Our "Role" players put us over the top.

[footey]

Once Rob gets into game shape, I anticipate a significant role for him this series in which he will have a big impact.  Our style as a team, particularly on defense and transition offense, will be much different than versus the Bucks. I think we will get  more transition buckets, and also high percentage lobs.

[Moranis]

Bucks thought Grayson Allen was the answer for something. They really should've kept the championship role players together...

Grayson Allen is actually making more over the next two years than PJ Tucker is this year and next. Despite how people feel personally about Allen, he is actually a decent player, but it was still an odd decision to make that trade-off for a team that just won a Title. They gave up 2 2nd rounders in the process, as well.

At the deadline, they tried to correct their mistake by acquiring Ibaka and trading away DiVincenzo. They also managed to acquire 2 2nd rounders to make up for the ones they traded away for Allen. Unfortunately for the Bucks, Ibaka made nowhere near the impact that Tucker did last year. So much so, that he barely even played in the playoffs.

So, yeah, Tucker and DiVincenzo would have been a much better duo than Allen and Ibaka. In hindsight, that is just really rough decision making on two separate trades by their GM, Jon Horst.

Grayson Allen is perfectly fine as a role player, but he isn't a #3 scoring option which is what he basically needed to be in the series because they didn't have Middleton.  It was compounded with Holiday playing like crap.  So everyone was trying to do to much, pressing, and generally not playing within the flow of the offense.  It wore out Giannis as well, which we definitely saw yesterday.  He was tired and done after about the 1st quarter (and certainly the 2nd half). 

[pokeKingCurtis]

Bucks thought Grayson Allen was the answer for something. They really should've kept the championship role players together...

Grayson Allen is actually making more over the next two years than PJ Tucker is this year and next. Despite how people feel personally about Allen, he is actually a decent player, but it was still an odd decision to make that trade-off for a team that just won a Title. They gave up 2 2nd rounders in the process, as well.

At the deadline, they tried to correct their mistake by acquiring Ibaka and trading away DiVincenzo. They also managed to acquire 2 2nd rounders to make up for the ones they traded away for Allen. Unfortunately for the Bucks, Ibaka made nowhere near the impact that Tucker did last year. So much so, that he barely even played in the playoffs.

So, yeah, Tucker and DiVincenzo would have been a much better duo than Allen and Ibaka. In hindsight, that is just really rough decision making on two separate trades by their GM, Jon Horst.

Ibaka wow. Fell the hell off a cliff, and getting passed around like a...

[Chief]

Bucks thought Grayson Allen was the answer for something. They really should've kept the championship role players together...

Grayson Allen is actually making more over the next two years than PJ Tucker is this year and next. Despite how people feel personally about Allen, he is actually a decent player, but it was still an odd decision to make that trade-off for a team that just won a Title. They gave up 2 2nd rounders in the process, as well.

At the deadline, they tried to correct their mistake by acquiring Ibaka and trading away DiVincenzo. They also managed to acquire 2 2nd rounders to make up for the ones they traded away for Allen. Unfortunately for the Bucks, Ibaka made nowhere near the impact that Tucker did last year. So much so, that he barely even played in the playoffs.

So, yeah, Tucker and DiVincenzo would have been a much better duo than Allen and Ibaka. In hindsight, that is just really rough decision making on two separate trades by their GM, Jon Horst.

Ibaka wow. Fell the hell off a cliff, and getting passed around like a...

Ibaka might be 35+. That's what happens to older players.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Bucks thought Grayson Allen was the answer for something. They really should've kept the championship role players together...

Grayson Allen is actually making more over the next two years than PJ Tucker is this year and next. Despite how people feel personally about Allen, he is actually a decent player, but it was still an odd decision to make that trade-off for a team that just won a Title. They gave up 2 2nd rounders in the process, as well.

At the deadline, they tried to correct their mistake by acquiring Ibaka and trading away DiVincenzo. They also managed to acquire 2 2nd rounders to make up for the ones they traded away for Allen. Unfortunately for the Bucks, Ibaka made nowhere near the impact that Tucker did last year. So much so, that he barely even played in the playoffs.

So, yeah, Tucker and DiVincenzo would have been a much better duo than Allen and Ibaka. In hindsight, that is just really rough decision making on two separate trades by their GM, Jon Horst.

Ibaka wow. Fell the hell off a cliff, and getting passed around like a...

Ibaka might be 35+. That's what happens to older players.

Wasn't that bad I think last season or the season before.

But I guess even 1 year makes a huge difference.

Speaks volumes about Al. They gotta win one for him.

(btw. How about them 4 OKC homegrown stars - Ibaka, Westbrook, Durant and Harden. Impressive that 2 of them are champs, 3 MVPs I think, but somehow still underwhelming - that's just how optics are I guess).

