What (if anything) is wrong with Jaylen?

[keevsnick]

Jaylen is a mediocre ball handler and facilitator, hence he's at his best when playing in the open court. Most playoff games are decided in the half court. Rule of thumb is that the pace of the game slows down come playoff time. To his credit, he has come a long way as a ball handler/facilitator, but he's nowhere near Tatum's level.

To Brown's discredit, he can't seem to understand the importance of playing within his limitations. If you consistently try to push beyond those, bad things tend to happen - mostly turnovers. If he is also in some mental/emotional sulk for whatever might be the reason, he picked a hell of a time for it. It's immature and it's self-centered. Jaylen has such a great opportunity to fit his game into that #1B star role and be a great player in the great tradition of Celtic co-stars, who have their numbers hanging over the court and their plaque in the Hall of Fame., Heinhson, Havlicek, Sam Jones, Jo Jo, Max, McHale, Pierce come to mind.

Celtic Pride, Jaylen, Celtic Pride !!!!!!

Complete disagree. I think Jaylen arguably plays within his limitations (few as they are) better than anybody else on the team. He's been great #2 on this team, 18-30 points in 11/12 games in the post season. Near 60% TS. Greta defense (well, except last game). Literally just have no idea what you're talking about.

Literally every rate stat is near spot on with the regular season. AST%, RBD%, AST/TO ratio ect. TS% Is up about 1.4% points. The only thing that's down at all is usage from 29.8 to 25.2%. Even the FT percentage is near identical. 75.8 regular season vs 74.2 playoffs, and he's actually getting to the line MORE despite his usage being down.

[Who]

Jaylen is a mediocre ball handler and facilitator, hence he's at his best when playing in the open court. Most playoff games are decided in the half court. Rule of thumb is that the pace of the game slows down come playoff time. To his credit, he has come a long way as a ball handler/facilitator, but he's nowhere near Tatum's level.

To Brown's discredit, he can't seem to understand the importance of playing within his limitations. If you consistently try to push beyond those, bad things tend to happen - mostly turnovers. If he is also in some mental/emotional sulk for whatever might be the reason, he picked a hell of a time for it. It's immature and it's self-centered. Jaylen has such a great opportunity to fit his game into that #1B star role and be a great player in the great tradition of Celtic co-stars, who have their numbers hanging over the court and their plaque in the Hall of Fame., Heinhson, Havlicek, Sam Jones, Jo Jo, Max, McHale, Pierce come to mind.

Celtic Pride, Jaylen, Celtic Pride !!!!!!

Complete disagree. I think Jaylen arguably plays within his limitations (few as they are) better than anybody else on the team. He's been great #2 on this team, 18-30 points in 11/12 games in the post season. Near 60% TS. Greta defense (well, except last game). Literally just have no idea what you're talking about.

Jaylen makes a lot of tough contested jump-shots. I'd love to see him figure out how to get some easier scoring attempts within the offense instead of relying so heavily on one-on-one offense when in the halfcourt.

[keevsnick]

Jaylen is a mediocre ball handler and facilitator, hence he's at his best when playing in the open court. Most playoff games are decided in the half court. Rule of thumb is that the pace of the game slows down come playoff time. To his credit, he has come a long way as a ball handler/facilitator, but he's nowhere near Tatum's level.

To Brown's discredit, he can't seem to understand the importance of playing within his limitations. If you consistently try to push beyond those, bad things tend to happen - mostly turnovers. If he is also in some mental/emotional sulk for whatever might be the reason, he picked a hell of a time for it. It's immature and it's self-centered. Jaylen has such a great opportunity to fit his game into that #1B star role and be a great player in the great tradition of Celtic co-stars, who have their numbers hanging over the court and their plaque in the Hall of Fame., Heinhson, Havlicek, Sam Jones, Jo Jo, Max, McHale, Pierce come to mind.

Celtic Pride, Jaylen, Celtic Pride !!!!!!

Complete disagree. I think Jaylen arguably plays within his limitations (few as they are) better than anybody else on the team. He's been great #2 on this team, 18-30 points in 11/12 games in the post season. Near 60% TS. Greta defense (well, except last game). Literally just have no idea what you're talking about.

Jaylen makes a lot of tough contested jump-shots. I'd love to see him figure out how to get some easier scoring attempts within the offense instead of relying so heavily on one-on-one offense when in the half court.

 Its the playoffs, and the Bucks and Heat are gonna force you to take tougher shots. In general I agree, I just think its worth pointing out that its not easy. the other team has some say in the shots you take.

[nickagneta]

Jaylen with maybe the quietest 24/3/8 game with just one turnover all season.

He's now at 22.5/3.8/6.9 with splits of 48.1/40.2/75 and a TS% 59.4%.

Yet in the game threads, he is the most highly criticized Celtic player and it's not even close. I don't get it. All this guy does is work his ass off and play amazing basketball but people just have to use him as their whipping boy in the game threads.

Every other NBA fanbase would kill to have Jaylen Brown and would treat him right. Not those on this site.

Trade Jaylen. He'll never gel with Tatum. Terrible basketball IQ. Turnovers galore. Horrible handle. Lazy. Attitudinal. Checked out. Dumb.

That's just some of the stuff you see every game thread but Jaylen continues to be as consistent as anyone on the team.

