TPE's

[slamtheking]

I think free agency will be interesting for the Celtics.  Yes, we can offer a roster spot on a contender.  However, can we sell free agents on playing time?  The only spot that seems to offer potential minutes is backup wing.

I wonder, would Denver be willing to trade Jeff Green for a second?  He's a solid player, but they're so far over the luxury tax that he may not be worth it to them.

$17,142,857 trade exception
- $4,250,000 Jeff Green
- $12,196,094 Josh Richardson
====================
= Championship


Timelord / Theis
Horford / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / Pritchard

Honestly, taking on Jeff Green should give us a second and not cost a second.  That’s a salary dump for Denver and it’s not even clear if Green cracks the nightly rotation.  I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but that’s doing Denver a favor.

agreed.  Uncle Sleepy's been here before and was truly underwhelming.  only produced every 6 games or so.  there has to be someone out there who's a lot more consistent.

I like Richardson and at this point feel SAS should have given us a pick to take White from them based on Derrick's play so far this season.  Don't know if I'd bring him back without looking around to see who else was available but he did show he could play in this system and offer some actual scoring with good D.

Who is out there making less than $5 million that adds 10+ points on very good efficiency, while also offering positional flexibility and solid defense?

Richardson, on the court, is a good player and was in Boston. But we have no idea what he was like off the court. It was discussed by Perk, that certain players traded by the Celtics at the deadline HAD to go. Schröder specifically. But maybe Richardson too.

I mean, Richardson has bounced around a lot. He is on his 5th team in 4 seasons. He was traded by Boston in the midst of his best season in years after getting a year's extension on his deal. Maybe, just maybe, he is moving around so much due to off court issues. When I see a player as good as Richardson bounce around a lot, I think there has to be problems not seen on the court.

It's a possibility, but I think it's as simple as wanting to upgrade the team while also getting under the luxury tax.

If Wyc and Pags are ready to go "all in" next year, I think Richardson is among the guys who make sense.  After Pagliuca missed out on his multi-billion dollar Chelsea deal, he's got money burning a hole in his pockt.

any locker room or off court issues are just speculation until something becomes public.  it's possible Richardson was an issue but nothing of the sort has become public.

As for Green, he may have those numbers from this season but I feel he's the perfect case of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" if we brought him back for a second tour.  if the choice was between him and the current end of bench fodder we have, I'd take him but in no way would I look at him as an integral piece for this team to contend.

[Roy H.]

I think free agency will be interesting for the Celtics.  Yes, we can offer a roster spot on a contender.  However, can we sell free agents on playing time?  The only spot that seems to offer potential minutes is backup wing.

I wonder, would Denver be willing to trade Jeff Green for a second?  He's a solid player, but they're so far over the luxury tax that he may not be worth it to them.

$17,142,857 trade exception
- $4,250,000 Jeff Green
- $12,196,094 Josh Richardson
====================
= Championship


Timelord / Theis
Horford / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / Pritchard

Honestly, taking on Jeff Green should give us a second and not cost a second.  That’s a salary dump for Denver and it’s not even clear if Green cracks the nightly rotation.  I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but that’s doing Denver a favor.

agreed.  Uncle Sleepy's been here before and was truly underwhelming.  only produced every 6 games or so.  there has to be someone out there who's a lot more consistent.

I like Richardson and at this point feel SAS should have given us a pick to take White from them based on Derrick's play so far this season.  Don't know if I'd bring him back without looking around to see who else was available but he did show he could play in this system and offer some actual scoring with good D.

Who is out there making less than $5 million that adds 10+ points on very good efficiency, while also offering positional flexibility and solid defense?

Richardson, on the court, is a good player and was in Boston. But we have no idea what he was like off the court. It was discussed by Perk, that certain players traded by the Celtics at the deadline HAD to go. Schröder specifically. But maybe Richardson too.

I mean, Richardson has bounced around a lot. He is on his 5th team in 4 seasons. He was traded by Boston in the midst of his best season in years after getting a year's extension on his deal. Maybe, just maybe, he is moving around so much due to off court issues. When I see a player as good as Richardson bounce around a lot, I think there has to be problems not seen on the court.

It's a possibility, but I think it's as simple as wanting to upgrade the team while also getting under the luxury tax.

