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Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2022, 05:06:21 PM »

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Bol Bol is still injured, Moranis.  Otherwise fair points.

For instance, could Bryn Forbes help right now?  As I mentioned at the time:

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Forbes is the only decent player in that deal and we didn't get him.

It's interesting how we valued assets here.

Forbes salary is $4.5 million

Bol + Dozier combined make approximately $4.1 million.

So, for roughly $400k and a second rounder, we chose the two useless players over the one guy who could potentially help.

He just gave Denver 15 mpg in the playoffs, after playing 20 playoff games (14 mpg) for Milwaukee last season.
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Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2022, 06:03:14 PM »

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Man, I'm getting old. I remember Dante Exum getting drafted 4th, two picks before Marcus. He was the hot player at draft time that year, kind of the way Kris Dunn was a few years later in Brown's draft class.

And WCS was supposed to reinvent NBA defense.

Michael Carter-Williams, the RoY who Philly traded as part of "the process."

Ahh, good times.

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Is this "old" ahah

Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2022, 06:10:36 PM »

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Bol Bol is still injured, Moranis.  Otherwise fair points.

For instance, could Bryn Forbes help right now?  As I mentioned at the time:

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Forbes is the only decent player in that deal and we didn't get him.

It's interesting how we valued assets here.

Forbes salary is $4.5 million

Bol + Dozier combined make approximately $4.1 million.

So, for roughly $400k and a second rounder, we chose the two useless players over the one guy who could potentially help.

He just gave Denver 15 mpg in the playoffs, after playing 20 playoff games (14 mpg) for Milwaukee last season.

Yeah there clearly were some useful players we could have added over kornet, stauskas, etc. guys that are not prospects any more but also can’t play. Forbes or zeller certainly could have helped last night for a few minutes. For people saying we didn’t lose cause of our bench last night, I really don’t get the irrational confidence talking about something you have no way of knowing. It is entirely possible brown and Tatum coke out less sloppy if they were able to get a few minutes rest in the first half. We just have no no way of knowing.

Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2022, 06:36:09 PM »

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We had to fix our top 8 guys first.

Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2022, 06:56:28 PM »

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We had to fix our top 8 guys first.

That’s not really related to why are talking about. They could have signed zeller for the minimum or many other players at the time we were signing all the stiffs. Is this like a new thing thing we can’t have even mild criticism of stevens even if completely valid? I like his trades, the coach selection. I’m hardly a negative fan of our team. Acting like we couldn’t have possibly done anything slightly difference when we have a bunch of guys we don’t play in desperation and don’t have upside clearly something we could have done better on. Tp to roy and others for being able to have a nuanced view of this.

Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2022, 07:27:04 PM »

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We had to fix our top 8 guys first.

That’s not really related to why are talking about. They could have signed zeller for the minimum or many other players at the time we were signing all the stiffs. Is this like a new thing thing we can’t have even mild criticism of stevens even if completely valid? I like his trades, the coach selection. I’m hardly a negative fan of our team. Acting like we couldn’t have possibly done anything slightly difference when we have a bunch of guys we don’t play in desperation and don’t have upside clearly something we could have done better on. Tp to roy and others for being able to have a nuanced view of this.

I'm more in the boat of - if we don't manage the finals this year, I won't lose my head. I also think you can't really optimize every single thing, because you only have so much time and resources, and you're working with people not cogs in a machine.

There's one of Ime, and several of Tatum, Brown and Smart, to a lesser extent Grant and TimeLord, who, despite all they've accomplished, were coming off a couple down years of underperformance (relatively) and COVID games. (My feeling is that) these guys needed a lot of attention - to stop whining to the refs, to play focused, to lead, to stop chucking 3's, stop iso'ing and play as a team.

Fans keep talking about "oh Ime should have sat him earlier" or "oh he should have brought them out earlier". But if Jaylen is used to getting a break 5 minutes into the quarter, and any change to that schedule might mess up his rhythm, then he has to take that break. By the same token, (I feel) Ime ran a tight rotation to instill more accountability - as in, Tatum you're going to play these 40 minutes, and you're responsible for whatever happens - and even at the expense of losing a game or 2, having that consistency and cutting out variables is helpful.

