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What grade u give Celtics after today trades??

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Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #210 on: March 15, 2022, 02:54:13 PM »

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Lots of hand wringing and griping about losing Richardson but there is every chance this year is a major outlier for Richardson and he returns to being what he was during the 187 games(3 seasons) he played before this season.

And that guy has shooting splits of 42.2/34.5/85.6 with a TS% of 53.6%.

If Derrick White returns to the player he was the last 3 years before this one because this year is an outlier, he has shooting splits of 45.2/35.1/83 with a TS% of 56.8%

Let's not be in such a hurry to assume that the 2 players are going to continue to have the years they are this year. Next year they both could revert back to the players they were previously for many years.

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« Reply #211 on: March 15, 2022, 03:55:43 PM »

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Scorer, shooter, hard to compare as everyone has their own definition of what these mean.  Looking at last season (2020-21):

Scoring:
White              15.4 pts in 30 min
Richardson      12.1 pts in 30 min

Shooting
White            41%/35%/85%
Richardson    43%/33%/91%

Not much difference really.  White got to the line more (3.2 vs 1.8 FTA).  Rebs and assists pretty equal.

I am starting to think that this trade was really White for Langford and a pick but then the Celtics wanted to dump salary to stay under the tax and didn't see a need for Richardson so they used the pick swap to get the Spurs to take on Richardson.  Richardson can be traded in the offseason easily enough.    I guess they don't really have a need for Richardson, certainly not worth paying tax for him but he is a useful player.  Unfortunate if the Celtics really did just dump him.  Dallas has the salary space to just kind of "store" Richardson and then trade him for what they can get in the offseason.  I doubt he is in their plans either.

It is a strange trade.  More just repositioning than a trade that really improves your team.  Let's hope White starts hitting his 3s in the 34%-35% range as he has for most of his career and maybe it will turn out to be an upgrade.  The picks (low 20s this year and maybe worse), Langford, Richardson, none are big losses so even if White doesn't pan out, not a lot of risk in this trade.  And chances are that White will start to shoot better than 26% from 3.

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« Reply #212 on: March 15, 2022, 04:14:36 PM »

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I am starting to think that this trade was really White for Langford and a pick but then the Celtics wanted to dump salary to stay under the tax and didn't see a need for Richardson so they used the pick swap to get the Spurs to take on Richardson.

I don’t think this is right.  Richardson had positive value.


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« Reply #213 on: March 15, 2022, 04:52:52 PM »

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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
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« Reply #214 on: March 15, 2022, 04:57:27 PM »

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White reminds me of Fournier. In that he is underperforming and it looks like due to team fit. At least he has defense to fall back on.

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« Reply #215 on: March 15, 2022, 05:04:20 PM »

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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
Makes it all the more an indictment on Richardson's inability to assert himself then, as White outscores him per possession quite comfortably, while also generating significantly more points for others and free throws.
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« Reply #216 on: March 15, 2022, 05:04:30 PM »

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I am starting to think that this trade was really White for Langford and a pick but then the Celtics wanted to dump salary to stay under the tax and didn't see a need for Richardson so they used the pick swap to get the Spurs to take on Richardson.

I don’t think this is right.  Richardson had positive value.

Seriously. Short term memory loss aside, Richardson played his role [dang] nicely while he was here. It’s frankly difficult to say he was a liability in any area of the game, which is harder to say about his replacement.

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« Reply #217 on: March 15, 2022, 11:04:05 PM »

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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
Makes it all the more an indictment on Richardson's inability to assert himself then, as White outscores him per possession quite comfortably, while also generating significantly more points for others and free throws.
inability?  this would mean he tried and could not do so.   watching how everyone other than Schroder and Smart (sometimes) deferred to the J's on offense, I wouldn't say he had an inability to do so but rather a direction/mentality from the coaching staff as a more likely explanation.  still see that with the team post trade.  difference is Richardson could put the ball in the bucket whereas White is struggling to do so.

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« Reply #218 on: March 15, 2022, 11:14:05 PM »

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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
Makes it all the more an indictment on Richardson's inability to assert himself then, as White outscores him per possession quite comfortably, while also generating significantly more points for others and free throws.
inability?  this would mean he tried and could not do so.   watching how everyone other than Schroder and Smart (sometimes) deferred to the J's on offense, I wouldn't say he had an inability to do so but rather a direction/mentality from the coaching staff as a more likely explanation.  still see that with the team post trade.  difference is Richardson could put the ball in the bucket whereas White is struggling to do so.
White is averaging 11.7 PPG for the Celtics. Richardson averaged 9.7 PPG. White isn't struggling to score, he simply isn't as efficient as he normally is. 