If Wyc and Pags are ready to go "all in" next year, I think Richardson is among the guys who make sense.  After Pagliuca missed out on his multi-billion dollar Chelsea deal, he's got money burning a hole in his pockt.

any locker room or off court issues are just speculation until something becomes public.  it's possible Richardson was an issue but nothing of the sort has become public.

As for Green, he may have those numbers from this season but I feel he's the perfect case of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" if we brought him back for a second tour.  if the choice was between him and the current end of bench fodder we have, I'd take him but in no way would I look at him as an integral piece for this team to contend.

Well, if Green came back another time, I'd hope the expectations would be a little different.  Instead of replacing a beloved starter and becoming the "future" of this team, he'd just be taking over for Malik Fitts.

[Vermont Green]

I’ve post about this earlier but I still believe getting Joe Ingles would be huge for the Celtics, either through our TPE or (if he declines his player option) free agency.

I’ve also posted how I’d love to get two more Australians by bring back Aron Baynes and Dante Exum.

They all have versatility, lack ego and could be signed cheaply because of injury concerns.

The NBA has always been, and always will be about matchups and these three can add a new dimension to the current Celtics core.

—————————

Boston Celtics

Depth Chart

PG Marcus Smart, Payton Prichard

SG Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Dante Exum

SF Jayson Tatum, Joe Ingles, Aaron Nesmith

PF Al Horford, Grant Williams, Sam Hauser (TW)

C  Robert Williams III, Daniel Theis, Aron Baynes

Joe Ingles, if he can pass his physical, it a fair option to consider for the back up wing position.  We would not need a lot from him.  But we would need to sign him with a min contract or part of the mid-level exemption.  A trade would need to be a sign and trade, right?  That would result in a hard cap.  I don't think we should impose a hard cap on ourselves just to get Ingles.

Baynes?  That ship has totally sailed.  He won't be back in the NBA.  As to Exum, I have no idea where he is at.  I understand he averaged 7.1 points, 2.9 rebounds and 1.0 assist per game in Spain and demonstrated a run of durability.  Maybe he is worth a look.  I just don't know.   I believe he is going to be 27 in July.

[sgrogan]

I think free agency will be interesting for the Celtics.  Yes, we can offer a roster spot on a contender.  However, can we sell free agents on playing time?  The only spot that seems to offer potential minutes is backup wing.

I wonder, would Denver be willing to trade Jeff Green for a second?  He's a solid player, but they're so far over the luxury tax that he may not be worth it to them.

$17,142,857 trade exception
- $4,250,000 Jeff Green
- $12,196,094 Josh Richardson
====================
= Championship


Timelord / Theis
Horford / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / Pritchard

Honestly, taking on Jeff Green should give us a second and not cost a second.  That’s a salary dump for Denver and it’s not even clear if Green cracks the nightly rotation.  I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but that’s doing Denver a favor.

agreed.  Uncle Sleepy's been here before and was truly underwhelming.  only produced every 6 games or so.  there has to be someone out there who's a lot more consistent.

I like Richardson and at this point feel SAS should have given us a pick to take White from them based on Derrick's play so far this season.  Don't know if I'd bring him back without looking around to see who else was available but he did show he could play in this system and offer some actual scoring with good D.

Who is out there making less than $5 million that adds 10+ points on very good efficiency, while also offering positional flexibility and solid defense?

Richardson, on the court, is a good player and was in Boston. But we have no idea what he was like off the court. It was discussed by Perk, that certain players traded by the Celtics at the deadline HAD to go. Schröder specifically. But maybe Richardson too.

I mean, Richardson has bounced around a lot. He is on his 5th team in 4 seasons. He was traded by Boston in the midst of his best season in years after getting a year's extension on his deal. Maybe, just maybe, he is moving around so much due to off court issues. When I see a player as good as Richardson bounce around a lot, I think there has to be problems not seen on the court.

It's a possibility, but I think it's as simple as wanting to upgrade the team while also getting under the luxury tax.

If Wyc and Pags are ready to go "all in" next year, I think Richardson is among the guys who make sense.  After Pagliuca missed out on his multi-billion dollar Chelsea deal, he's got money burning a hole in his pockt.

any locker room or off court issues are just speculation until something becomes public.  it's possible Richardson was an issue but nothing of the sort has become public.

