Would you trade Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons

[johnnygreen]

I voted yes and I can not understand why any of you wouldn’t.

Ben Simmons was a 3x all star and won roty in 4 seasons.

Yes he had issues with shooting but this is a guy who averaged 16/8/8 and noticeably changed the game in all facets.

When you say "issues with shooting" -- do you mean like when he passed out of a dunk in the 4th Q of a tight playoff game because he was nervous he might... ya know.... miss it? Like those kinda issues?

And then Enbiid was a meany pants to him and he didn't like it so he took his $38MM ball and went home for a year 

The 76ers did not lose that series because Simmons passed on a dunk. How does a #1 seed go 1-3 at home in a playoff series, including losing games 1 and 7 on their home court? Embiid and Doc made it seem like the season ended because Simmons passed on that one dunk. They took no accountability for losing that series themselves, but found a scapegoat.

[seancally]

I voted yes and I can not understand why any of you wouldn’t.

Ben Simmons was a 3x all star and won roty in 4 seasons.

Yes he had issues with shooting but this is a guy who averaged 16/8/8 and noticeably changed the game in all facets.

When you say "issues with shooting" -- do you mean like when he passed out of a dunk in the 4th Q of a tight playoff game because he was nervous he might... ya know.... miss it? Like those kinda issues?

And then Enbiid was a meany pants to him and he didn't like it so he took his $38MM ball and went home for a year 

The 76ers did not lose that series because Simmons passed on a dunk. How does a #1 seed go 1-3 at home in a playoff series, including losing games 1 and 7 on their home court? Embiid and Doc made it seem like the season ended because Simmons passed on that one dunk. They took no accountability for losing that series themselves, but found a scapegoat.

Doc has failed in a number of playoff series where he’s had the distinct advantage at some point or another.

[RPGenerate]

I don't know how someone can watch the past year of Ben Simmons and think "I want that". The people defending that clown on a Celtics site is genuinely shocking.

[Phantom255x]

I don't know how someone can watch the past year of Ben Simmons and think "I want that". The people defending that clown on a Celtics site is genuinely shocking.

Not surprised. There are actually some people on this blog suggesting over the past year we bring back Kyrie lol 

[johnnygreen]

No, no, no. Also no.

Do not want Simmons on this team. Does he even want to play in the NBA anymore?

The Sixers have done an excellent job ruining their 2nd best asset. So he had a rough ending to a playoff series last season - it happens to everybody. If they had just traded him after Doc and Embiid went after him and he was tearing it up for a different team, nobody would think anything of it. Simmons hasn't handled this well at all, but PHI holding him hostage - especially to this point - is super bizarre. I can't believe they are likely going to hang on to him until the offseason. What a way to sabotage the middle of Embiid's prime.

I find it completely puzzling how bad Philly has handled this situation. In an era where shooting is at a premium, they have to discount for the fact that Simmons not only can't shoot, but also is reluctant to shoot, especially the 3. Their demands for a return are simply not realistic or even reasonable, especially when no one has seen him play this season. I can only imagine his trade value decreasing even further if Simmons misses a complete season. BTW, if the 76ers are hoping to land Harden in the off-season, I wonder what they think of his recent play, where he has seemingly fallen off a cliff.

[RPGenerate]

No, no, no. Also no.

Do not want Simmons on this team. Does he even want to play in the NBA anymore?

The Sixers have done an excellent job ruining their 2nd best asset. So he had a rough ending to a playoff series last season - it happens to everybody. If they had just traded him after Doc and Embiid went after him and he was tearing it up for a different team, nobody would think anything of it. Simmons hasn't handled this well at all, but PHI holding him hostage - especially to this point - is super bizarre. I can't believe they are likely going to hang on to him until the offseason. What a way to sabotage the middle of Embiid's prime.