I am a huge fan of Brad, and I wish it'd worked out. But maybe getting too cute with putting mad scientist lineups out there was what hurt the growth of the team in a way. Players didn't know what to expect, there was no structure. I think Brad coaching would have worked better with a Tim Duncan or an Al Horford type - someone to right the ship.

That's why (in my opinion), when people call Ime out for not being inventive enough, I'm kind of ok with it. This is a year of getting rid of bad habits. I'm fine with Ime focusing on these guys, rather than having to integrate someone with role player upside and having additional narratives to have to deal with. I'm fine with sticking with a known quantity in Kornet, or perhaps someone like Stauskas who's humbled and willing to just be a warm body in our practices or whatever.

Maybe Ime gets more creative next year. I'm excited to see what happens. Maybe our rotation gets deeper.

Ironically, we might have actually gotten rid of some depth that people are calling for in this very thread. Schroeder would have probably won us that Heat game too. But (felt like) he was a distraction - it's like he's the anti-Derrick White, scores a ton, but is a sieve on D and doesn't pass the ball - he could have won that Heat game but lost us the series.

On the flip side - even though we might have missed out on an additional rotation player our young role players are playing out of their freaking minds - Grant with huge games, Pritchard has become an extremely consistent microwave scorer after things seemingly not having clicked for him. Funnily enough people act surprised about Pritchard's emergance, I think Ime was always leaning on him from the very start - I think he even said so in some of his interviews. Pritchard just got injured. So again there's that consistency.

A lot of speculation on my part but there you go.

Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2022, 08:58:43 PM »

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We had to fix our top 8 guys first.

That’s not really related to why are talking about. They could have signed zeller for the minimum or many other players at the time we were signing all the stiffs. Is this like a new thing thing we can’t have even mild criticism of stevens even if completely valid? I like his trades, the coach selection. I’m hardly a negative fan of our team. Acting like we couldn’t have possibly done anything slightly difference when we have a bunch of guys we don’t play in desperation and don’t have upside clearly something we could have done better on. Tp to roy and others for being able to have a nuanced view of this.

I'm more in the boat of - if we don't manage the finals this year, I won't lose my head. I also think you can't really optimize every single thing, because you only have so much time and resources, and you're working with people not cogs in a machine.

There's one of Ime, and several of Tatum, Brown and Smart, to a lesser extent Grant and TimeLord, who, despite all they've accomplished, were coming off a couple down years of underperformance (relatively) and COVID games. (My feeling is that) these guys needed a lot of attention - to stop whining to the refs, to play focused, to lead, to stop chucking 3's, stop iso'ing and play as a team.

Fans keep talking about "oh Ime should have sat him earlier" or "oh he should have brought them out earlier". But if Jaylen is used to getting a break 5 minutes into the quarter, and any change to that schedule might mess up his rhythm, then he has to take that break. By the same token, (I feel) Ime ran a tight rotation to instill more accountability - as in, Tatum you're going to play these 40 minutes, and you're responsible for whatever happens - and even at the expense of losing a game or 2, having that consistency and cutting out variables is helpful.

I am a huge fan of Brad, and I wish it'd worked out. But maybe getting too cute with putting mad scientist lineups out there was what hurt the growth of the team in a way. Players didn't know what to expect, there was no structure. I think Brad coaching would have worked better with a Tim Duncan or an Al Horford type - someone to right the ship.

That's why (in my opinion), when people call Ime out for not being inventive enough, I'm kind of ok with it. This is a year of getting rid of bad habits. I'm fine with Ime focusing on these guys, rather than having to integrate someone with role player upside and having additional narratives to have to deal with. I'm fine with sticking with a known quantity in Kornet, or perhaps someone like Stauskas who's humbled and willing to just be a warm body in our practices or whatever.