As for Green, he may have those numbers from this season but I feel he's the perfect case of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" if we brought him back for a second tour.  if the choice was between him and the current end of bench fodder we have, I'd take him but in no way would I look at him as an integral piece for this team to contend.

Well, if Green came back another time, I'd hope the expectations would be a little different.  Instead of replacing a beloved starter and becoming the "future" of this team, he'd just be taking over for Malik Fitts.

This is a good point, assuming we bring back Al, we have 10 guaranteed contacts.
Ime played an 8 1/2 man rotation even during the regular season. All 9 guys are back and given how they played there is no dire need to change anything.

Our biggest need is a backup wing. Ideally a sharp shooting 3&D guy. But realistically what we have to offer is the ability to compete with Neismith for sub-rotation minutes. If the player is reliable/productive enough maybe the regular season rotation increases to 9 1/2 guys.

Next would be a 3rd string point guard. I'd be looking for a defense first guy, preferably with size. I see Pritchard as an undersized SG. I'd prefer Pritchard ply with one of Smart/White. We don't have much opportunity here.  Maybe they could battle with Pritchard for minutes, but I only see them playing if White or Smart is out.

Next a 3rd string center. I want a guy who can play the 5 when both Al and RWIII are out. Limited opportunity here, they can battle Theis for minutes, plus RWIII is likely to miss games and I'd image we would like to reduce Al's load next regular season, both a few minutes less a game and being conservative on back-to-backs.

So I'm hoping for a deep roster that looks something like.

Smart/White/Vet-min
Brown/Pritchard/TPE
Tatum/TP-MLE/Neismith
Horford/Grant/TPE
RWIII/Theis/Vet-min

TW
Hauser
2nd round pick

[Roy H.]

I think free agency will be interesting for the Celtics.  Yes, we can offer a roster spot on a contender.  However, can we sell free agents on playing time?  The only spot that seems to offer potential minutes is backup wing.

I wonder, would Denver be willing to trade Jeff Green for a second?  He's a solid player, but they're so far over the luxury tax that he may not be worth it to them.

$17,142,857 trade exception
- $4,250,000 Jeff Green
- $12,196,094 Josh Richardson
====================
= Championship


Timelord / Theis
Horford / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / Pritchard

Honestly, taking on Jeff Green should give us a second and not cost a second.  That’s a salary dump for Denver and it’s not even clear if Green cracks the nightly rotation.  I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but that’s doing Denver a favor.

agreed.  Uncle Sleepy's been here before and was truly underwhelming.  only produced every 6 games or so.  there has to be someone out there who's a lot more consistent.

I like Richardson and at this point feel SAS should have given us a pick to take White from them based on Derrick's play so far this season.  Don't know if I'd bring him back without looking around to see who else was available but he did show he could play in this system and offer some actual scoring with good D.

Who is out there making less than $5 million that adds 10+ points on very good efficiency, while also offering positional flexibility and solid defense?

Richardson, on the court, is a good player and was in Boston. But we have no idea what he was like off the court. It was discussed by Perk, that certain players traded by the Celtics at the deadline HAD to go. Schröder specifically. But maybe Richardson too.

I mean, Richardson has bounced around a lot. He is on his 5th team in 4 seasons. He was traded by Boston in the midst of his best season in years after getting a year's extension on his deal. Maybe, just maybe, he is moving around so much due to off court issues. When I see a player as good as Richardson bounce around a lot, I think there has to be problems not seen on the court.

It's a possibility, but I think it's as simple as wanting to upgrade the team while also getting under the luxury tax.

If Wyc and Pags are ready to go "all in" next year, I think Richardson is among the guys who make sense.  After Pagliuca missed out on his multi-billion dollar Chelsea deal, he's got money burning a hole in his pockt.

any locker room or off court issues are just speculation until something becomes public.  it's possible Richardson was an issue but nothing of the sort has become public.

As for Green, he may have those numbers from this season but I feel he's the perfect case of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" if we brought him back for a second tour.  if the choice was between him and the current end of bench fodder we have, I'd take him but in no way would I look at him as an integral piece for this team to contend.

Well, if Green came back another time, I'd hope the expectations would be a little different.  Instead of replacing a beloved starter and becoming the "future" of this team, he'd just be taking over for Malik Fitts.

