Report: Celtics to guarantee Horford’s $26M contract regardless of Finals result

[colincb]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

I can see him getting more if he's still effective.

[footey]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

If he continues to play at this level, his market value will be well in excess of $5 mm per year.  More like 2 years at $12 mm per, and team option on 3rd year at same amount.

[bogg]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

5 a year doesn't come close to getting something done this summer. Even 20 over 2 would be considered a team-friendly extension. Anything that assumes his play's going to absolutely fall off a cliff is only getting signed if he actually goes into free agency after falling off a cliff (figuratively).

[Roy H.]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

[Celtics2021]

He’s pretty unlikely to be extended this summer.  An extension has to start at no less 60% of next year’s salary, or $15.9 million, in the first year, with decreases of no more than 8%.  So a 2-year extension would be for $30.5 million at a minimum.

Makes sense to go to the summer of 2023.  The thing the C’s can offer is a no-trade clause on a multi-year deal that year, which might help them get a slightly lower dollar amount if they want to extend that carrot.

[celticsclay]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

Really depends where he feels is at in his career. Would Al taking a 5 million deal after next season be more outrageous than when west signed with the spurs.

[SHAQATTACK]

He seems to be having as much fun as anytime in his career.   He is healthy and happy with a special niche carved out in a town his family likes.  That’s worth something.

[Roy H.]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

Really depends where he feels is at in his career. Would Al taking a 5 million deal after next season be more outrageous than when west signed with the spurs.

Outrageous?  Nope.  Well below market value?  Yep.

[Moranis]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

Really depends where he feels is at in his career. Would Al taking a 5 million deal after next season be more outrageous than when west signed with the spurs.

Outrageous?  Nope.  Well below market value?  Yep.

I don't think that is well below market value at all for a guy that will be 37 when the deal starts.  I wouldnt be surprised at all if he is a veteran minimum player during that contract. That will be year 17, 18, and 19,  Lebron and Paul not with standing, when guys hit that mileage they usually aren't anything more than vet minimum players (and Paul is younger now at the end of year 17 than Al will be at the start of it).  I just can't see some team thinking Al is worth the MLE (even the taxpayer one) another whole year from now.

Vince Carter seems like a fair comparison. 

[Roy H.]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

Really depends where he feels is at in his career. Would Al taking a 5 million deal after next season be more outrageous than when west signed with the spurs.

Outrageous?  Nope.  Well below market value?  Yep.

I don't think that is well below market value at all for a guy that will be 37 when the deal starts.  I wouldnt be surprised at all if he is a veteran minimum player during that contract. That will be year 17, 18, and 19,  Lebron and Paul not with standing, when guys hit that mileage they usually aren't anything more than vet minimum players (and Paul is younger now at the end of year 17 than Al will be at the start of it).  I just can't see some team thinking Al is worth the MLE (even the taxpayer one) another whole year from now.

Vince Carter seems like a fair comparison.

How many players play at Horford’s level at age 36?

You think he’s going to get a contract that ranks outside the top-200?  Despite being an elite defender and a top-15 player at his position?

[JSD]

Horford has a young family, with all the money he’s made, especially if he wins a title, I bet he just retires and joins espn or something l.

Edit - after next season, I mean

[colincb]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Horford was ranked 15th, 16th, and 42nd for overall REAL +/-, RAPTOR, and Estimated +/- this season. Averages to being the 24th best in the NBA.

If he’s anywhere in the same area code next season, they’re not paying him $5MM the next season just because he’s 37 Years old.


Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

Really depends where he feels is at in his career. Would Al taking a 5 million deal after next season be more outrageous than when west signed with the spurs.

Outrageous?  Nope.  Well below market value?  Yep.

I don't think that is well below market value at all for a guy that will be 37 when the deal starts.  I wouldnt be surprised at all if he is a veteran minimum player during that contract. That will be year 17, 18, and 19,  Lebron and Paul not with standing, when guys hit that mileage they usually aren't anything more than vet minimum players (and Paul is younger now at the end of year 17 than Al will be at the start of it).  I just can't see some team thinking Al is worth the MLE (even the taxpayer one) another whole year from now.