If White was hitting shots at his normal efficiency, he would be scoring even more PPG and would shown to be the much better scorer by far.

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« Reply #219 on: March 15, 2022, 11:19:33 PM »

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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
Makes it all the more an indictment on Richardson's inability to assert himself then, as White outscores him per possession quite comfortably, while also generating significantly more points for others and free throws.
inability?  this would mean he tried and could not do so.   watching how everyone other than Schroder and Smart (sometimes) deferred to the J's on offense, I wouldn't say he had an inability to do so but rather a direction/mentality from the coaching staff as a more likely explanation.  still see that with the team post trade.  difference is Richardson could put the ball in the bucket whereas White is struggling to do so.
White is averaging 11.7 PPG for the Celtics. Richardson averaged 9.7 PPG. White isn't struggling to score, he simply isn't as efficient as he normally is. 

If White was hitting shots at his normal efficiency, he would be scoring even more PPG and would shown to be the much better scorer by far.
Isn't White at 10.7 ppg?  So 1 more ppg, but 1.5 more FGA per game.  White by having the ball in his hand more shot more, but has been far less efficient at scoring than Richardson was in Boston. 
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« Reply #220 on: March 15, 2022, 11:35:59 PM »

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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
Makes it all the more an indictment on Richardson's inability to assert himself then, as White outscores him per possession quite comfortably, while also generating significantly more points for others and free throws.
inability?  this would mean he tried and could not do so.   watching how everyone other than Schroder and Smart (sometimes) deferred to the J's on offense, I wouldn't say he had an inability to do so but rather a direction/mentality from the coaching staff as a more likely explanation.  still see that with the team post trade.  difference is Richardson could put the ball in the bucket whereas White is struggling to do so.
White is averaging 11.7 PPG for the Celtics. Richardson averaged 9.7 PPG. White isn't struggling to score, he simply isn't as efficient as he normally is. 

If White was hitting shots at his normal efficiency, he would be scoring even more PPG and would shown to be the much better scorer by far.
Isn't White at 10.7 ppg?  So 1 more ppg, but 1.5 more FGA per game.  White by having the ball in his hand more shot more, but has been far less efficient at scoring than Richardson was in Boston.
Typo...my bad.

But he is still scoring more. He isn't struggling to score. He is struggling to be efficient. He is also having 2.9 assists per game rather than 1.5 APG of Richardson. So he is also responsible for at least 2.8 PPG more than Richardson in that way.

If White was hitting at his career averages he is scoring at least a point more per game, though not more than 1.5. So as can be seen, his lack of efficiency is only hurting the Celtics by a point or so, but overall he is still contributing more than 3.8 PPG to the Celtics than Richardson did, even at his lesser efficiency. And if his normal efficiency returns, then even more than 3.8.

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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
Makes it all the more an indictment on Richardson's inability to assert himself then, as White outscores him per possession quite comfortably, while also generating significantly more points for others and free throws.
inability?  this would mean he tried and could not do so.   watching how everyone other than Schroder and Smart (sometimes) deferred to the J's on offense, I wouldn't say he had an inability to do so but rather a direction/mentality from the coaching staff as a more likely explanation.  still see that with the team post trade.  difference is Richardson could put the ball in the bucket whereas White is struggling to do so.
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If he makes 1 more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 21/57 (37%).

I hate arguments like this in general.  While this is true, if he misses one more 3 pointer every other game in those 13 games he's 7/57 (12%).

I don't think hypotheticals that didn't happen tell us a lot.

I agree, hence me saying the sample size is too small and good or bad games wildly swing the averages in the same paragraph.

