If you had to win an NBA game....

[todd_days_41]

I might go TL if either Tatum or Brown were better handing the designed defenses played against them. Teams can blitz either guy and neutralize one almost every time down. Kind of need both right now to limit the effect and put defense into a disadvantage.

Probably the best argument I've seen for Tatum + Brown at this point.

[Vermont Green]

This is my team player importance/impact ranking (total opinion of course)

Tatum
Brown
Smart
RWill
White
Horford
GWill
Pritchard
Theis (likely to move up once he reacclimates)
Nesmith
Hauser
Thompson
Lucky

Did I miss anyone?  I am sure there will be debate particularly regarding Smart and RWill, but I view Smart as clearly more impactful.

I generally agree with this.  But who’s Thompson?  Did you mean Brodric Thomas?  Or did you pop Tristan Thompson as last year’s big who’s come back for round 2, instead of Luke Kornet?  Either go in the bottom spot.

Yes, missed Kornet and meant Thomas
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Thanks

[ausbacker]

Tatum and Williams only because they offer positional versatility and flexibility, Tatum makes Brown redundant.

[ozgod]

I raised the question recently.... is RWII our most essential player? The thought stems from this:

Williams has become arguably the most intimidating defender in the NBA (Rudy Gobert would object, prolly Giannis too, but bear with me). He anchors what has been the NBA's best defense of late. Opposing teams fear him, and adjust their offense when he's on the floor.

Tatum and Brown are excellent players, yet to an extent are switchable if not interchangeable. Both wings. Both volume scorers capable of putting up 35 in any given night, even when defensive focus on them.

So if you needed a win, would you rather have Williams than one of those two? Would you forego the defense of Williams to have both Brown and Tatum, even though only one of them can score at a time?

Forget stats and rankings. When it comes to actually winning, personally, I challenge the notion that Rob's a tier below our "two stars".

Interested to see how folks vote.

I feel like he's a multiplicative player - he amplifies those he plays with and makes them much better, more so than if he was a headliner you had to rely on. The type of player that if you added him to a solid team he would cause the whole to be worth much more than the sum of his specific part (if that makes sense).

For that reason I feel he would be less effective as part of a pair, he needs others around him to really thrive...but when he has those he can really add to winning. I know you said to ignore stats, and they're only one (quantifiable) way to assess a player, but Timelord has the highest win share of any Celtic based on Basketball-Reference.com at 7.1, followed by JT at 6.4. He also has the 2nd highest VORP at 2.4, behind Tatum with 3.



On another note, we've had 23 players on our roster already this season...that must be some kind of record...

[Kiorrik]

In a world where we could clone humans.

I think Tatum and Brown would school Tatum and Williams.

[liam]

I raised the question recently.... is RWII our most essential player? The thought stems from this:

Williams has become arguably the most intimidating defender in the NBA (Rudy Gobert would object, prolly Giannis too, but bear with me). He anchors what has been the NBA's best defense of late. Opposing teams fear him, and adjust their offense when he's on the floor.

Tatum and Brown are excellent players, yet to an extent are switchable if not interchangeable. Both wings. Both volume scorers capable of putting up 35 in any given night, even when defensive focus on them.

So if you needed a win, would you rather have Williams than one of those two? Would you forego the defense of Williams to have both Brown and Tatum, even though only one of them can score at a time?

Forget stats and rankings. When it comes to actually winning, personally, I challenge the notion that Rob's a tier below our "two stars".

Interested to see how folks vote.

I feel like he's a multiplicative player - he amplifies those he plays with and makes them much better, more so than if he was a headliner you had to rely on. The type of player that if you added him to a solid team he would cause the whole to be worth much more than the sum of his specific part (if that makes sense).

For that reason I feel he would be less effective as part of a pair, he needs others around him to really thrive...but when he has those he can really add to winning. I know you said to ignore stats, and they're only one (quantifiable) way to assess a player, but Timelord has the highest win share of any Celtic based on Basketball-Reference.com at 7.1, followed by JT at 6.4. He also has the 2nd highest VORP at 2.4, behind Tatum with 3.



On another note, we've had 23 players on our roster already this season...that must be some kind of record...

I'm surprised not to see my name on there...

[ozgod]

I raised the question recently.... is RWII our most essential player? The thought stems from this:

Williams has become arguably the most intimidating defender in the NBA (Rudy Gobert would object, prolly Giannis too, but bear with me). He anchors what has been the NBA's best defense of late. Opposing teams fear him, and adjust their offense when he's on the floor.

Tatum and Brown are excellent players, yet to an extent are switchable if not interchangeable. Both wings. Both volume scorers capable of putting up 35 in any given night, even when defensive focus on them.

So if you needed a win, would you rather have Williams than one of those two? Would you forego the defense of Williams to have both Brown and Tatum, even though only one of them can score at a time?

