Idea: Smart, J Rich, Schroder, Firsts for Simmons

[Vermont Green]

Perhaps you expand the trade to include Atlanta

Atlanta - Smart, Richardson, 22 BOS
Philly - Collins, Hunter, Schroder, 24 BOS (top 4)
Boston - Simmons

Not sure Philly or Atlanta would do it, but I do think that is reasonable value for both of them depending on how Philly views Collins and his ability to play in between Embiid and Harris.  Boston could probably add in a young player or two to get it done if needed.

Interesting idea, and reasonably balanced value but I think I would rather have Collins, Hunter, Schroder, and a Pick than Simmons.  Simmons is a head case who has not played competitive basketball in a year.  He is a huge risk.  He might come back from this all at peace with the game and be better than ever or he might never be the same.  You just don't know.  It is a huge risk.  I think BKN is a better place for him.  Durant can take him under his wing.

There was a point in time where I thought getting Simmons to run with Tatum and Brown would be great (I would slot him as a PF though, not PG).  I am so over that now.

Collins is definitely more of a known quantity than Simmons, but I'm not sure how well he'd fit with Rob and Simmons has a MUCH higher ceiling that if Simmons figures out, Boston would actually be able to compete for a title with a top 3 of Tatum, Brown, Simmons.  Unless Tatum is winning MVP's, I don't think a top 3 of Tatum, Brown, and Collins is a surefire multi-year contender, certainly not the way they could be with Simmons.

I am not worried about the fit of Collins and Williams.  I actually think they would be fine, Williams more the picker, defender, Collins more the perimeter, but I would expect Ime and the players to figure it out and make minor adjustments if needed.  Collins is a highly skilled big, exactly what we need, to me, a near perfect fit.

Yeah, I get the allure of Simmons.  As I said, I was really high on him.  The way he moves, the way he sees the court, at his size, a rare talent.  Too much risk now for my appetite at least when giving up the players that it would likely take to get him.  BKN is not the team where star head cases seem to go.  They can have him.  I'll take Collins and take my chances.

[Rosco917]

I think the ship has sailed, it'll be Harden to 76ers and Simmons to Brooklyn. Honestly, that deal spells finals for Philly to me.

[Csfan1984]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

not as bad as the original proposal but still hate bringing in Simmons in his current state.

also, with that roster, I'd seriously consider putting Romeo in the starting lineup instead of Schroder.  Romeo's able to defend either guard position, able to drive and finish (which would likely improve with Simmons' passing ability) and gives a pretty good-sized lineup.  bring Schroder in as the primary back up PG instead of PP.  Next year, see if PP bounces back enough to be the back up PG in training camp.  of course this likely kills the current chemistry and we'd have to hope the team can rebuild it in time for the playoffs.

You're right Langford is better. Also keeps up the high defense and switching

[timpiker]

If Smart doesn't retire as a Celtic it will be a crime. 

[showtime]

Perhaps you expand the trade to include Atlanta

Atlanta - Smart, Richardson, 22 BOS
Philly - Collins, Hunter, Schroder, 24 BOS (top 4)
Boston - Simmons

Not sure Philly or Atlanta would do it, but I do think that is reasonable value for both of them depending on how Philly views Collins and his ability to play in between Embiid and Harris.  Boston could probably add in a young player or two to get it done if needed.

Good trade for Boston and the Sixers, terrible trade for the Hawks!

[slamtheking]

Perhaps you expand the trade to include Atlanta

Atlanta - Smart, Richardson, 22 BOS
Philly - Collins, Hunter, Schroder, 24 BOS (top 4)
Boston - Simmons

Not sure Philly or Atlanta would do it, but I do think that is reasonable value for both of them depending on how Philly views Collins and his ability to play in between Embiid and Harris.  Boston could probably add in a young player or two to get it done if needed.

Good trade for Boston and the Sixers, terrible trade for the Hawks!

horrible trade for Boston.  3 rotation players and 2 firsts for a guy that can/will not shoot so we're now down from a highly-functional 8-man rotation to an unproven 6-man rotation.  that, and the one guy being moved in this deal that I would want is going to Philly.