Maybe Ime gets more creative next year. I'm excited to see what happens. Maybe our rotation gets deeper.

Ironically, we might have actually gotten rid of some depth that people are calling for in this very thread. Schroeder would have probably won us that Heat game too. But (felt like) he was a distraction - it's like he's the anti-Derrick White, scores a ton, but is a sieve on D and doesn't pass the ball - he could have won that Heat game but lost us the series.

On the flip side - even though we might have missed out on an additional rotation player our young role players are playing out of their freaking minds - Grant with huge games, Pritchard has become an extremely consistent microwave scorer after things seemingly not having clicked for him. Funnily enough people act surprised about Pritchard's emergance, I think Ime was always leaning on him from the very start - I think he even said so in some of his interviews. Pritchard just got injured. So again there's that consistency.

A lot of speculation on my part but there you go.

I don’t really disagree with much of what you said here. But this honestly doesn’t seem to relate what we are discussing. We are talking about signing a Cody zeller type that has played legit rotation minutes instead of signing kornet. I honestly don’t know why we did that and nobody has proposed a plausible explanation why. Closest is Roy suggesting owners did it not o save 400k.  It seems to have objectively been a bad decision. I’m not sure why there is debate on this at this point. You can think brad and ime have done great but still acknowledge this was a poor decision.

Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2022, 09:08:15 PM »

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We had to fix our top 8 guys first.

That’s not really related to why are talking about. They could have signed zeller for the minimum or many other players at the time we were signing all the stiffs. Is this like a new thing thing we can’t have even mild criticism of stevens even if completely valid? I like his trades, the coach selection. I’m hardly a negative fan of our team. Acting like we couldn’t have possibly done anything slightly difference when we have a bunch of guys we don’t play in desperation and don’t have upside clearly something we could have done better on. Tp to roy and others for being able to have a nuanced view of this.

I'm more in the boat of - if we don't manage the finals this year, I won't lose my head. I also think you can't really optimize every single thing, because you only have so much time and resources, and you're working with people not cogs in a machine.

There's one of Ime, and several of Tatum, Brown and Smart, to a lesser extent Grant and TimeLord, who, despite all they've accomplished, were coming off a couple down years of underperformance (relatively) and COVID games. (My feeling is that) these guys needed a lot of attention - to stop whining to the refs, to play focused, to lead, to stop chucking 3's, stop iso'ing and play as a team.

Fans keep talking about "oh Ime should have sat him earlier" or "oh he should have brought them out earlier". But if Jaylen is used to getting a break 5 minutes into the quarter, and any change to that schedule might mess up his rhythm, then he has to take that break. By the same token, (I feel) Ime ran a tight rotation to instill more accountability - as in, Tatum you're going to play these 40 minutes, and you're responsible for whatever happens - and even at the expense of losing a game or 2, having that consistency and cutting out variables is helpful.

I am a huge fan of Brad, and I wish it'd worked out. But maybe getting too cute with putting mad scientist lineups out there was what hurt the growth of the team in a way. Players didn't know what to expect, there was no structure. I think Brad coaching would have worked better with a Tim Duncan or an Al Horford type - someone to right the ship.

That's why (in my opinion), when people call Ime out for not being inventive enough, I'm kind of ok with it. This is a year of getting rid of bad habits. I'm fine with Ime focusing on these guys, rather than having to integrate someone with role player upside and having additional narratives to have to deal with. I'm fine with sticking with a known quantity in Kornet, or perhaps someone like Stauskas who's humbled and willing to just be a warm body in our practices or whatever.

Maybe Ime gets more creative next year. I'm excited to see what happens. Maybe our rotation gets deeper.

Ironically, we might have actually gotten rid of some depth that people are calling for in this very thread. Schroeder would have probably won us that Heat game too. But (felt like) he was a distraction - it's like he's the anti-Derrick White, scores a ton, but is a sieve on D and doesn't pass the ball - he could have won that Heat game but lost us the series.