This is a good point, assuming we bring back Al, we have 10 guaranteed contacts.
Ime played an 8 1/2 man rotation even during the regular season. All 9 guys are back and given how they played there is no dire need to change anything.

Our biggest need is a backup wing. Ideally a sharp shooting 3&D guy. But realistically what we have to offer is the ability to compete with Neismith for sub-rotation minutes. If the player is reliable/productive enough maybe the regular season rotation increases to 9 1/2 guys.

Next would be a 3rd string point guard. I'd be looking for a defense first guy, preferably with size. I see Pritchard as an undersized SG. I'd prefer Pritchard ply with one of Smart/White. We don't have much opportunity here.  Maybe they could battle with Pritchard for minutes, but I only see them playing if White or Smart is out.

Next a 3rd string center. I want a guy who can play the 5 when both Al and RWIII are out. Limited opportunity here, they can battle Theis for minutes, plus RWIII is likely to miss games and I'd image we would like to reduce Al's load next regular season, both a few minutes less a game and being conservative on back-to-backs.

So I'm hoping for a deep roster that looks something like.

Smart/White/Vet-min
Brown/Pritchard/TPE
Tatum/TP-MLE/Neismith
Horford/Grant/TPE
RWIII/Theis/Vet-min

TW
Hauser
2nd round pick

An off-the-cuff off-season plan that would thrill me:

1.  Trade for Jeff Green and Josh Richardson using the TPE

2.  Sign Al to an extension.  If we don't win the title, we can waive him first to get out of his non-guaranteed money, and then sign him to a new contract.  This can be in the summer, or January.

3.  Sign D.J. Augustin for vet minimum

4.  Sign Dwayne Dedmon or Boogie Cousins for vet minimum


Roster:

Timelord / Theis / Dedmon
Horford / Grant / Green / Hauser
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White
Marcus / Pritchard / Augustin

[sgrogan]

I think free agency will be interesting for the Celtics.  Yes, we can offer a roster spot on a contender.  However, can we sell free agents on playing time?  The only spot that seems to offer potential minutes is backup wing.

I wonder, would Denver be willing to trade Jeff Green for a second?  He's a solid player, but they're so far over the luxury tax that he may not be worth it to them.

$17,142,857 trade exception
- $4,250,000 Jeff Green
- $12,196,094 Josh Richardson
====================
= Championship


Timelord / Theis
Horford / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / Pritchard

Honestly, taking on Jeff Green should give us a second and not cost a second.  That’s a salary dump for Denver and it’s not even clear if Green cracks the nightly rotation.  I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but that’s doing Denver a favor.

agreed.  Uncle Sleepy's been here before and was truly underwhelming.  only produced every 6 games or so.  there has to be someone out there who's a lot more consistent.

I like Richardson and at this point feel SAS should have given us a pick to take White from them based on Derrick's play so far this season.  Don't know if I'd bring him back without looking around to see who else was available but he did show he could play in this system and offer some actual scoring with good D.

Who is out there making less than $5 million that adds 10+ points on very good efficiency, while also offering positional flexibility and solid defense?

Richardson, on the court, is a good player and was in Boston. But we have no idea what he was like off the court. It was discussed by Perk, that certain players traded by the Celtics at the deadline HAD to go. Schröder specifically. But maybe Richardson too.

I mean, Richardson has bounced around a lot. He is on his 5th team in 4 seasons. He was traded by Boston in the midst of his best season in years after getting a year's extension on his deal. Maybe, just maybe, he is moving around so much due to off court issues. When I see a player as good as Richardson bounce around a lot, I think there has to be problems not seen on the court.

It's a possibility, but I think it's as simple as wanting to upgrade the team while also getting under the luxury tax.

If Wyc and Pags are ready to go "all in" next year, I think Richardson is among the guys who make sense.  After Pagliuca missed out on his multi-billion dollar Chelsea deal, he's got money burning a hole in his pockt.

any locker room or off court issues are just speculation until something becomes public.  it's possible Richardson was an issue but nothing of the sort has become public.

As for Green, he may have those numbers from this season but I feel he's the perfect case of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" if we brought him back for a second tour.  if the choice was between him and the current end of bench fodder we have, I'd take him but in no way would I look at him as an integral piece for this team to contend.

Well, if Green came back another time, I'd hope the expectations would be a little different.  Instead of replacing a beloved starter and becoming the "future" of this team, he'd just be taking over for Malik Fitts.