[michigan adam]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

Why do we entertain the thought that Simmons is worth that. He just isn't. Philly wants him to be, but smart almost has the same stats with better shooting g if you can bieve that. Just no. I would not give them more than smart and Nesmith with no picks.

[todd_days_41]

I can't wait to stop hearing about Ben Simmons.

I will say Brooklyn might be the best possible place for him, so I hope he's not traded there.... rewarding his pathetic behavior.

[Csfan1984]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

Why do we entertain the thought that Simmons is worth that. He just isn't. Philly wants him to be, but smart almost has the same stats with better shooting g if you can bieve that. Just no. I would not give them more than smart and Nesmith with no picks.

I clearly disagree. Simmons is a great playmaker and defender. Add in size, rebounding and ability to play 1-5 and he has a lot of value (even if he lacks shooting ability). Think of how well the team currently uses Al and TL and they don't shoot well just inside plays and dunks this year. Simmons is an upgrade and a former All star. That is costing more than Smart and Nesmith. There isn't a GM that would take that deal if they had Simmons.

[michigan adam]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

Why do we entertain the thought that Simmons is worth that. He just isn't. Philly wants him to be, but smart almost has the same stats with better shooting g if you can bieve that. Just no. I would not give them more than smart and Nesmith with no picks.

I clearly disagree. Simmons is a great playmaker and defender. Add in size, rebounding and ability to play 1-5 and he has a lot of value (even if he lacks shooting ability). Think of how well the team currently uses Al and TL and they don't shoot well just inside plays and dunks this year. Simmons is an upgrade and a former All star. That is costing more than Smart and Nesmith. There isn't a GM that would take that deal if they had Simmons.

3 points, 3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists.  Comparable defense.  Heart of the team versus won't shoot in the 4th and won't play because someone called him out on it.  A whiner.  20% less on FT percentage.  Yes he shoots 15% better from 2, but 15% worse from 3.  Given the attitude and lack of "heart", It is a toss up.  Philly is insane.

[Csfan1984]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

Why do we entertain the thought that Simmons is worth that. He just isn't. Philly wants him to be, but smart almost has the same stats with better shooting g if you can bieve that. Just no. I would not give them more than smart and Nesmith with no picks.

I clearly disagree. Simmons is a great playmaker and defender. Add in size, rebounding and ability to play 1-5 and he has a lot of value (even if he lacks shooting ability). Think of how well the team currently uses Al and TL and they don't shoot well just inside plays and dunks this year. Simmons is an upgrade and a former All star. That is costing more than Smart and Nesmith. There isn't a GM that would take that deal if they had Simmons.

3 points, 3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists.  Comparable defense.  Heart of the team versus won't shoot in the 4th and won't play because someone called him out on it.  A whiner.  20% less on FT percentage.  Yes he shoots 15% better from 2, but 15% worse from 3.  Given the attitude and lack of "heart", It is a toss up.  Philly is insane.

Please with the heart of the team stuff. People said that about Crowder and Al. Smart is overrated

[michigan adam]

76ers would still want Harden for sure over a C's package. But maybe Nets dont want Simmons prefering a three way with C's to land more depth to play with Irving and KD. Smart gets along with Irving. KD and Al have a mutual respect. So...

Nets out= Harden, Johnson, Carter
Nets In= Smart, Josh, Al and two first (from C's)

76ers out=Simmons, Kork
76ers in= Harden

C's out= Smart, Josh, AL and two first
C's in= Simmons, Kork, Johnson, Carter

C's go/have top 9 of
Schro, JB, JT, Simmons, TL
PP, Kork, Johnson, Grant.

Why do we entertain the thought that Simmons is worth that. He just isn't. Philly wants him to be, but smart almost has the same stats with better shooting g if you can bieve that. Just no. I would not give them more than smart and Nesmith with no picks.

I clearly disagree. Simmons is a great playmaker and defender. Add in size, rebounding and ability to play 1-5 and he has a lot of value (even if he lacks shooting ability). Think of how well the team currently uses Al and TL and they don't shoot well just inside plays and dunks this year. Simmons is an upgrade and a former All star. That is costing more than Smart and Nesmith. There isn't a GM that would take that deal if they had Simmons.

His value was pretty low apparently as they had to send curry and 2 first to brooklyn to get harden.