Forget stats and rankings. When it comes to actually winning, personally, I challenge the notion that Rob's a tier below our "two stars".

Interested to see how folks vote.

I feel like he's a multiplicative player - he amplifies those he plays with and makes them much better, more so than if he was a headliner you had to rely on. The type of player that if you added him to a solid team he would cause the whole to be worth much more than the sum of his specific part (if that makes sense).

For that reason I feel he would be less effective as part of a pair, he needs others around him to really thrive...but when he has those he can really add to winning. I know you said to ignore stats, and they're only one (quantifiable) way to assess a player, but Timelord has the highest win share of any Celtic based on Basketball-Reference.com at 7.1, followed by JT at 6.4. He also has the 2nd highest VORP at 2.4, behind Tatum with 3.



On another note, we've had 23 players on our roster already this season...that must be some kind of record...

I'm surprised not to see my name on there...

We bleed for this team every time they play, we should be on there [dang it] 

[liam]

I raised the question recently.... is RWII our most essential player? The thought stems from this:

Williams has become arguably the most intimidating defender in the NBA (Rudy Gobert would object, prolly Giannis too, but bear with me). He anchors what has been the NBA's best defense of late. Opposing teams fear him, and adjust their offense when he's on the floor.

Tatum and Brown are excellent players, yet to an extent are switchable if not interchangeable. Both wings. Both volume scorers capable of putting up 35 in any given night, even when defensive focus on them.

So if you needed a win, would you rather have Williams than one of those two? Would you forego the defense of Williams to have both Brown and Tatum, even though only one of them can score at a time?

Forget stats and rankings. When it comes to actually winning, personally, I challenge the notion that Rob's a tier below our "two stars".

Interested to see how folks vote.

I feel like he's a multiplicative player - he amplifies those he plays with and makes them much better, more so than if he was a headliner you had to rely on. The type of player that if you added him to a solid team he would cause the whole to be worth much more than the sum of his specific part (if that makes sense).

For that reason I feel he would be less effective as part of a pair, he needs others around him to really thrive...but when he has those he can really add to winning. I know you said to ignore stats, and they're only one (quantifiable) way to assess a player, but Timelord has the highest win share of any Celtic based on Basketball-Reference.com at 7.1, followed by JT at 6.4. He also has the 2nd highest VORP at 2.4, behind Tatum with 3.



On another note, we've had 23 players on our roster already this season...that must be some kind of record...

I'm surprised not to see my name on there...

We bleed for this team every time they play, we should be on there [dang it] 

I can shoot.

[todd_days_41]

In a world where we could clone humans.

I think Tatum and Brown would school Tatum and Williams.

Missing the point here -- lemme rephrase:

Celtics are tied 3-3 with, say, the Bucks in the EC finals. Every player on the both teams are healthy.

Last minute, one Cs player comes down with COVID (i'm going to just remove Tatum no one is choosing Brown over him).

Which one would you rather be out? Would you rather have Williams or Brown with Tatum in a must win game?



 

[nickagneta]

In a world where we could clone humans.

I think Tatum and Brown would school Tatum and Williams.

Missing the point here -- lemme rephrase:

Celtics are tied 3-3 with, say, the Bucks in the EC finals. Every player on the both teams are healthy.

Last minute, one Cs player comes down with COVID (i'm going to just remove Tatum no one is choosing Brown over him).

Which one would you rather be out? Would you rather have Williams or Brown with Tatum in a must win game?

Brown.

You can get 80-90% of what Williams brings in a normal replacement center. You can't get 80-90% of what Brown brings in a normal replacement wing.

Even moreso in the playoffs where Brown has proven time and again that he raises his game at that time of year.

[Donoghus]

In a world where we could clone humans.

I think Tatum and Brown would school Tatum and Williams.

Missing the point here -- lemme rephrase:

Celtics are tied 3-3 with, say, the Bucks in the EC finals. Every player on the both teams are healthy.

Last minute, one Cs player comes down with COVID (i'm going to just remove Tatum no one is choosing Brown over him).

Which one would you rather be out? Would you rather have Williams or Brown with Tatum in a must win game?

Brown. 

Not even a question.

[todd_days_41]

You can get 80-90% of what Williams brings in a normal replacement center. 

A ridiculous statement, in my opinion.

[gouki88]

They’re all important to making our team go.  For one game, though, I’d hope that Horford / Theis could hold the fort down.

I think Smart cs. Timelord is more interesting, particularly now that we have White.

Timelord is definitely more important than Smart now.

[gouki88]

You can get 80-90% of what Williams brings in a normal replacement center. 

A ridiculous statement, in my opinion.

I agree. What replacement centres out there can give strong rebounding & defence (as opposed to elite), passable playmaking (as opposed to decent) and elite efficiency (as opposed to all-time)?

[todd_days_41]

I love that someone got on the board with a "Brown and Williams" vote.... good for you (whoever it is)!!