[angryguy77]

Jaylen with maybe the quietest 24/3/8 game with just one turnover all season.

He was hot too, and the way he was shooting(besides for a brief cool period) he could've put up 40 if they needed.

[Phantom255x]

I'm telling you, if Jaylen could spend an offseason working just on his ball handling and FT shooting, he'd be a legitimate superstar in this league. I truly believe that. Maybe not to Tatum-level or "Top-10 in the NBA" but pretty dang close. He's already a true all-star caliber player though and an awesome #2 option

[nebist]

Jaylen with maybe the quietest 24/3/8 game with just one turnover all season.

He's now at 22.5/3.8/6.9 with splits of 48.1/40.2/75 and a TS% 59.4%.

Yet in the game threads, he is the most highly criticized Celtic player and it's not even close. I don't get it. All this guy does is work his ass off and play amazing basketball but people just have to use him as their whipping boy in the game threads.

Every other NBA fanbase would kill to have Jaylen Brown and would treat him right. Not those on this site.

Trade Jaylen. He'll never gel with Tatum. Terrible basketball IQ. Turnovers galore. Horrible handle. Lazy. Attitudinal. Checked out. Dumb.

That's just some of the stuff you see every game thread but Jaylen continues to be as consistent as anyone on the team.

For sure, any huge attack on Jaylen is misplaced. He's awesome and our 2nd best player. Personally, when I criticize Jaylen, it comes from a place of high expectations. I feel he's a legit all-star caliber player (probably in the 20-30 range of best players in the league). He also has the benefit of playing with a top-10 player who demands an incredible amount of schematic defensive attention (and usually the opposition's best defender). Consequently, I look to Jaylen as a key factor in taking advantage of his matchup advantages and being a real swing player in terms of us reaching our highest goals. He frequently does just that. I do think it is odd that, at times, he seems to take himself out of certain games mentally. However, it doesn't bother me as much when guys like Smart or Tatum play bad by forcing the issue and trying to do too much at times. I guess my overall philosophy is that nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, but I prefer players to make mistakes from aggression and trying to over-impact the game than from passivity and hesitation.

[td450]

I think the thing with Jaylen is that he has a weird role for a star. He looks wildly inconsistent within games, but is quite consistent in his overall output game to game. I have never understood how the C's use him. He often goes off for a quarter, takes a breather, then comes back and barely touches the ball the next shift.

I think a lot of fans identify his handle as his main problem. To me, its that he has pretty poor balance for an athlete that is so advanced otherwise, and inconsistent footwork, and that affects his ball control. These are fixable things. He isn't very far from being completely unguardable.

[Vermont Green]

It is true that Brown at times, seems to dribble himself into trouble.  He seems a little sloppy with his handle, a little out of control.  He does not seem to have the same poise or "smooth" that say Tatum has.

The result though is that Brown actually has fewer turnovers than Tatum (4.2 to 2.6) per game in the playoffs on slightly lower usage (25.3 to 30.0).

I don't think there is anything wrong with Jaylen Brown.  In fact, just the opposite, I think he has been a key factor in our playoff success to date.

[liam]

It is true that Brown at times, seems to dribble himself into trouble.  He seems a little sloppy with his handle, a little out of control.  He does not seem to have the same poise or "smooth" that say Tatum has.

The result though is that Brown actually has fewer turnovers than Tatum (4.2 to 2.6) per game in the playoffs on slightly lower usage (25.3 to 30.0).

I don't think there is anything wrong with Jaylen Brown.  In fact, just the opposite, I think he has been a key factor in our playoff success to date.

Agreed. He's playing well.

[Moranis]

I still don't think Brown and Tatum are a great fit stylistically.  They obviously are both very talented, but in many respects they both play better when the other is on the bench.

[nebist]

I still don't think Brown and Tatum are a great fit stylistically.  They obviously are both very talented, but in many respects they both play better when the other is on the bench.

Perhaps in terms of pure on-court fit, but in terms of overall roster flexibility, they are super ideal. Having our two best players be guys that can score, pass, shoot, defend a variety of positions, and credibly play positions 2-4 almost inter-changeably affords the Cs so many luxuries in terms of 5-man lineups we can put on the floor and players we can acquire around them.

[sgrogan]

I still don't think Brown and Tatum are a great fit stylistically.  They obviously are both very talented, but in many respects they both play better when the other is on the bench.

Offensively it's still a work in progress.
Defensively I think they are a very good fit stylistically and otherwise.

[Jvalin]

I still don't think Brown and Tatum are a great fit stylistically.  They obviously are both very talented, but in many respects they both play better when the other is on the bench.

What do you mean by ''stylistically''?

[Roy H.]

Speaking of JB, Marc Stein says this:

Boston’s Jaylen Brown, meanwhile, would earn an additional $1.9 million if the Celtics win it all this season. Milwaukee’s Jrue Holiday earned a $1.1 million bonus last season when the Bucks overturned a 2-0 deficit in the NBA Finals to defeat Phoenix in six games. Brown, Holiday and Dinwiddie all share the same agent: Los Angeles-based Jason Glushon. – via marcstein.substack.com

I don't think that's correct.  Hasn't he already earned his playoff bonus this year?