Nesmith over Bane because of Arm length

[liam]

Could've had both.

[kraidstar]

Nesmith will ultimately be the better player. He has had the yips but that should pass. He is more athletic than Bane and eventually will stop making things harder on himself and learn to accept success.

He's in his second year in the league under his second head coach in the midst of a pandemic in a team that only recently is playing functional team basketball. He needs more experience and confidence. The tools are there, and we've seen flashes of the player he will become once he matures.

The kid will be a strong rotation player someday. Bank on it.

[tazzmaniac]

Nesmith will ultimately be the better player. He has had the yips but that should pass. He is more athletic than Bane and eventually will stop making things harder on himself and learn to accept success.

He's in his second year in the league under his second head coach in the midst of a pandemic in a team that only recently is playing functional team basketball. He needs more experience and confidence. The tools are there, and we've seen flashes of the player he will become once he matures.

The kid will be a strong rotation player someday. Bank on it.

Don't see much basis for that other than green goggled hope.  Bane is also in his 2nd season but is already a good starter, averaging 17.5 pts, on one of the top teams in the league.  He's shot over 40% from 3 in both his seasons.  Bane is already better than a strong rotation player. 

Nesmith isn't an uber athlete.  So Nesmith being a better athlete than Bane doesn't mean much.  Nesmith will turn 23 in October and is only a year and 4 months younger than Bane.  Nesmith doesn't have that much upside and he doesn't have that much time to do so. 

[Sophomore]

You’re probably right that Bane’s arm length was a negative. But most published scouting reports showed other concerns. They said he had below average lateral quickness, which would undermine his ability to defend in a switch heavy scheme or create off the dribble. They also doubted his straight-line speed, think: Grant Williams with less mobility and without a polished low post game.

Turns out his shooting translates better than almost everybody expected; I’m less sure about how he’s done on defense. A guess is that he’s already pretty close to his ceiling. The problem with Nesmith is that he just lost his shooting. His ceiling was (and still is) higher than Bane’s, though I agree that the odds of him reaching it are going down.

[Roy H.]

The real miss was Maxey.

I wanted Nesmith, but predicted Maxey. Always bet on Kentucky guys.

[tazzmaniac]

The real miss was Maxey.

I wanted Nesmith, but predicted Maxey. Always bet on Kentucky guys.

   James Young.  Enough said. 

[Sophomore]

The real miss was Maxey.

I wanted Nesmith, but predicted Maxey. Always bet on Kentucky guys.

Yes. He would have been a solid get. And very attainable.

Or, if DA had spent the draft capital to move up so he could get Herro instead of letting Miami nab him one spot early. Was a shame Sacto had its one pretty good season the year we cashed in their pick.

[tazzmaniac]

You’re probably right that Bane’s arm length was a negative. But most published scouting reports showed other concerns. They said he had below average lateral quickness, which would undermine his ability to defend in a switch heavy scheme or create off the dribble. They also doubted his straight-line speed, think: Grant Williams with less mobility and without a polished low post game.

Turns out his shooting translates better than almost everybody expected; I’m less sure about how he’s done on defense. A guess is that he’s already pretty close to his ceiling. The problem with Nesmith is that he just lost his shooting. His ceiling was (and still is) higher than Bane’s, though I agree that the odds of him reaching it are going down.

Don't know why anybody is surprised with Bane's shooting.  In college, he shot 38% from 3 as a freshman and then over 42% each of his last 3 seasons on good volume.  Bane was a good defender in college; he's probably an average NBA defender.  Bane showed more shot creation ability in college than Nesmith did.   

Nesmith on the other hand shot 33% as a freshman.  Everyone seems to ignore that his vaunted sophomore season consisted of only 14 games before he went out injured.  His numbers would have certainly gone down in conference and tournament play. 

[KG Living Legend]

 The other misses are good points. Cole Anthony was a kid that plays with a huge heart and is a legends son. He's avg 17ppg 6 and 5, for an awesome team jk.

Cole was the 15th pick, 16th pick was Isaiah Stewart who is already a walking double double at 20 years young.

 17th was Poku who is very interesting.  18th was green he kinda stinks, 19th Saddiq Bey who's doing awesome 16ppg 6boards

20th Achious, who I like on the Raptors , 21 was Maxey.

 That's a big opportunity to grab a good player. I think the Anthony miss was huge. I felt much better about him than Maxey pre-draft.


 Great point about the 14th game stretch. Everyone kept saying,  he shot 52% from three for the whole season!

 If it was really only 14 games that way to small of sample size, compared to Anthony or Maxey . Even Saddiq Bey played very Villanova avg 16 and 5 and is bigger and stronger.

[todd_days_41]

The real miss was Maxey.

I wanted Nesmith, but predicted Maxey. Always bet on Kentucky guys.

