White vs Richardson

[Goldstar88]

Josh Richardson per 36: 14.1pts, 1.1stl, 2.2ast, 4.1reb, FG:44.3%, 3PT:39.7% FT:85.9%.

Derrick White: per 36: 15.7pts, 1.8stl, 4.6ast, 5.6reb, FG:38.9%, 3pt:24.1%, FT:76.5%

5 game sample size for White, but I’m not sure his passing skill makes up for his lack of shooting ability. He’s an offensive liability at times. Defensively, I don’t think he’s better than Richardson. Jason could guard the 1-3 at 6’5”/200lbs with a 6’10” wingspan. White is also going to cost $17M next season to Richardson’s $12M.

Hopefully the trade turns out to be a good move, however, I’m certainly not sold on it at this point.

[Roy H.]

I like the ball movement and penetrating ability.  I think the shooting will come eventually.

Whether the trade will be worth it is an open question.  Same thing with the Theis trade; odd move if we’re not going to play him.

[colincb]

White played sparingly in his rookie year, but over this three next seasons and this year the respective RAPTOR scores for each:

JR
O -0.1
D -0.3
T -0.4

DW
O +1.0
D +3.0
T +4.0

At least by this stat, White is clearly superior on defense and the magnitude of the difference is significant.

[Csfan1984]

If the C's didn't give up a first, let alone a additional swap I'd be okay with the White trade. White has important value next year for PG depth while Schro would be leaving. Still don't think he was worth the first knowing that value and seeing him so far. Let's hope White improves.

[Goldstar88]

White played sparingly in his rookie year, but over this three next seasons and this year the respective RAPTOR scores for each:

JR
O -0.1
D -0.3
T -0.4

DW
O +1.0
D +3.0
T +4.0

At least by this stat, White is clearly superior on defense and the magnitude of the difference is significant.

I didn’t follow White the last 3 seasons, so all I’m going on is what I’ve seen of him on the C’s and what I saw from Richardson. He doesn’t look any better to me defensively and he certainly can’t guard 3’s. He’s slight of build and I’ve seen him get overpowered by larger 2/3’s.

[colincb]

White played sparingly in his rookie year, but over this three next seasons and this year the respective RAPTOR scores for each:

JR
O -0.1
D -0.3
T -0.4

DW
O +1.0
D +3.0
T +4.0

At least by this stat, White is clearly superior on defense and the magnitude of the difference is significant.

I didn’t follow White the last 3 seasons, so all I’m going on is what I’ve seen of him on the C’s and what I saw from Richardson. He doesn’t look any better to me defensively and he certainly can’t guard 3’s. He’s slight of build and I’ve seen him get overpowered by larger 2/3’s.

JR 2021-2
O -0.1
D -1.9
T -2.0

DW 2021-2
O +0.7
D +3.7
T +4.3

Adjusted +/- numbers aren't perfect, but White's numbers are historically very consistent and consistently superior to Richardson's.

[tonydelk]

 The offense is much better with White.  White is also more equipped to handle PGs on D then Richardson.  White is the superior playmaker and ball handler.  I'd much rather have White then Richardson.  If smart gets hurt White steps in.  If Richardson was here PP would have to step in.  The team is more balances with White. 

[Neurotic Guy]

I think people can't look at the JR and DW comparison without thinking about the 1st and the swap.  I understand that, but I'm happy with an on the court upgrade this year and the next couple years.  I think DW is an upgrade -- just able to do more with the ball.  The ball is moving (and players are moving) much better now and I think White has played a role in that.  I honestly can't judge the difference defensively but offensively Derrick brings more to the table - eye-test, regardless of stats.  I'm not looking for a massive upgrade, just an upgrade, and I think DW is that.   

[jambr380]

I like the ball movement and penetrating ability.  I think the shooting will come eventually.

Whether the trade will be worth it is an open question.  Same thing with the Theis trade; odd move if we’re not going to play him.

I love Theis, but agree with your assessment. I guess we have to look at it as if we traded Schroder for PP; and if we trade Horford in the offseason, then that’s where Theis comes in.

I like White, but am not blown away. I guess his advanced stats are better than Richardson’s and Schroder’s, but the main difference seems to be that he isn’t so reliant on iso ball. Seems like more of a philosophy we could have instilled in the other two. Hey, maybe we re-acquire Richardson with the TPE this offseason and re-sign Schroder with the taxpayer MLE.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Comparisons like this seem to forget that Richardson is having a career shooting year, but his counting stats have declined for like 4 straight seasons.

Meanwhile, White's general numbers continue to improve while he is having his worst shooting year of his career.

It's just very obvious that Brad Stevens traded for Richardson while his value was at an all-time low (arguably a negative value contract), rehabbed his value, and then traded him for a better player.