On the flip side - even though we might have missed out on an additional rotation player our young role players are playing out of their freaking minds - Grant with huge games, Pritchard has become an extremely consistent microwave scorer after things seemingly not having clicked for him. Funnily enough people act surprised about Pritchard's emergance, I think Ime was always leaning on him from the very start - I think he even said so in some of his interviews. Pritchard just got injured. So again there's that consistency.

A lot of speculation on my part but there you go.

I don’t really disagree with much of what you said here. But this honestly doesn’t seem to relate what we are discussing. We are talking about signing a Cody zeller type that has played legit rotation minutes instead of signing kornet. I honestly don’t know why we did that and nobody has proposed a plausible explanation why. Closest is Roy suggesting owners did it not o save 400k.  It seems to have objectively been a bad decision. I’m not sure why there is debate on this at this point. You can think brad and ime have done great but still acknowledge this was a poor decision.

Fair enough, I think Brad/Danny are perfect but maybe my threshold for a mistake is higher (or expectations are lower).

Think Schroeder was kind of a mistake, in the sense he made , but Brad couldn't pass up the opportunity to sign someone of his talent level to such a good deal.

Same thing with Kemba. Was a mistake in hindsight (given the mismatch in timeline with the Jays, and needing to recover from Kyrie).

So kind of in a similar vein. We would have maybe gotten Jabari Parker or Enes Kanter with that money. Is that worth taking away minutes from Theis or some known quantity at this stage, and integrating them. And is it worth having to think about how to incorporate them capspace-wise and whatnot, when you're already trying to undo Kemba and bring in White and build your core?

(Maybe I'm missing the point here)

On an unrelated note, in retrospect, think hoarding firsts and cap space was a huge miss by Ainge. Siakim instead of Yabusele would have been so nice.

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Think Schroeder was kind of a mistake, in the sense he acquired someone that really didn't fit with the Jays.*

And to put this another way. We did develop more depth. By developing Grant and Pritchard (and Theis). I dunno if that's a lame answer.
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Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2022, 07:12:10 AM »

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Not to let facts get in the way of bold declarations, but the oft-cited Cody Zeller, in particular, had knee surgery at the end of January:
https://twitter.com/jwquick/status/1491223315880771585?lang=en

So there's a strong likelihood that this specific player would not have been better than anyone on our current roster, especially as he wasn't set to be evaluated for playing until the end of March anyway - that's objectively not enough on-court and practice time to meaningfully learn the playbook, defensive schemes, etc. even if he recovered without issue, which is no guarantee.

There's also the fact that Cody Zeller-type is not a 'clear' net positive anyway against a slightly more tired Jason Tatum (or whatever). It's a bit of a unsubstantiated claim to say that as a given.


To be a bit speculative, I don't think the team was expected to do as well as they have by management (if we'd signed Wes Matthews on December 8th he would have joined a team playing .500 ball and looking to continue last year's disappointing season), and by the time we began to rattle off a serious win streak and generally put it all together -- post trade deadline -- the scrap heap of players available was, in all likelihood, unlikely to 'objectively' move the needle for us.
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To be a bit speculative, I don't think the team was expected to do as well as they have by management (if we'd signed Wes Matthews on December 8th he would have joined a team playing .500 ball and looking to continue last year's disappointing season), and by the time we began to rattle off a serious win streak and generally put it all together -- post trade deadline -- the scrap heap of players available was, in all likelihood, unlikely to 'objectively' move the needle for us.

I think that it's impossible to know who would have moved the needle.  Even if Brad signed somebody, we can't be sure that Ime would have played them.

That's something that I would have liked to see done differently.  I would have liked to see us force feed Nesmith more minutes.  I would have liked to see us bring in NBA vets instead of low-upside G-leaguers.  I would have liked to see Wyc decide to pay the tax.

It's with the benefit of hindsight, for sure, but we could have easily had this team:

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin

... with Hauser on a 2-way, along with Thomas or whatever other Maine Celtic we wanted

Does that massively move the needle?  Nope.  But it does give Ime more options.

