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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2022, 05:35:51 PM »

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defense +
ballhandling +
play style +
chemistry +
overall fit +
long term contract +

I'm not worried about the shooting, I have confidence he'll come along at least as a spot up shooter.

The one area above that I'm not sure about is the contract.  I hate spending $18+ million on a guy who projects as a bench player right now.

$18m/year for 10.9pts, 3ast, 3.4 rebs while averaging 26.1mpg is going to be a hard pill to swallow. Even if he gets back to his career 44% FG and 34% from 3pt, I’m not sure he’s worth the money.


He's a starting caliber player who can also function well in a 6th man role, as he has so far with the Celts.

I think $15-18 million per year is pretty much what you ought to expect to pay for that.


Paying a premium for a guy like Derrick White is a consequence of failing to get a quality rotation piece w/ upside out of two straight lottery picks.  If you want talented guys in your top 5-6 on low cost deals, you need to find them in the draft and develop them.
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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2022, 05:46:07 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)

Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2022, 05:50:02 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Freedom if he moves Al :D

Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2022, 05:52:00 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2022, 05:54:17 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2022, 05:57:58 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2022, 06:11:13 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2022, 06:29:49 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2022, 06:32:15 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2022, 06:53:17 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

Bring back Bruno!
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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2022, 12:42:33 PM »

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I think what we're seeing from White is that when he first got here, he was playing on instinct. Now that he's been here a bit he's actually adjusting to the scheme and getting everything down and so we're seeing him struggle with that a bit. As long as he irons that out (I'm confident he will) his play should rebound.

As for the Richardson comparison: I feel like the playmaking is being understated. It's not just that he's a better passer, he's a more decisive decision-maker. When he's rolling, he changes the energy on the floor and makes the offense run more smoothly, not just with his own passing, but by keeping the flow going. That helps not just by being better himself but by making those around him better as well. I think that's really important.
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« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2022, 01:09:11 PM »

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Well the way BS has operated if White doesn't step it up he will be gone on draft night with another 1st  ::)
Haha, probably for Josh Richardson with the way he loves to reacquire guys.  Then he'll sign Kanter if he moves Al :D

Bring back Bruno!
We don't talk about Bruno!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWRMAU6V-c

My kids love this one. An instant classic. Way better than anything in Frozen 2.
It really is. And I am glad Disney handled it right. The Mouse Company captured the Latin American/Hispanic culture and people to a tee. I loved this movie. And am glad to see "We Don't Talk About Bruno" getting major radio play ...at least here in Central Florida
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Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2022, 01:49:02 PM »

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I'm just not sure why we gave up a 2028 pick swap in addition to everything else. I mean, if it were like Top-5 protected then I might have been fine with it, but since it's Top-1 protected only it feels like a huge gamble to take.
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I'm just not sure why we gave up a 2028 pick swap in addition to everything else. I mean, if it were like Top-5 protected then I might have been fine with it, but since it's Top-1 protected only it feels like a huge gamble to take.
You can always use that pick in a trade and then the swap doesn't matter. Also, given the age of the Jays and that Pops will be gone running and coaching the Spurs, the chances of that swap not happening or being detrimental to the Celtics is very good. I think people are making way, way, way too big a deal over that swap. Like, the team's management doesn't even have to THINK about it's effects for 5 years.

Re: White vs Richardson
« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2022, 02:36:32 PM »

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I'm just not sure why we gave up a 2028 pick swap in addition to everything else. I mean, if it were like Top-5 protected then I might have been fine with it, but since it's Top-1 protected only it feels like a huge gamble to take.
You can always use that pick in a trade and then the swap doesn't matter. Also, given the age of the Jays and that Pops will be gone running and coaching the Spurs, the chances of that swap not happening or being detrimental to the Celtics is very good. I think people are making way, way, way too big a deal over that swap. Like, the team's management doesn't even have to THINK about it's effects for 5 years.

Except not a single player on our current team will be under contract.  We have no idea if JB or JT will still be here.  We don't even know what the CBA will look like.  And, a single injury can send a team to the lottery, even if they have a good foundation.

In June 2028, Tatum will be 30.  White will be a couple of days away from 34.  Smart will be 34 as well, and JB will be four months away from 32. 

I have no idea what level those guys will be playing at in 2028.  They could all be in their near-prime, or some could be breaking down and injury prone.  I mean, did a middle of the pack Seattle team in 1984 think that in two seasons, they'd end up with the #2 pick in the draft in 1986?  Did a middle of the road Utah team expect that they'd be giving up the rights to Magic Johnson in 1976 when it added Gail Goodrich?  Things can change remarkably quickly year to year, let alone six years out.

(That 1979 Utah team was crazy.  They had prime Truck Robinson and Spencer Haywood each averaging 24+ points per game.  Maravich was averaging almost 23.  Goodrich was fading at age 35, but still had something left in the tank.  And role players Rich Kelley and Jim McElroy were put up good numbers on good efficiency.  And yet, they finished dead last.  Why?  Because their stars got hurt, with each of their three leading scorers missing 33+ games.)
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