This is a good point, assuming we bring back Al, we have 10 guaranteed contacts.
Ime played an 8 1/2 man rotation even during the regular season. All 9 guys are back and given how they played there is no dire need to change anything.

Our biggest need is a backup wing. Ideally a sharp shooting 3&D guy. But realistically what we have to offer is the ability to compete with Neismith for sub-rotation minutes. If the player is reliable/productive enough maybe the regular season rotation increases to 9 1/2 guys.

Next would be a 3rd string point guard. I'd be looking for a defense first guy, preferably with size. I see Pritchard as an undersized SG. I'd prefer Pritchard ply with one of Smart/White. We don't have much opportunity here.  Maybe they could battle with Pritchard for minutes, but I only see them playing if White or Smart is out.

Next a 3rd string center. I want a guy who can play the 5 when both Al and RWIII are out. Limited opportunity here, they can battle Theis for minutes, plus RWIII is likely to miss games and I'd image we would like to reduce Al's load next regular season, both a few minutes less a game and being conservative on back-to-backs.

So I'm hoping for a deep roster that looks something like.

Smart/White/Vet-min
Brown/Pritchard/TPE
Tatum/TP-MLE/Neismith
Horford/Grant/TPE
RWIII/Theis/Vet-min

TW
Hauser
2nd round pick

An off-the-cuff off-season plan that would thrill me:

1.  Trade for Jeff Green and Josh Richardson using the TPE

2.  Sign Al to an extension.  If we don't win the title, we can waive him first to get out of his non-guaranteed money, and then sign him to a new contract.  This can be in the summer, or January.

3.  Sign D.J. Augustin for vet minimum

4.  Sign Dwayne Dedmon or Boogie Cousins for vet minimum


Roster:

Timelord / Theis / Dedmon
Horford / Grant / Green / Hauser
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White
Marcus / Pritchard / Augustin

We are the same page as far as the types of moves. Hauser is eligible for a TW and you didn't use your TP-MLE

[Roy H.]

I think free agency will be interesting for the Celtics.  Yes, we can offer a roster spot on a contender.  However, can we sell free agents on playing time?  The only spot that seems to offer potential minutes is backup wing.

I wonder, would Denver be willing to trade Jeff Green for a second?  He's a solid player, but they're so far over the luxury tax that he may not be worth it to them.

$17,142,857 trade exception
- $4,250,000 Jeff Green
- $12,196,094 Josh Richardson
====================
= Championship


Timelord / Theis
Horford / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / Pritchard

Honestly, taking on Jeff Green should give us a second and not cost a second.  That’s a salary dump for Denver and it’s not even clear if Green cracks the nightly rotation.  I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but that’s doing Denver a favor.

agreed.  Uncle Sleepy's been here before and was truly underwhelming.  only produced every 6 games or so.  there has to be someone out there who's a lot more consistent.

I like Richardson and at this point feel SAS should have given us a pick to take White from them based on Derrick's play so far this season.  Don't know if I'd bring him back without looking around to see who else was available but he did show he could play in this system and offer some actual scoring with good D.

Who is out there making less than $5 million that adds 10+ points on very good efficiency, while also offering positional flexibility and solid defense?

Richardson, on the court, is a good player and was in Boston. But we have no idea what he was like off the court. It was discussed by Perk, that certain players traded by the Celtics at the deadline HAD to go. Schröder specifically. But maybe Richardson too.

I mean, Richardson has bounced around a lot. He is on his 5th team in 4 seasons. He was traded by Boston in the midst of his best season in years after getting a year's extension on his deal. Maybe, just maybe, he is moving around so much due to off court issues. When I see a player as good as Richardson bounce around a lot, I think there has to be problems not seen on the court.

It's a possibility, but I think it's as simple as wanting to upgrade the team while also getting under the luxury tax.

If Wyc and Pags are ready to go "all in" next year, I think Richardson is among the guys who make sense.  After Pagliuca missed out on his multi-billion dollar Chelsea deal, he's got money burning a hole in his pockt.

any locker room or off court issues are just speculation until something becomes public.  it's possible Richardson was an issue but nothing of the sort has become public.