Hopefully we're able to convert the TPE into something better than Richardson and Langford in the off-season.  Even then, though, I think Richardson and Langford in combination would have offered plenty of trade flexibility.




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« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2022, 11:01:56 AM »

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To be a bit speculative, I don't think the team was expected to do as well as they have by management (if we'd signed Wes Matthews on December 8th he would have joined a team playing .500 ball and looking to continue last year's disappointing season), and by the time we began to rattle off a serious win streak and generally put it all together -- post trade deadline -- the scrap heap of players available was, in all likelihood, unlikely to 'objectively' move the needle for us.

I think that it's impossible to know who would have moved the needle.  Even if Brad signed somebody, we can't be sure that Ime would have played them.

That's something that I would have liked to see done differently.  I would have liked to see us force feed Nesmith more minutes.  I would have liked to see us bring in NBA vets instead of low-upside G-leaguers.  I would have liked to see Wyc decide to pay the tax.

It's with the benefit of hindsight, for sure, but we could have easily had this team:

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin

... with Hauser on a 2-way, along with Thomas or whatever other Maine Celtic we wanted

Does that massively move the needle?  Nope.  But it does give Ime more options.

Hopefully we're able to convert the TPE into something better than Richardson and Langford in the off-season.  Even then, though, I think Richardson and Langford in combination would have offered plenty of trade flexibility.

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin



Definitely would feel better about the above depth chart vs the one for tonight:

Timelord* / Theis / unplayable
Horford / Grant, unplayable
Tatum / unplayable/ unplayable
Brown / White /  unplayable
Smart* / Pritchard /unplayable

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Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
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To be a bit speculative, I don't think the team was expected to do as well as they have by management (if we'd signed Wes Matthews on December 8th he would have joined a team playing .500 ball and looking to continue last year's disappointing season), and by the time we began to rattle off a serious win streak and generally put it all together -- post trade deadline -- the scrap heap of players available was, in all likelihood, unlikely to 'objectively' move the needle for us.

I think that it's impossible to know who would have moved the needle.  Even if Brad signed somebody, we can't be sure that Ime would have played them.

That's something that I would have liked to see done differently.  I would have liked to see us force feed Nesmith more minutes.  I would have liked to see us bring in NBA vets instead of low-upside G-leaguers.  I would have liked to see Wyc decide to pay the tax.

It's with the benefit of hindsight, for sure, but we could have easily had this team:

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin

... with Hauser on a 2-way, along with Thomas or whatever other Maine Celtic we wanted

Does that massively move the needle?  Nope.  But it does give Ime more options.

Hopefully we're able to convert the TPE into something better than Richardson and Langford in the off-season.  Even then, though, I think Richardson and Langford in combination would have offered plenty of trade flexibility.

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin



Definitely would feel better about the above depth chart vs the one for tonight:

Timelord* / Theis / unplayable
Horford / Grant, unplayable
Tatum / unplayable/ unplayable
Brown / White /  unplayable
Smart* / Pritchard /unplayable

*player recovering from injury

Why's Nesmith unplayable in reality but not in the speculative timeline?

I'm sympathetic to wishing that Wyc had paid the tax, but I think they should pay the tax every year. For the folks who enjoy armchair GM'ing, I think it's a bit revisionist to suggest that paying the tax for a team that isn't a 'real' contender, which was the popular opinion until just a few months ago, is a good idea.
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« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2022, 11:27:22 AM »

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To be a bit speculative, I don't think the team was expected to do as well as they have by management (if we'd signed Wes Matthews on December 8th he would have joined a team playing .500 ball and looking to continue last year's disappointing season), and by the time we began to rattle off a serious win streak and generally put it all together -- post trade deadline -- the scrap heap of players available was, in all likelihood, unlikely to 'objectively' move the needle for us.

I think that it's impossible to know who would have moved the needle.  Even if Brad signed somebody, we can't be sure that Ime would have played them.