And White's passing is lightyears ahead of Richardson. He doesn't just get assists, he stirs the offense, cuts off-ball (Richardson was meh at this), and gets hockey assists. Richardson was serviceable with the ball in his hands.

Oh, and White is better defensively than Richardson. He is much better off-ball as a helpside defender and he's better on-ball against guards. Richardson might have guarded up a little better than White, but that is very minimal as I've watched him.

[Csfan1984]

I like the ball movement and penetrating ability.  I think the shooting will come eventually.

Whether the trade will be worth it is an open question.  Same thing with the Theis trade; odd move if we’re not going to play him.

I love Theis, but agree with your assessment. I guess we have to look at it as if we traded Schroder for PP; and if we trade Horford in the offseason, then that’s where Theis comes in.

I like White, but am not blown away. I guess his advanced stats are better than Richardson’s and Schroder’s, but the main difference seems to be that he isn’t so reliant on iso ball. Seems like more of a philosophy we could have instilled in the other two. Hey, maybe we re-acquire Richardson with the TPE this offseason and re-sign Schroder with the taxpayer MLE.

I'm hoping for Josh coming back as Spurs are loaded at SG. Not so much for Schro with White here. Team could use a 3/4 hybrid foward.

[celticsclay]

I like the ball movement and penetrating ability.  I think the shooting will come eventually.

Whether the trade will be worth it is an open question.  Same thing with the Theis trade; odd move if we’re not going to play him.

I love Theis, but agree with your assessment. I guess we have to look at it as if we traded Schroder for PP; and if we trade Horford in the offseason, then that’s where Theis comes in.

I like White, but am not blown away. I guess his advanced stats are better than Richardson’s and Schroder’s, but the main difference seems to be that he isn’t so reliant on iso ball. Seems like more of a philosophy we could have instilled in the other two. Hey, maybe we re-acquire Richardson with the TPE this offseason and re-sign Schroder with the taxpayer MLE.

I'm hoping for Josh coming back as Spurs are loaded at SG. Not so much for Schro with White here. Team could use a 3/4 hybrid foward.

Are we allowed to get Richardson back in less than a year from trade? Spurs barely play him. Would be real cool if we got him back abs would make me love the trade.

[todd_days_41]

I think people can't look at the JR and DW comparison without thinking about the 1st and the swap.  I understand that, but I'm happy with an on the court upgrade this year and the next couple years.  I think DW is an upgrade -- just able to do more with the ball.  The ball is moving (and players are moving) much better now and I think White has played a role in that.  I honestly can't judge the difference defensively but offensively Derrick brings more to the table - eye-test, regardless of stats.  I'm not looking for a massive upgrade, just an upgrade, and I think DW is that.

I prefer Richardson to White, saying nothing for the extra assets given up (which we’re a lot for a marginal player) and their respective contracts (also in JRs favor).

[slamtheking]

Josh Richardson per 36: 14.1pts, 1.1stl, 2.2ast, 4.1reb, FG:44.3%, 3PT:39.7% FT:85.9%.

Derrick White: per 36: 15.7pts, 1.8stl, 4.6ast, 5.6reb, FG:38.9%, 3pt:24.1%, FT:76.5%

5 game sample size for White, but I’m not sure his passing skill makes up for his lack of shooting ability. He’s an offensive liability at times. Defensively, I don’t think he’s better than Richardson. Jason could guard the 1-3 at 6’5”/200lbs with a 6’10” wingspan. White is also going to cost $17M next season to Richardson’s $12M.

Hopefully the trade turns out to be a good move, however, I’m certainly not sold on it at this point.

I'm with you on this.  didn't see the appeal when several people were clamoring for White and while I think he's shown he's a decent bench player, he wasn't worth what we gave up.   If it was JRich and either Romeo or the first rounder, I'd find it more tolerable but this was just an significant overpayment.   

I also look at the roster overall after the trades and find us weaker offensively overall.  yes, White is a better passer than JRich and Schroder but with those two replaced by White, the C's are down to just 2 players who are a real threat to put up 20+ points in a game.  Schroder's carried the offense during shooting droughts and sometimes an entire game whereas JRich has provided excellent 3-point shooting to go with a very solid mid-range game.  White's just not that kind of threat.  it will bite the team in the butt in the playoffs

[DefenseWinsChamps]

By the way, the subtle sleight of hand is nice. Comparison Josh Richardson's full season to White's 5 games with the Cs is a bit crafty if you want to take a dig at White.

How about we compare both players in the brief stint with their new teams?

Richardson's stats with the Spurs?

1 game played. 3 DNP coach's decision. 3ppg. 2apg.

But that doesn't quite fit the narrative that you are trying to advance.