I find it completely puzzling how bad Philly has handled this situation. In an era where shooting is at a premium, they have to discount for the fact that Simmons not only can't shoot, but also is reluctant to shoot, especially the 3. Their demands for a return are simply not realistic or even reasonable, especially when no one has seen him play this season. I can only imagine his trade value decreasing even further if Simmons misses a complete season. BTW, if the 76ers are hoping to land Harden in the off-season, I wonder what they think of his recent play, where he has seemingly fallen off a cliff.

Why would his value fall? Everyone knows what he is, and that isn't gonna change. It's smart to wait for a good deal rather than rushing into a bad one.

[johnnygreen]

I don't know how someone can watch the past year of Ben Simmons and think "I want that". The people defending that clown on a Celtics site is genuinely shocking.

Not surprised. There are actually some people on this blog suggesting over the past year we bring back Kyrie lol 

Maybe those people your both attacking are sick of watching a .500 team the past two seasons, and simply want something to change. Correction, a significant change and not minor trades to get under the luxury tax.

[Rosco917]

Last night was an interesting evening. Both J's were satisfied with finding the open man. Doling out 15 assists between the two and not forcing their individual offense. The result, besides a nice win, is the hot hand (Richardson) was allowed to be efficient.

The question is... will they... and can they repeat the effort on a consistent basis? Because if they decide to play this way, their individual averages may decline a tick. How will they tolerate averaging 3 or 4 less per game and winning more often?   

Deep down inside I wonder what the addition of a player who averages a reliable and efficient 17 a night would do for this team.

Would I trade Jaylen for Simmons? Ask me in a half dozen games. 

[Smartacus]

First off I wholly reject the concept that Ben Simmons is broken/cooked/not good whatever. Simmons is easily a top 3-5 defensive player in the league, has not missed a game to injury since the tanking redshirt rookie season, and has spent his whole career playing with a player who has the box stacked against him every game. I may be naive, but I believe that Simmons will more likely than not excel in a new environment.

I'm not saying that it's unfair to criticize how his career has gone thus far but I am saying that it would be negligent for a GM to write him off from the struggles that he's had in Philly. Ben Simmons would be an excellent addition to most teams in the league and in our case would work particularly well with Tatum given how complimentary their games would be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQk33-7dm9g&ab_channel=Philadelphia76ers
Tatum and Simmons in the 2020 All Star Game

All of that said, I would not do a strait Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons swap.

Jaylen is currently on a tier of young players that Ben Simmons was on at one point but has since fallen off. The Celtics trading Jaylen for Simmons is nearly all risk on Boston's end and the best Philly could do outside of James Harden. If the FO does decide to move Jaylen there are probably 5 offers they know of right now than would be safer than trading for Ben Simmons.

Now with that said, if Simmons can exercise his demons he still might be the best player we would pair with Tatum in a Jaylen Brown split. A fully developed Ben Simmons is a better fit with Tatum than Beal, Lillard, Porzingis, Siakam, DeAaron Fox, etc. The question is can he get there?

So I voted 'Maybe, if the package included…'. Maybe there is a deal out there enticing enough to consider, be it draft capital, Tyrese Maxey going to Boston or another team, and/or Matisse Thybulle. Something to offset the risk of breaking up the best young core since Durant/Westbrook/Harden, but not so much that Morey would never even consider it.

[seancally]

I don't know how someone can watch the past year of Ben Simmons and think "I want that". The people defending that clown on a Celtics site is genuinely shocking.

Not surprised. There are actually some people on this blog suggesting over the past year we bring back Kyrie lol 

There have been lots of bad JB takes, including those who wouldn’t trade him for Harden or Kawhi or etc. Simmons is an all-nba, all-defense playmaker. His resume is literally point for point stronger than Brown’s. And in terms of upside honestly I don’t see either one changing dramatically but I have more faith in Simmons hitting FTs at a tolerable clip (he was at 70% in the playoffs a couple years ago) than Brown becoming much more than a scorer.

I’d be happy to keep Jaylen but if we keep playing .500 ball for the rest of the season that’s a problem.