Vince Carter seems like a fair comparison.

How many players play at Horford’s level at age 36?

You think he’s going to get a contract that ranks outside the top-200?  Despite being an elite defender and a top-15 player at his position?

[colincb]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

Really depends where he feels is at in his career. Would Al taking a 5 million deal after next season be more outrageous than when west signed with the spurs.

Outrageous?  Nope.  Well below market value?  Yep.

I don't think that is well below market value at all for a guy that will be 37 when the deal starts.  I wouldnt be surprised at all if he is a veteran minimum player during that contract. That will be year 17, 18, and 19,  Lebron and Paul not with standing, when guys hit that mileage they usually aren't anything more than vet minimum players (and Paul is younger now at the end of year 17 than Al will be at the start of it).  I just can't see some team thinking Al is worth the MLE (even the taxpayer one) another whole year from now.

Vince Carter seems like a fair comparison.

How many players play at Horford’s level at age 36?

You think he’s going to get a contract that ranks outside the top-200?  Despite being an elite defender and a top-15 player at his position?

Horford was ranked 15th, 16th, and 42nd for overall REAL +/-, RAPTOR, and Estimated +/- this season. Averages to being the 24th best in the NBA.

If he’s anywhere in the same area code next season, they’re not paying him $5MM the next season just because he’s 37 Years old.

[Moranis]

Hopefully they can extend him this summer.  I'd be all for a reasonable extension, like 3 years, 15 million or something (and before anyone says 5 million is small, that will be for when Al is 37, 38, and 39 and I can't see him getting more than 5 million a year for those years).

Less than the Taxpayer MLE?

Really depends where he feels is at in his career. Would Al taking a 5 million deal after next season be more outrageous than when west signed with the spurs.

Outrageous?  Nope.  Well below market value?  Yep.

I don't think that is well below market value at all for a guy that will be 37 when the deal starts.  I wouldnt be surprised at all if he is a veteran minimum player during that contract. That will be year 17, 18, and 19,  Lebron and Paul not with standing, when guys hit that mileage they usually aren't anything more than vet minimum players (and Paul is younger now at the end of year 17 than Al will be at the start of it).  I just can't see some team thinking Al is worth the MLE (even the taxpayer one) another whole year from now.

Vince Carter seems like a fair comparison.

How many players play at Horford’s level at age 36?

You think he’s going to get a contract that ranks outside the top-200?  Despite being an elite defender and a top-15 player at his position?

I said I thought Vince Carter was a fair comparison.  At age 36, he played in 81 games, averaged 25.8 mpg, scored 13.4 ppg, grabbed 4.1 rpg, dished 2.4 apg shooting over 40% from 3 on nearly 5 attempts a game (and that was way back in 2013).  The Mavs were 11.3 points per 100 possessions better with Carter on the floor.  He had 6 WS with a decent BPM, VORP, etc. 

Vince's salary that season was just over 3 million, more than the veteran minimum, but well under the MLE. 

No team is going to look at Horford at age 37 and going to say, he is the guy we need to put us over the top.  There aren't going to be many suitors at all for anything more than the veteran minimum, because that is just what happens in those scenarios.  Only guys that could be considered real difference makers (like James and Paul) still command contracts above the MLE at that point and most players in that position are veteran minimum players even if they may actually hold more value than that. 

Iggy is making 2.641 million for the Warriors this year.  He is 38, so older (though was 37 when he signed it), but there is no way he was going to make anywhere close to what he had been making because no one thinks of a player like him in that sort of same mold.   Same with Dwight Howard (though he obviously had some off court issues in the past, that doesn't appear to be the case anymore). 

I'd be incredibly surprised if on the open market, Horford got more than 5 million a year for more than 1 year next summer (he might get one of those 1 year, 10 million type contracts, and then go to vet. min. after that). 

[gouki88]

I'm not sure that Al will bother playing until he's 38, especially if we win a title this year or next year. He's played 950 regular season games, 141 playoff games and 109 college games. It's reasonable to expect he'll probably have almost 1,300 combined NBA and college games by the end of next season (currently sitting at 1,200). That's a lot of wear and tear. He's 36 in a couple of days too.

That's a pretty legit career.