Grant Williams on the trade block

[nickagneta]

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-the-reason-celtics-are-balking-at-bucks-dennis-schroder-trade-demands/

The Bucks apparently want him as part of an expanded Schroder-Divincenzo deal.

Interesting development.  I can see MIL wanting GWill, he wouldn't play much there, but he might come off the bench and hit a big 3 for them.  It is tough for the Celtics to trade GWill, not because he is so great, but because the "next man up", Bruno Fernando, is even worse.  If MIL wants a bench PF, they can have Bruno, he can sit next to Semi on the bench.

I think GWill and Bruno are two different players.  GWill was drafted and is expected to be an outside, 3PT guy, Bruno is not that guy. 

No one is going to say this about GWill:  Bruno is big, strong and lean with an NBA ready body. At the Combine, he measured 6’10.25 (with shoes) with a wing span of 7’3.25. He weighed in at 237 pounds with a body fat of 5.4%. He possesses a relatively rare combination of size, length and athleticism.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/5/30/18640565/bruno-fernando-atlanta-hawks-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-maryland

If it's Dennis, GWill for Donte, there has to be a pick or another player (cheap) coming back too.

No one will say this about Bruno: He is a rotation player. Great measurements don't equal good player. Bruno is not a good player.

Agreed, and Grant IS big, strong and lean (recently) and with an NBA ready body.  He's one of the stronger players in the entire NBA.  I recall he came out #1 in some strength measure, perhaps dead-lift.

No way GWill dunks like Bruno did last night.  The two measurables are not comparable.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841060-bruno-fernandos-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-analysis-of-the-76ers-pick

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841080-grant-williams-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-analysis-of-celtics-pick

Who cares if Grant can't dunk like Bruno? There is SOOOOOO much more to basketball than dunking, and Grant is better at virtually every other of those things than Bruno.

You're so correct, read the report, there is so much difference between them.

Examples:

"Fernando will look to follow in Montrezl Harrell's footsteps by becoming one of the game's top energizers. He has the chance to be a force inside who can outmuscle opponents and play through them for dunks and putbacks. Fernando also operates with passion and motor, which will play to his identity."

vs

"Williams has clear limitations that suggest his ceiling isn't high. Some scouts are wary about whether his game can translate. However, he should be able to carve out a role with his defensive effectiveness and toughness. It seems reasonable to expect Williams to eventually extend his shooting range. In between, he'll make good decisions and passes and generate some offense for himself in post-up situations. There are difference between him and PJ Tucker, but Williams could be a similarly valuable role player who doesn't need to score to make an impact."

Dude, you are quoting three year old draft scouting reports. We have already seen over three years what each has developed into and what their developmental arcs are.

As I stated, Grant is the much better player and does just about everything better than Bruno. That's why Grant will be here long term playing rotational to starter minutes and Bruno will be long gone and most likely playing in Europe in the near future.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Would be an interesting 'sell high' move

[boscel33]

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-the-reason-celtics-are-balking-at-bucks-dennis-schroder-trade-demands/

The Bucks apparently want him as part of an expanded Schroder-Divincenzo deal.

Interesting development.  I can see MIL wanting GWill, he wouldn't play much there, but he might come off the bench and hit a big 3 for them.  It is tough for the Celtics to trade GWill, not because he is so great, but because the "next man up", Bruno Fernando, is even worse.  If MIL wants a bench PF, they can have Bruno, he can sit next to Semi on the bench.

I think GWill and Bruno are two different players.  GWill was drafted and is expected to be an outside, 3PT guy, Bruno is not that guy. 

No one is going to say this about GWill:  Bruno is big, strong and lean with an NBA ready body. At the Combine, he measured 6’10.25 (with shoes) with a wing span of 7’3.25. He weighed in at 237 pounds with a body fat of 5.4%. He possesses a relatively rare combination of size, length and athleticism.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/5/30/18640565/bruno-fernando-atlanta-hawks-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-maryland

If it's Dennis, GWill for Donte, there has to be a pick or another player (cheap) coming back too.

No one will say this about Bruno: He is a rotation player. Great measurements don't equal good player. Bruno is not a good player.

Agreed, and Grant IS big, strong and lean (recently) and with an NBA ready body.  He's one of the stronger players in the entire NBA.  I recall he came out #1 in some strength measure, perhaps dead-lift.

No way GWill dunks like Bruno did last night.  The two measurables are not comparable.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841060-bruno-fernandos-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-analysis-of-the-76ers-pick

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841080-grant-williams-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-analysis-of-celtics-pick

Who cares if Grant can't dunk like Bruno? There is SOOOOOO much more to basketball than dunking, and Grant is better at virtually every other of those things than Bruno.

You're so correct, read the report, there is so much difference between them.

Examples:

"Fernando will look to follow in Montrezl Harrell's footsteps by becoming one of the game's top energizers. He has the chance to be a force inside who can outmuscle opponents and play through them for dunks and putbacks. Fernando also operates with passion and motor, which will play to his identity."

vs

"Williams has clear limitations that suggest his ceiling isn't high. Some scouts are wary about whether his game can translate. However, he should be able to carve out a role with his defensive effectiveness and toughness. It seems reasonable to expect Williams to eventually extend his shooting range. In between, he'll make good decisions and passes and generate some offense for himself in post-up situations. There are difference between him and PJ Tucker, but Williams could be a similarly valuable role player who doesn't need to score to make an impact."

Dude, you are quoting three year old draft scouting reports. We have already seen over three years what each has developed into and what their developmental arcs are.

