Idea: Smart, J Rich, Schroder, Firsts for Simmons

[KG Living Legend]

 Final offer when Philly doesn't get Harden at the deadline.  I want to hear from you guys if the three celtics mentioned would really get the 76ers a ring this year with Embiid in termernater mode.

Embiid, Drummond
Harris, Niang
Thybulle, Richardson, D Green
Curry, Smart, Korkamatz
Maxey, Scroder

That's a crazy deep versatile team.

Celtics

Timelord
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Simmons

[Alleyoopster]

I don't think it does much for Boston. Philly already doesn't play Simmons. He's a head case. Why ask for trouble.

[droopdog7]

Philly laughs at the offer.  And what does “firsts” mean anyway?

[KG Living Legend]

Philly laughs at the offer.  And what does “firsts” mean anyway?

 Two future firsts

[michigan adam]

If the first are not coming to boston then I'm not interested.  I'm sure philly with their massively bloated since of simmons worth wouldn't do it, but I think it is a massive overpay if the first are goingto philly.  Simmons is not drastically better than smart to be honest.  He is taller, and drives to basket more, but shoots worse than smart.  Even if the defense is considered a wash, how much is 3 pts, 3 rebounds, and 1.5 assist difference really worth.  Certainly not 2 players and 2 picks.

[ozgod]

With the caveat that I have no familiarity with his situation and can only judge based on news reports that I see, I'm a little wary of Simmons' mental issues. No issue whatsoever with his talent. I don't know if he has the drive in him to continue to improve. He basically hasn't improved in 5 years. Look at the comparison to his peers who were picked in the same draft (I picked their 5th year as a comparison since Simmons has refused to play this year):



Simmons strikes me as the type of player that chooses when he wants to play well. And when he does he's a fantastic facilitator and defender that would improve any team. But he can be, in the words of his fellow Aussies, a "sook" when he's not feeling up to it. Maybe a shrink can help him and unlock his potential but after 5 years I think he may have a lot to do with his lack of improvement. For those reasons I don't think trading for Simmons is wise, talent or otherwise, because he's willing to sit out an entire season if he doesn't get his way and what's to say that won't eventually happen to Boston?

Still, his talent will mean there's always going to be a market for his services, and peak Simmons is a great addition to any team. I think if Boston was assured of getting peak Simmons they would seriously consider it, even though I personally think it's an overpay.

As for Philly, they would basically be adding Smart, JRich and Denis to their team for no loss since Simmons is "sooking" right now so it would have to be a win, but Morey can be very obstinate and none of those players are All Stars so he will probably walk away and hold out for an even better offer from an even more desperate team.

[Birdman]

Just don’t see Simmons as a great fit along side Tatum & Brown

[moiso]

This is pretty much the exact opposite kind of trade from what Philly is supposedly looking for.  They are looking for one star to pair with Embiid, not a bunch of random odds and ends.  And they are looking to win now, not collect draft picks for the future.

[Vermont Green]

This is pretty much the exact opposite kind of trade from what Philly is supposedly looking for.  They are looking for one star to pair with Embiid, not a bunch of random odds and ends.  And they are looking to win now, not collect draft picks for the future.

This is my take also.  Philly gets 3 bench players for Simmons.  They view Simmons' value as much higher than this.  They picture Harden or Lillard.  I know the premise is that we can sneak in and do this after those deals all fall through but Philly will just keep Simmons.

From our point of view, this doesn't make sense either.  Simmons is a head case and is a huge risk for whatever team takes him on.  We don't need that right now.

[Moranis]

Perhaps you expand the trade to include Atlanta

Atlanta - Smart, Richardson, 22 BOS
Philly - Collins, Hunter, Schroder, 24 BOS (top 4)
Boston - Simmons

Not sure Philly or Atlanta would do it, but I do think that is reasonable value for both of them depending on how Philly views Collins and his ability to play in between Embiid and Harris.  Boston could probably add in a young player or two to get it done if needed.

[Vermont Green]

Perhaps you expand the trade to include Atlanta

Atlanta - Smart, Richardson, 22 BOS
Philly - Collins, Hunter, Schroder, 24 BOS (top 4)
Boston - Simmons

Not sure Philly or Atlanta would do it, but I do think that is reasonable value for both of them depending on how Philly views Collins and his ability to play in between Embiid and Harris.  Boston could probably add in a young player or two to get it done if needed.

Interesting idea, and reasonably balanced value but I think I would rather have Collins, Hunter, Schroder, and a Pick than Simmons.  Simmons is a head case who has not played competitive basketball in a year.  He is a huge risk.  He might come back from this all at peace with the game and be better than ever or he might never be the same.  You just don't know.  It is a huge risk.  I think BKN is a better place for him.  Durant can take him under his wing.

There was a point in time where I thought getting Simmons to run with Tatum and Brown would be great (I would slot him as a PF though, not PG).  I am so over that now.

[Moranis]

Perhaps you expand the trade to include Atlanta

Atlanta - Smart, Richardson, 22 BOS
Philly - Collins, Hunter, Schroder, 24 BOS (top 4)
Boston - Simmons

Not sure Philly or Atlanta would do it, but I do think that is reasonable value for both of them depending on how Philly views Collins and his ability to play in between Embiid and Harris.  Boston could probably add in a young player or two to get it done if needed.

Interesting idea, and reasonably balanced value but I think I would rather have Collins, Hunter, Schroder, and a Pick than Simmons.  Simmons is a head case who has not played competitive basketball in a year.  He is a huge risk.  He might come back from this all at peace with the game and be better than ever or he might never be the same.  You just don't know.  It is a huge risk.  I think BKN is a better place for him.  Durant can take him under his wing.

There was a point in time where I thought getting Simmons to run with Tatum and Brown would be great (I would slot him as a PF though, not PG).  I am so over that now.

Collins is definitely more of a known quantity than Simmons, but I'm not sure how well he'd fit with Rob and Simmons has a MUCH higher ceiling that if Simmons figures out, Boston would actually be able to compete for a title with a top 3 of Tatum, Brown, Simmons.  Unless Tatum is winning MVP's, I don't think a top 3 of Tatum, Brown, and Collins is a surefire multi-year contender, certainly not the way they could be with Simmons.

[Csfan1984]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

[slamtheking]

no interest in Simmons at all.  shooting issues are substantial.  commitment to playing and winning are also highly questionable.  trade would make our current short 8-man rotation and even shorter 6-man rotation and require PP to be our primary backup PG when he hasn't shown he's up to that so far this year.

[slamtheking]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

not as bad as the original proposal but still hate bringing in Simmons in his current state.

also, with that roster, I'd seriously consider putting Romeo in the starting lineup instead of Schroder.  Romeo's able to defend either guard position, able to drive and finish (which would likely improve with Simmons' passing ability) and gives a pretty good-sized lineup.  bring Schroder in as the primary back up PG instead of PP.  Next year, see if PP bounces back enough to be the back up PG in training camp.  of course this likely kills the current chemistry and we'd have to hope the team can rebuild it in time for the playoffs.