Better starting five than K.D. Warriors

[KG Living Legend]

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/lists/nba-boston-celtics-no-2-postseason-ranking-east-2022/

In terms of net rating. Celtics are better than Durant, Iggy, Draymomd, Klay and Steph

That fivesome has a 24.0 net rating in 404 minutes together, the highest of any group that’s played at least 200 minutes. (For context: Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green posted a 22.4 net in 2017.) Meanwhile, Derrick White and Grant Williams are incredibly solid players to bring off the bench, allowing the Celtics to match size when they want to.”

[KG Living Legend]

 This is exciting stuff fellas. It says we have a better Net rating than the best Warriors team. We may have one of the best Net ratings ever. Can anyone find a starting five with a better Net rating than 24?

 Minimum 400 minutes played together.

[greg683x]

None of that matters until we start winning rings.

[Roy H.]

I wonder how much the starters' net rating is due to leaving our starters in during blowouts.  Because Ime doesn't trust the bench, it can intentionally or unintentionally lead to running up the score, and thus improving our net rating.

[Moranis]

Optimism is fine, but we are approaching crazy town levels of optimism.  Durant is a top 15 player all time and Curry is nearing it, if not already there.  They were both top 5 players, arguably top 3 players, during that season.  Klay and Dray were both consistent all star or all NBA level players and Dray was a DPOY candidate.  AI doesn't fit with the other 4, but was a cagey veteran that knew his role, in much the same way Horford does.  Boston has less size, but a similar roster construction, but Boston's players are just significantly worse basically across the board.  Tatum < Durant, Brown < Curry, Smart < Klay, Rob < Dray.  Basically only Al and AI is even close to comparable. 

[SparzWizard]

Net ratings are great, but let's win a playoff series or three first.

[KG Living Legend]

Optimism is fine, but we are approaching crazy town levels of optimism.  Durant is a top 15 player all time and Curry is nearing it, if not already there.  They were both top 5 players, arguably top 3 players, during that season.  Klay and Dray were both consistent all star or all NBA level players and Dray was a DPOY candidate.  AI doesn't fit with the other 4, but was a cagey veteran that knew his role, in much the same way Horford does.  Boston has less size, but a similar roster construction, but Boston's players are just significantly worse basically across the board.  Tatum < Durant, Brown < Curry, Smart < Klay, Rob < Dray.  Basically only Al and AI is even close to comparable.

 Relax man it's just a really impressive meaningful statistics. Nobody said we are better than one of the best teams ever, yet lol.

 That's a statistics that can't be ignored.  And AL fits great with this team.

[droopdog7]

Been saying this team playing at a historic clip.  Crazy stuff.

[celticsclay]

Optimism is fine, but we are approaching crazy town levels of optimism.  Durant is a top 15 player all time and Curry is nearing it, if not already there.  They were both top 5 players, arguably top 3 players, during that season.  Klay and Dray were both consistent all star or all NBA level players and Dray was a DPOY candidate.  AI doesn't fit with the other 4, but was a cagey veteran that knew his role, in much the same way Horford does.  Boston has less size, but a similar roster construction, but Boston's players are just significantly worse basically across the board.  Tatum < Durant, Brown < Curry, Smart < Klay, Rob < Dray.  Basically only Al and AI is even close to comparable.

 Relax man it's just a really impressive meaningful statistics. Nobody said we are better than one of the best teams ever, yet lol.

 That's a statistics that can't be ignored.  And AL fits great with this team.

If there is one thing Boston fans known for it is being overly optimistic. Lol tp kg

[Moranis]

Optimism is fine, but we are approaching crazy town levels of optimism.  Durant is a top 15 player all time and Curry is nearing it, if not already there.  They were both top 5 players, arguably top 3 players, during that season.  Klay and Dray were both consistent all star or all NBA level players and Dray was a DPOY candidate.  AI doesn't fit with the other 4, but was a cagey veteran that knew his role, in much the same way Horford does.  Boston has less size, but a similar roster construction, but Boston's players are just significantly worse basically across the board.  Tatum < Durant, Brown < Curry, Smart < Klay, Rob < Dray.  Basically only Al and AI is even close to comparable.

 Relax man it's just a really impressive meaningful statistics. Nobody said we are better than one of the best teams ever, yet lol.

 That's a statistics that can't be ignored.  And AL fits great with this team.

except you titled the thread "Better staring five than K.D. Warriors" and then in each of your first two posts doubled down that they were better than the Warriors and the best starting 5 via net rating ever.  The whole way this thread is framed is that this year's team is one of the greatest teams ever. 

[pablohoney]

Net rating is a useful tool but it is an average.  Curry, Durant, Klay etc. had the talent to exceed that average on almost any given night against every team.  Especially Durant and Curry.  The Nets with Durant and Curry similarly have 2 guys capable of going off against anybody.  Do the Celtics starting 5 have that same ability or is there more variance within their net rating from game to game?  Will they have the same ability/net rating in a playoff series?  I think the problem the Celtics are making for other teams is that other teams (like Utah Jazz Donavan Mitchell was overheard saying to Dwayne Wade) is that they don’t know what to do.  That could change as coaches game plan them better or when a given team that matches up better plays them. 

[BringToughnessBack]

Pretty sure if won 2 titles in a row, people would still be complaining about the progress we have made. Everything is pointing to huge leaps being made this year and I expect it will continue in the playoffs all the way to the Finals.

In the end, Tatum will win at least 4 titles. I have been saying this since the very beginning and nothing I have seen has changed my mind.

[tazzmaniac]

There's lies, [dang] lies and statistics.  The starting 5 is very good but it is not close to K.D. Warriors level good yet.   

Did a bit of spot checking and found a few interesting items.  The referenced GSW lineup with AI had a +22.4 in 224 minutes.  However, their lineup swapping Pachulia for AI was slightly better on NETRTG and played a lot more together, +23.2 in 532 minutes.  In the playoffs both of those lineups held up well (Pachulia lineup:  +17 in 149 minutes, AI lineup +22 in 65 minutes).   

The 2nd most played Celtics lineup, albeit only 103 minutes, was the same except Schroeder swapped for Brown.  That lineup's NETRTG was -17.0.  The 3rd most played lineup, 95 minutes, with GWill instead of Al has a 31.1 NETRTG.   

If NETRTG of starting lineup is the focus, the Sixers ought to be overjoyed with the Harden trade. 
Their old starting 5 lineup with Curry had a -10.6 NETRTG in 256 minutes.  Their new starting lineup with Harden instead of Curry has a 24.0 NETRTG in 218 minutes. 

[Big333223]

Net ratings are great, but let's win a playoff series or three first.

Yep.

This is all good stuff and I'll be happy if it leads to playoff success.

And, in the meantime, this is good stuff.