As I stated, Grant is the much better player and does just about everything better than Bruno. That's why Grant will be here long term playing rotational to starter minutes and Bruno will be long gone and most likely playing in Europe in the near future.

Dude until this year, people were calling for GWill's butt to be shipped out of town, unless you saw the 2019 draft show where they thought he was a great pick for the C's.  Most didn't care, he was sucking pond water as a player.

I think Bruno can be a legit rotation player, maybe not a starter, but I don't think GWill is a starter either and yes, I was one who defended him in the beginning when most were putting his butt on a train out of town.

https://stathead.com/tiny/rB4nb

[Celtics4ever]

Dude until this year, people were calling for GWill's butt to be shipped out of town, unless you saw the 2019 draft show where they thought he was a great pick for the C's.  Most didn't care, he was sucking pond water as a player.

He was too heavy last year and out of shape, even he admits this and saw the writing on the wall.   Taking care of your body is a big part of being a professional athlete.    You can tell a big difference and he got himself in shape because he saw the writing on the wall.   He is a different player this year.  Grant knew this and worked his tail off.   The Grant of last year was not a good player at all.   Now he is a serviceable back up.

I don't think he is on the block, but he certainly is not untouchable.    They just not going to throw him to get Donte DiVincenzo and that request is absurd.

[nickagneta]

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-trade-rumors-the-reason-celtics-are-balking-at-bucks-dennis-schroder-trade-demands/

The Bucks apparently want him as part of an expanded Schroder-Divincenzo deal.

Interesting development.  I can see MIL wanting GWill, he wouldn't play much there, but he might come off the bench and hit a big 3 for them.  It is tough for the Celtics to trade GWill, not because he is so great, but because the "next man up", Bruno Fernando, is even worse.  If MIL wants a bench PF, they can have Bruno, he can sit next to Semi on the bench.

I think GWill and Bruno are two different players.  GWill was drafted and is expected to be an outside, 3PT guy, Bruno is not that guy. 

No one is going to say this about GWill:  Bruno is big, strong and lean with an NBA ready body. At the Combine, he measured 6’10.25 (with shoes) with a wing span of 7’3.25. He weighed in at 237 pounds with a body fat of 5.4%. He possesses a relatively rare combination of size, length and athleticism.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/5/30/18640565/bruno-fernando-atlanta-hawks-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-maryland

If it's Dennis, GWill for Donte, there has to be a pick or another player (cheap) coming back too.

No one will say this about Bruno: He is a rotation player. Great measurements don't equal good player. Bruno is not a good player.

Agreed, and Grant IS big, strong and lean (recently) and with an NBA ready body.  He's one of the stronger players in the entire NBA.  I recall he came out #1 in some strength measure, perhaps dead-lift.

No way GWill dunks like Bruno did last night.  The two measurables are not comparable.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841060-bruno-fernandos-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-analysis-of-the-76ers-pick

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841080-grant-williams-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-analysis-of-celtics-pick

Who cares if Grant can't dunk like Bruno? There is SOOOOOO much more to basketball than dunking, and Grant is better at virtually every other of those things than Bruno.

You're so correct, read the report, there is so much difference between them.

Examples:

"Fernando will look to follow in Montrezl Harrell's footsteps by becoming one of the game's top energizers. He has the chance to be a force inside who can outmuscle opponents and play through them for dunks and putbacks. Fernando also operates with passion and motor, which will play to his identity."

vs

"Williams has clear limitations that suggest his ceiling isn't high. Some scouts are wary about whether his game can translate. However, he should be able to carve out a role with his defensive effectiveness and toughness. It seems reasonable to expect Williams to eventually extend his shooting range. In between, he'll make good decisions and passes and generate some offense for himself in post-up situations. There are difference between him and PJ Tucker, but Williams could be a similarly valuable role player who doesn't need to score to make an impact."

Dude, you are quoting three year old draft scouting reports. We have already seen over three years what each has developed into and what their developmental arcs are.

As I stated, Grant is the much better player and does just about everything better than Bruno. That's why Grant will be here long term playing rotational to starter minutes and Bruno will be long gone and most likely playing in Europe in the near future.

Dude until this year, people were calling for GWill's butt to be shipped out of town, unless you saw the 2019 draft show where they thought he was a great pick for the C's.  Most didn't care, he was sucking pond water as a player.

I think Bruno can be a legit rotation player, maybe not a starter, but I don't think GWill is a starter either and yes, I was one who defended him in the beginning when most were putting his butt on a train out of town.

https://stathead.com/tiny/rB4nb

Williams minutes, points per, rebounds per, FG%, eFG%, 3PT% and TS% has gone up every year. Some precipitously. His FT shooting is now excellent.

Bruno has gone down in minutes, points, rebounds and assists to the point he is a 1/0.2/0.8 guy. Atlanta dumped him after two years. He will be gone from Boston either in the next few hours or this off-season.

His measureables, dunking and scouting reports from three years ago are meaningless because he is simply a bad player who won't be in the NBA much longer.

I'm out with this convo. Best of luck with your Bruno love. I am sure he will be a fun guy to follow in Europe in the near future.

[Big333223]

As Grant has gotten more comfortable shooting, now we're seeing him do a little more with the ball. He seems comfortable taking the ball up in the open court and has made some good plays.

It's looking more and more to me like Grant is the perfect modern 4. Everyone makes the Horford comparison but maybe he's stronger Jae Crowder with a more consistent shot. And Jae is strong.