Yes but — folks get so cranky when you cherry pick just one player. As previously stated, Ainge could have thrown a dart at a board of the next 10 guys and almost certainly have “picked” a better player.

[gouki88]

 The other misses are good points. Cole Anthony was a kid that plays with a huge heart and is a legends son. He's avg 17ppg 6 and 5, for an awesome team jk.

Cole was the 15th pick, 16th pick was Isaiah Stewart who is already a walking double double at 20 years young.

 17th was Poku who is very interesting.  18th was green he kinda stinks, 19th Saddiq Bey who's doing awesome 16ppg 6boards

20th Achious, who I like on the Raptors , 21 was Maxey.

 That's a big opportunity to grab a good player. I think the Anthony miss was huge. I felt much better about him than Maxey pre-draft.

I wouldn’t bring up Poku - he is utter garbage.

But Nesmith still has time. Many were bemoaning Grant over Brandon Clarke, but now Grant is a much better fit for us than Clarke. Patience is a good thing.

That being said, I really wanted Saddiq Bey

[todd_days_41]

 The other misses are good points. Cole Anthony was a kid that plays with a huge heart and is a legends son. He's avg 17ppg 6 and 5, for an awesome team jk.

Cole was the 15th pick, 16th pick was Isaiah Stewart who is already a walking double double at 20 years young.

 17th was Poku who is very interesting.  18th was green he kinda stinks, 19th Saddiq Bey who's doing awesome 16ppg 6boards

20th Achious, who I like on the Raptors , 21 was Maxey.

 That's a big opportunity to grab a good player. I think the Anthony miss was huge. I felt much better about him than Maxey pre-draft.

I wouldn’t bring up Poku - he is utter garbage.

But Nesmith still has time. Many were bemoaning Grant over Brandon Clarke, but now Grant is a much better fit for us than Clarke. Patience is a good thing.

That being said, I really wanted Saddiq Bey

But Grant could always play basketball. Nesmith can’t.

[gouki88]

 The other misses are good points. Cole Anthony was a kid that plays with a huge heart and is a legends son. He's avg 17ppg 6 and 5, for an awesome team jk.

Cole was the 15th pick, 16th pick was Isaiah Stewart who is already a walking double double at 20 years young.

 17th was Poku who is very interesting.  18th was green he kinda stinks, 19th Saddiq Bey who's doing awesome 16ppg 6boards

20th Achious, who I like on the Raptors , 21 was Maxey.

 That's a big opportunity to grab a good player. I think the Anthony miss was huge. I felt much better about him than Maxey pre-draft.

I wouldn’t bring up Poku - he is utter garbage.

But Nesmith still has time. Many were bemoaning Grant over Brandon Clarke, but now Grant is a much better fit for us than Clarke. Patience is a good thing.

That being said, I really wanted Saddiq Bey

But Grant could always play basketball. Nesmith can’t.

There were a huge amount of people pretty vocally disagreeing with you on this last season

[Sophomore]

You’re probably right that Bane’s arm length was a negative. But most published scouting reports showed other concerns. They said he had below average lateral quickness, which would undermine his ability to defend in a switch heavy scheme or create off the dribble. They also doubted his straight-line speed, think: Grant Williams with less mobility and without a polished low post game.

Turns out his shooting translates better than almost everybody expected; I’m less sure about how he’s done on defense. A guess is that he’s already pretty close to his ceiling. The problem with Nesmith is that he just lost his shooting. His ceiling was (and still is) higher than Bane’s, though I agree that the odds of him reaching it are going down.

Don't know why anybody is surprised with Bane's shooting.  In college, he shot 38% from 3 as a freshman and then over 42% each of his last 3 seasons on good volume.  Bane was a good defender in college; he's probably an average NBA defender.  Bane showed more shot creation ability in college than Nesmith did.   

Nesmith on the other hand shot 33% as a freshman.  Everyone seems to ignore that his vaunted sophomore season consisted of only 14 games before he went out injured.  His numbers would have certainly gone down in conference and tournament play.

A lot of players who shoot well in college don’t shoot as well in the pros - especially if they aren’t so tall and are limited as athletes. That was the concern. None of the writers had him ranked very high, and we know NBA scouts didn’t love him either: look where he was picked. He’s turned out better than most expected, simple as that.

Whether Nesmith’s shooting will return nobody knows. Last year on 108 attempts he managed to hit 37%, which is certainly acceptable. The shot just disappeared this year. And we know that for the flashes of athleticism, his defensive awareness and technique have been poor. So if he doesn’t make a leap he’ll fall out of the NBA. All the same, his athleticism is clearly superior to Banes. A lot of ppl said he was misused in college, and honestly that’s convincing; where he’s best so far is as a slasher and attacking closeouts.  It’s not hard to see why they went for him, though so far the results are bad.

[gouki88]

Nesmith will ultimately be the better player.

Nesmith would be very, very lucky to ever be an 18/5/3 guy on a top team, as Bane is