48 games in SA this year and he wasn’t much better at 30%. Outside of his rookie season when he barely played, White has only had 1 year shooting over 35% from 3pt, which was during the 2019 season. Not sure why people are convinced that he’s going to start shooting better.
I don't understand that either.  he's not a proven outside shooter having a down year -- he's a player that has yet to show he's a reliable outside shooter.  A better ball handler and passer than Richardson -- sure, I'll go along with that.  A better shooter - nope.  A better scorer -- nope.  better for our offense -- not seeing it --> seems to be about equivalent in the sense where Richardson was a better scorer whereas White is a better passer and provides a secondary ball handler with Smart but until White can make something with consistency (even Smart is pretty consistent from in the lane and within 15 feet which White has not shown yet) he's not improving this team's offense.  Defensively, he's switchable but so was Richardson and he wasn't a slouch on D.

Can you explain what you mean by "better scorer"?

I'll agree with better shooter.  But, White seems to be more of a scorer to me, whereas Richardson seemed more passive.
by better scorer, I'm referring to the ability to put the ball in the basket while on the move -- driving into the paint, driving and pulling up for an easy 2, etc...   by shooter, I'm referring to the ability to hit shots from 3 and catch-and-shoot situations from wherever on the floor.

Exactly, Richardson was making 3’s at a high clip, had a midrange shot and could score by driving to the rim. White can’t score outside of the paint. His midrange shooting is as bad as his 3pt.
Makes it all the more an indictment on Richardson's inability to assert himself then, as White outscores him per possession quite comfortably, while also generating significantly more points for others and free throws.
inability?  this would mean he tried and could not do so.   watching how everyone other than Schroder and Smart (sometimes) deferred to the J's on offense, I wouldn't say he had an inability to do so but rather a direction/mentality from the coaching staff as a more likely explanation.  still see that with the team post trade.  difference is Richardson could put the ball in the bucket whereas White is struggling to do so.
White is averaging 11.7 PPG for the Celtics. Richardson averaged 9.7 PPG. White isn't struggling to score, he simply isn't as efficient as he normally is. 

If White was hitting shots at his normal efficiency, he would be scoring even more PPG and would shown to be the much better scorer by far.
Isn't White at 10.7 ppg?  So 1 more ppg, but 1.5 more FGA per game.  White by having the ball in his hand more shot more, but has been far less efficient at scoring than Richardson was in Boston.
Typo...my bad.

But he is still scoring more. He isn't struggling to score. He is struggling to be efficient. He is also having 2.9 assists per game rather than 1.5 APG of Richardson. So he is also responsible for at least 2.8 PPG more than Richardson in that way.

If White was hitting at his career averages he is scoring at least a point more per game, though not more than 1.5. So as can be seen, his lack of efficiency is only hurting the Celtics by a point or so, but overall he is still contributing more than 3.8 PPG to the Celtics than Richardson did, even at his lesser efficiency. And if his normal efficiency returns, then even more than 3.8.
Sure, but he is also taking on some of the Schroder role as well (not necessarily in minutes but function on the team).  He has underperformed given the larger role he has had.
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Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #223 on: March 16, 2022, 08:42:58 AM »

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I am starting to think that this trade was really White for Langford and a pick but then the Celtics wanted to dump salary to stay under the tax and didn't see a need for Richardson so they used the pick swap to get the Spurs to take on Richardson.

I don’t think this is right.  Richardson had positive value.

I definitely thought he was just salary filler to stay under the cap. With the TPE, we had enough space to take White on outright and give SAS a nice sizable TPE while lowering salary obligations in the process. Richardson is a nice player and it would be nice to still have him on the Cs, but he seems like somebody that will always be a net-neutral due to his mid-salary. Maybe we'll get him back this offseason for nothing.

Re: Celtics trade grades?
« Reply #224 on: March 16, 2022, 08:56:01 AM »

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I am starting to think that this trade was really White for Langford and a pick but then the Celtics wanted to dump salary to stay under the tax and didn't see a need for Richardson so they used the pick swap to get the Spurs to take on Richardson.

I don’t think this is right.  Richardson had positive value.

I definitely thought he was just salary filler to stay under the cap. With the TPE, we had enough space to take White on outright and give SAS a nice sizable TPE while lowering salary obligations in the process. Richardson is a nice player and it would be nice to still have him on the Cs, but he seems like somebody that will always be a net-neutral due to his mid-salary. Maybe we'll get him back this offseason for nothing.

I can buy that he had neutral value, like he did last off-season.

But, I don't think that the cost of dumping him 2027 swap rights.  Dumping a modest salary for a couple of seasons is not worth the risk of potentially giving up the #2 pick in the draft in 2027.



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