As for Green, he may have those numbers from this season but I feel he's the perfect case of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" if we brought him back for a second tour.  if the choice was between him and the current end of bench fodder we have, I'd take him but in no way would I look at him as an integral piece for this team to contend.

Well, if Green came back another time, I'd hope the expectations would be a little different.  Instead of replacing a beloved starter and becoming the "future" of this team, he'd just be taking over for Malik Fitts.

This is a good point, assuming we bring back Al, we have 10 guaranteed contacts.
Ime played an 8 1/2 man rotation even during the regular season. All 9 guys are back and given how they played there is no dire need to change anything.

Our biggest need is a backup wing. Ideally a sharp shooting 3&D guy. But realistically what we have to offer is the ability to compete with Neismith for sub-rotation minutes. If the player is reliable/productive enough maybe the regular season rotation increases to 9 1/2 guys.

Next would be a 3rd string point guard. I'd be looking for a defense first guy, preferably with size. I see Pritchard as an undersized SG. I'd prefer Pritchard ply with one of Smart/White. We don't have much opportunity here.  Maybe they could battle with Pritchard for minutes, but I only see them playing if White or Smart is out.

Next a 3rd string center. I want a guy who can play the 5 when both Al and RWIII are out. Limited opportunity here, they can battle Theis for minutes, plus RWIII is likely to miss games and I'd image we would like to reduce Al's load next regular season, both a few minutes less a game and being conservative on back-to-backs.

So I'm hoping for a deep roster that looks something like.

Smart/White/Vet-min
Brown/Pritchard/TPE
Tatum/TP-MLE/Neismith
Horford/Grant/TPE
RWIII/Theis/Vet-min

TW
Hauser
2nd round pick

An off-the-cuff off-season plan that would thrill me:

1.  Trade for Jeff Green and Josh Richardson using the TPE

2.  Sign Al to an extension.  If we don't win the title, we can waive him first to get out of his non-guaranteed money, and then sign him to a new contract.  This can be in the summer, or January.

3.  Sign D.J. Augustin for vet minimum

4.  Sign Dwayne Dedmon or Boogie Cousins for vet minimum


Roster:

Timelord / Theis / Dedmon
Horford / Grant / Green / Hauser
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White
Marcus / Pritchard / Augustin

We are the same page as far as the types of moves. Hauser is eligible for a TW and you didn't use your TP-MLE

I'm not fully up to date on the two-way rules.  If Hauser is indeed eligible, and if he's willing to take another two-way, it would be great to use that.

If we use most of the TPE bringing in a player or players, I'm skeptical that ownership will use the MLE.  If it is used, I think it might be used for things like signing Hauser to a 4-year non-guaranteed contract to keep him under team control.

[sgrogan]

I think free agency will be interesting for the Celtics.  Yes, we can offer a roster spot on a contender.  However, can we sell free agents on playing time?  The only spot that seems to offer potential minutes is backup wing.

I wonder, would Denver be willing to trade Jeff Green for a second?  He's a solid player, but they're so far over the luxury tax that he may not be worth it to them.

$17,142,857 trade exception
- $4,250,000 Jeff Green
- $12,196,094 Josh Richardson
====================
= Championship


Timelord / Theis
Horford / Williams / Green
Tatum / Richardson
Brown / White
Smart / Pritchard

Honestly, taking on Jeff Green should give us a second and not cost a second.  That’s a salary dump for Denver and it’s not even clear if Green cracks the nightly rotation.  I wouldn’t mind him on the team, but that’s doing Denver a favor.

agreed.  Uncle Sleepy's been here before and was truly underwhelming.  only produced every 6 games or so.  there has to be someone out there who's a lot more consistent.

I like Richardson and at this point feel SAS should have given us a pick to take White from them based on Derrick's play so far this season.  Don't know if I'd bring him back without looking around to see who else was available but he did show he could play in this system and offer some actual scoring with good D.

Who is out there making less than $5 million that adds 10+ points on very good efficiency, while also offering positional flexibility and solid defense?

Richardson, on the court, is a good player and was in Boston. But we have no idea what he was like off the court. It was discussed by Perk, that certain players traded by the Celtics at the deadline HAD to go. Schröder specifically. But maybe Richardson too.

I mean, Richardson has bounced around a lot. He is on his 5th team in 4 seasons. He was traded by Boston in the midst of his best season in years after getting a year's extension on his deal. Maybe, just maybe, he is moving around so much due to off court issues. When I see a player as good as Richardson bounce around a lot, I think there has to be problems not seen on the court.

