hayward have me a little frazzled on losing talent for nothing. Wait, I guess we at least got a TPE out of Hayward leaving.

You're just foisting your own insecurities on Brown. Jaylen has shown zero desire to leave. Leave your insecurities at the door and just watch for the next 6-7 games