[jambr380]

Bucks thought Grayson Allen was the answer for something. They really should've kept the championship role players together...

Grayson Allen is actually making more over the next two years than PJ Tucker is this year and next. Despite how people feel personally about Allen, he is actually a decent player, but it was still an odd decision to make that trade-off for a team that just won a Title. They gave up 2 2nd rounders in the process, as well.

At the deadline, they tried to correct their mistake by acquiring Ibaka and trading away DiVincenzo. They also managed to acquire 2 2nd rounders to make up for the ones they traded away for Allen. Unfortunately for the Bucks, Ibaka made nowhere near the impact that Tucker did last year. So much so, that he barely even played in the playoffs.

So, yeah, Tucker and DiVincenzo would have been a much better duo than Allen and Ibaka. In hindsight, that is just really rough decision making on two separate trades by their GM, Jon Horst.

Grayson Allen is perfectly fine as a role player, but he isn't a #3 scoring option which is what he basically needed to be in the series because they didn't have Middleton.  It was compounded with Holiday playing like crap.  So everyone was trying to do to much, pressing, and generally not playing within the flow of the offense.  It wore out Giannis as well, which we definitely saw yesterday.  He was tired and done after about the 1st quarter (and certainly the 2nd half).

It seems pretty generous to call Allen their 3rd scoring option. In the first two games of the playoffs, he was a low end rotation rotation player, but then Middleton got hurt. They really only started him so they could keep their rotations the same. He is definitely behind Lopez, and I would have Portis and Connaughton ahead of him, as well. Sure, he had a couple of good games against Chicago, but I don't think people thought that was really sustainable.

I guess your main point remains the same - that he should not be a featured player - but I don't think that was ever really the case. I'm sure more was expected of him than Matthews, Hill, and Carter (of guys who actually played), but that's not saying much.

[bogg]

Having reliable guys you can plug in without having production fall off a cliff is just so huge. It's why I really hope they use the Fournier TPE to get a steady vet. Hopefully someone looking to make cap space for Ayton leads to Josh Richardson or Josh Hart winding up available.

[Alleyoopster]

What I liked most about the 4th quarter is Miami couldn't stop fouling the Celtics every time Boston got aggressive on offense.

In the next outing if the C's start out making quicker passes and drove with determination it could lead to early foul trouble for Miami.

[Moranis]

Bucks thought Grayson Allen was the answer for something. They really should've kept the championship role players together...

Grayson Allen is actually making more over the next two years than PJ Tucker is this year and next. Despite how people feel personally about Allen, he is actually a decent player, but it was still an odd decision to make that trade-off for a team that just won a Title. They gave up 2 2nd rounders in the process, as well.

At the deadline, they tried to correct their mistake by acquiring Ibaka and trading away DiVincenzo. They also managed to acquire 2 2nd rounders to make up for the ones they traded away for Allen. Unfortunately for the Bucks, Ibaka made nowhere near the impact that Tucker did last year. So much so, that he barely even played in the playoffs.

So, yeah, Tucker and DiVincenzo would have been a much better duo than Allen and Ibaka. In hindsight, that is just really rough decision making on two separate trades by their GM, Jon Horst.

Grayson Allen is perfectly fine as a role player, but he isn't a #3 scoring option which is what he basically needed to be in the series because they didn't have Middleton.  It was compounded with Holiday playing like crap.  So everyone was trying to do to much, pressing, and generally not playing within the flow of the offense.  It wore out Giannis as well, which we definitely saw yesterday.  He was tired and done after about the 1st quarter (and certainly the 2nd half).

It seems pretty generous to call Allen their 3rd scoring option. In the first two games of the playoffs, he was a low end rotation rotation player, but then Middleton got hurt. They really only started him so they could keep their rotations the same. He is definitely behind Lopez, and I would have Portis and Connaughton ahead of him, as well. Sure, he had a couple of good games against Chicago, but I don't think people thought that was really sustainable.

I guess your main point remains the same - that he should not be a featured player - but I don't think that was ever really the case. I'm sure more was expected of him than Matthews, Hill, and Carter (of guys who actually played), but that's not saying much.

It really makes no difference if Allen, Portis, or Lopez is your 3rd option because they all aren't capable of being 3rd options, which as you say is the underlying point I was making.  Middleton being out was a tremendous loss for the Bucks.  They just weren't the same without him, and even so Giannis is so great they still almost won the series. 

[Who]

It really makes no difference if Allen, Portis, or Lopez is your 3rd option because they all aren't capable of being 3rd options, which as you say is the underlying point I was making.  Middleton being out was a tremendous loss for the Bucks.  They just weren't the same without him, and even so Giannis is so great they still almost won the series.

That was dang impressive by Giannis. He made that series far far closer than it had any right to be.