It's a possibility, but I think it's as simple as wanting to upgrade the team while also getting under the luxury tax.

If Wyc and Pags are ready to go "all in" next year, I think Richardson is among the guys who make sense.  After Pagliuca missed out on his multi-billion dollar Chelsea deal, he's got money burning a hole in his pockt.

any locker room or off court issues are just speculation until something becomes public.  it's possible Richardson was an issue but nothing of the sort has become public.

As for Green, he may have those numbers from this season but I feel he's the perfect case of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" if we brought him back for a second tour.  if the choice was between him and the current end of bench fodder we have, I'd take him but in no way would I look at him as an integral piece for this team to contend.

Well, if Green came back another time, I'd hope the expectations would be a little different.  Instead of replacing a beloved starter and becoming the "future" of this team, he'd just be taking over for Malik Fitts.

This is a good point, assuming we bring back Al, we have 10 guaranteed contacts.
Ime played an 8 1/2 man rotation even during the regular season. All 9 guys are back and given how they played there is no dire need to change anything.

Our biggest need is a backup wing. Ideally a sharp shooting 3&D guy. But realistically what we have to offer is the ability to compete with Neismith for sub-rotation minutes. If the player is reliable/productive enough maybe the regular season rotation increases to 9 1/2 guys.

Next would be a 3rd string point guard. I'd be looking for a defense first guy, preferably with size. I see Pritchard as an undersized SG. I'd prefer Pritchard ply with one of Smart/White. We don't have much opportunity here.  Maybe they could battle with Pritchard for minutes, but I only see them playing if White or Smart is out.

Next a 3rd string center. I want a guy who can play the 5 when both Al and RWIII are out. Limited opportunity here, they can battle Theis for minutes, plus RWIII is likely to miss games and I'd image we would like to reduce Al's load next regular season, both a few minutes less a game and being conservative on back-to-backs.

So I'm hoping for a deep roster that looks something like.

Smart/White/Vet-min
Brown/Pritchard/TPE
Tatum/TP-MLE/Neismith
Horford/Grant/TPE
RWIII/Theis/Vet-min

TW
Hauser
2nd round pick

An off-the-cuff off-season plan that would thrill me:

1.  Trade for Jeff Green and Josh Richardson using the TPE

2.  Sign Al to an extension.  If we don't win the title, we can waive him first to get out of his non-guaranteed money, and then sign him to a new contract.  This can be in the summer, or January.

3.  Sign D.J. Augustin for vet minimum

4.  Sign Dwayne Dedmon or Boogie Cousins for vet minimum


Roster:

Timelord / Theis / Dedmon
Horford / Grant / Green / Hauser
Tatum / Richardson / Nesmith
Brown / White
Marcus / Pritchard / Augustin

We are the same page as far as the types of moves. Hauser is eligible for a TW and you didn't use your TP-MLE

I'm not fully up to date on the two-way rules.  If Hauser is indeed eligible, and if he's willing to take another two-way, it would be great to use that.

If we use most of the TPE bringing in a player or players, I'm skeptical that ownership will use the MLE.  If it is used, I think it might be used for things like signing Hauser to a 4-year non-guaranteed contract to keep him under team control.

It's now or never to spend.
OK here's mine.
Trade nothing for Olynyk in a salary dump from DET, competes with Theis. Either has a contract to use in a future trade.
Sign Jaylen Smith to the TP-MLE. Its a lottery ticket, I'm intrigued how he played in IND after the trade. (I'd prefer Otto Porter, but I think he gets more)
Sign Joe Ingalls to vet-min, given the injury it's low risk high reward.
Sign Malik Monk to vet-men. Good 3pt shooter, not much defense. He played for the min last season.
Sign PJ Dozier for vet min (I'd prefer Gary Payton II, but I think he stays with GSW)
Sign Hauser to a 2-way, hopefully he likes it here.
Draft Jabari Walker or Khalifa Diop in the second round (Because Tankathon said so and I don't know)

Smart/White/Dozier
Brown/Pritchard/Monk
Tatum/Neismith/Ingals
Horford/G. Willians/Smith
R. Williams/Theis/Olynyk

TW's Hauser/Walker

5M left on the 17M TPE
6.9M TPE from Hermangomez
5.8M TPE from Schroder
All of our future 1st's

[nickagneta]

I kinda like Justin Holiday as a TPE candidate. I think he fits the mold of the type of player that would fit on this team.