That's something that I would have liked to see done differently.  I would have liked to see us force feed Nesmith more minutes.  I would have liked to see us bring in NBA vets instead of low-upside G-leaguers.  I would have liked to see Wyc decide to pay the tax.

It's with the benefit of hindsight, for sure, but we could have easily had this team:

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin

... with Hauser on a 2-way, along with Thomas or whatever other Maine Celtic we wanted

Does that massively move the needle?  Nope.  But it does give Ime more options.

Hopefully we're able to convert the TPE into something better than Richardson and Langford in the off-season.  Even then, though, I think Richardson and Langford in combination would have offered plenty of trade flexibility.

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin



Definitely would feel better about the above depth chart vs the one for tonight:

Timelord* / Theis / unplayable
Horford / Grant, unplayable
Tatum / unplayable/ unplayable
Brown / White /  unplayable
Smart* / Pritchard /unplayable

*player recovering from injury

Why's Nesmith unplayable in reality but not in the speculative timeline?

I'm sympathetic to wishing that Wyc had paid the tax, but I think they should pay the tax every year. For the folks who enjoy armchair GM'ing, I think it's a bit revisionist to suggest that paying the tax for a team that isn't a 'real' contender, which was the popular opinion until just a few months ago, is a good idea.

I dunno.  If Wyc is going to brag about what a believer he was, shouldn't he be held accountable for not putting his money where his mouth is?

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"Go all-in," he said. "The same will be true in June, the same will be true next February, the same will be true next June. We're going for it." ...

"Give it everything, but this year could be a building year," he said of his message to the front office prior to the season. "Let's build. And then we stepped on the gas halfway through."

So, if Wyc is going to tell the world that he thought this team was a true contender and he was going "all in", somebody needs to explain why that didn't happen.

(I hope we all realize by now that Wyc sometimes resorts to malarkey to puff up his own importance.)


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« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2022, 11:30:18 AM »

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To be a bit speculative, I don't think the team was expected to do as well as they have by management (if we'd signed Wes Matthews on December 8th he would have joined a team playing .500 ball and looking to continue last year's disappointing season), and by the time we began to rattle off a serious win streak and generally put it all together -- post trade deadline -- the scrap heap of players available was, in all likelihood, unlikely to 'objectively' move the needle for us.

I think that it's impossible to know who would have moved the needle.  Even if Brad signed somebody, we can't be sure that Ime would have played them.

That's something that I would have liked to see done differently.  I would have liked to see us force feed Nesmith more minutes.  I would have liked to see us bring in NBA vets instead of low-upside G-leaguers.  I would have liked to see Wyc decide to pay the tax.

It's with the benefit of hindsight, for sure, but we could have easily had this team:

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin

... with Hauser on a 2-way, along with Thomas or whatever other Maine Celtic we wanted

Does that massively move the needle?  Nope.  But it does give Ime more options.

Hopefully we're able to convert the TPE into something better than Richardson and Langford in the off-season.  Even then, though, I think Richardson and Langford in combination would have offered plenty of trade flexibility.

Timelord / Theis / Boogie
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White / Forbes / Langford
Smart / Pritchard / Augustin



Definitely would feel better about the above depth chart vs the one for tonight:

Timelord* / Theis / unplayable
Horford / Grant, unplayable
Tatum / unplayable/ unplayable
Brown / White /  unplayable
Smart* / Pritchard /unplayable

*player recovering from injury

Why's Nesmith unplayable in reality but not in the speculative timeline?

I'm sympathetic to wishing that Wyc had paid the tax, but I think they should pay the tax every year. For the folks who enjoy armchair GM'ing, I think it's a bit revisionist to suggest that paying the tax for a team that isn't a 'real' contender, which was the popular opinion until just a few months ago, is a good idea.

Nesmith has been horrendous the entire season. The game hasn’t slowed down for him and he plays out of control on both ends.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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Re: Should we / could we have developed more depth?
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Boogie is Roy's pipedream. This organization has never shown a scintilla of interest in Boogie....ever. He was never coming here.