[Roy H.]

I kinda like Justin Holiday as a TPE candidate. I think he fits the mold of the type of player that would fit on this team.

I didn't watch him much at all last year, but his contract isn't bad and historically he's been a solid player.

[sgrogan]

I kinda like Justin Holiday as a TPE candidate. I think he fits the mold of the type of player that would fit on this team.

I didn't watch him much at all last year, but his contract isn't bad and historically he's been a solid player.

I like the player, he would fit in the Hermangomez TPE not even touching the 17M TPE.
But what is the cost. I think SAC is projected to be over the cap, but under the tax. Why would they accept a 2nd? Would you trade/they accept Neismith or a protected first?

[Vermont Green]

I kinda like Justin Holiday as a TPE candidate. I think he fits the mold of the type of player that would fit on this team.

I didn't watch him much at all last year, but his contract isn't bad and historically he's been a solid player.

I like the player, he would fit in the Hermangomez TPE not even touching the 17M TPE.
But what is the cost. I think SAC is projected to be over the cap, but under the tax. Why would they accept a 2nd? Would you trade/they accept Neismith or a protected first?

I agree that Justin Holiday would be a useful bench player but there are probably similar players we could get without giving up anything.  I could see us offering Nesmith and a first for Barnes for example but that doesn't work as easily.  I don't see us giving up Nesmith and a first for Holiday though.

[sgrogan]

I kinda like Justin Holiday as a TPE candidate. I think he fits the mold of the type of player that would fit on this team.

I didn't watch him much at all last year, but his contract isn't bad and historically he's been a solid player.

I like the player, he would fit in the Hermangomez TPE not even touching the 17M TPE.
But what is the cost. I think SAC is projected to be over the cap, but under the tax. Why would they accept a 2nd? Would you trade/they accept Neismith or a protected first?

I agree that Justin Holiday would be a useful bench player but there are probably similar players we could get without giving up anything.  I could see us offering Nesmith and a first for Barnes for example but that doesn't work as easily.  I don't see us giving up Nesmith and a first for Holiday though.

That was my point starting this thread.
We have these TPE's, but not assets (at least one's I'd give up) to use them.
So far the only trade I'd do where we send out anything of value is Celts2021's Pritchard + 2nd for Kenard.
Otherwise for the TPE I'm looking at salary dumps for a 2nd or less.

[Vermont Green]

Jalen Smith is absolutely an interesting player but likely not with a TPE.  That would have to be a sign and trade and I don't even know if Indy could do that if they wanted due to the contract situation.  As I understand it, because PHO declined his 3rd year option of $4.67M, the the team holding his contract (now IND) cannot sign him for more than that amount.  So I guess we could get him in a sign and trade for that amount but if he would take that, IND would probably just keep him.  Plus we would end up hard capped by the S&T and I don't think it is worth the hard cap for him.

Instead we could sign him up to the TP-MLE amount of $6.3M (he is a UFA).  $6.3M is more than $4.7M so that is good.  I don't know how good he really is but he is exactly the type of player we need, an athletic, full-sized PF who has shown he can shoot/score some.  He finished the season very strong with IND.  It really didn't work out for him in PHO and he may shy away from being lower on the depth chart on a good team again so I don't know how good of a fit Boston would be from his perspective but from our perspective, it would be great.

[Vermont Green]

That was my point starting this thread.
We have these TPE's, but not assets (at least one's I'd give up) to use them.
So far the only trade I'd do where we send out anything of value is Celts2021's Pritchard + 2nd for Kenard.
Otherwise for the TPE I'm looking at salary dumps for a 2nd or less.

It is true.  It is not a given we are able to use any of them.  We have about $5M left from Kemba that expires May 17.  Fourier's $17.1M expires Aug 17.  And then several smaller ones that go in to Jan and Feb 2023.  Having some first round draft picks would help.  We are not going to get all that much back for second round picks I don't think.  I guess the good news is that we don't need all that much.  If the right player does become available, we have some flexibility with all the TPE even if we don't have a ton to send out.  We just have to let it play out.