[CBS_Take a Report]

I voted yes and I can not understand why any of you wouldn’t.

Ben Simmons was a 3x all star and won roty in 4 seasons.

Yes he had issues with shooting but this is a guy who averaged 16/8/8 and noticeably changed the game in all facets.

When you say "issues with shooting" -- do you mean like when he passed out of a dunk in the 4th Q of a tight playoff game because he was nervous he might... ya know.... miss it? Like those kinda issues?

And then Enbiid was a meany pants to him and he didn't like it so he took his $38MM ball and went home for a year 

The 76ers did not lose that series because Simmons passed on a dunk. How does a #1 seed go 1-3 at home in a playoff series, including losing games 1 and 7 on their home court? Embiid and Doc made it seem like the season ended because Simmons passed on that one dunk. They took no accountability for losing that series themselves, but found a scapegoat.

I’m so tired of people who assume the common media infused propaganda of a situation represented wrongfully. Ben Simmons didn’t pass up a dunk. He spun away from a defender (Gallo), mis-dribbled and ran into another player who in the blink of an eye was a defender he clearly could’ve dunked on (Trey). If that help defender was Collins which it should have been, we would be praising him for the dish. He dished to a driving player (Thybulle) who he thought had a clear path to a layup which he did but Gallo weak side defended him and ended up fouling Thybulle. I never saw this as bad as the media saw it.

Watch the clip: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-EHA4UhYuQY

But still his shooting is deficient. I do agree that this is the area of his game that needs improvement.

But if you have a re-draft right now I bet more than 50% of the league drafts Simmons before Jaylen.

[todd_days_41]

I voted yes and I can not understand why any of you wouldn’t.

Ben Simmons was a 3x all star and won roty in 4 seasons.

Yes he had issues with shooting but this is a guy who averaged 16/8/8 and noticeably changed the game in all facets.

When you say "issues with shooting" -- do you mean like when he passed out of a dunk in the 4th Q of a tight playoff game because he was nervous he might... ya know.... miss it? Like those kinda issues?

And then Enbiid was a meany pants to him and he didn't like it so he took his $38MM ball and went home for a year 

The 76ers did not lose that series because Simmons passed on a dunk. How does a #1 seed go 1-3 at home in a playoff series, including losing games 1 and 7 on their home court? Embiid and Doc made it seem like the season ended because Simmons passed on that one dunk. They took no accountability for losing that series themselves, but found a scapegoat.

Great -- but Simmons still passed on a slam dunk in the 4th quarter of a playoff game, didn't he? Literally passed out of it. And now he's sitting out the year because his teammates this he's soft. So we should trade a young all-star caliber wing for him?

G*D I hope the Sixers trade him to the Nets this offseason -- would absolutely love it.

[Moranis]

With the team as currently constructed, no, but if the C's made a move to acquire another high level scoring guard/wing, then I'd probably do it.  So like if the C's acquired someone like CJ McCollum, then I probably would, but to acquire Simmons as your 2nd best player where most importantly he is relied on as the secondary scorer, that is a problem and makes no sense.  So I'd rather have McCollum, Tatum, and Simmons than McCollum, Tatum, and Brown.

[wdleehi]

The teams should not trade an all-star level player who shows growth every year for a player who doesn't show growth (but is a top player) and has shown tendencies of not wanting to be a professional player. 

[Vermont Green]

But if you have a re-draft right now I bet more than 50% of the league drafts Simmons before Jaylen.

Interesting proposition.  I think if you had an expansion draft or whatever, and every team could pick either Brown or Simmons, no doubt in my mind that teams would take Brown.  That is just my opinion.  Simmons has more upside but he is a head case.

And to the question of the thread, that is a hard NO, I would not trade Brown for Simmons.  As I said.  Simmons is a head case.  There is a chance he comes back from this and returns to the trajectory of an elite player.  There is also a chance that he will not come back from this, that he will be emotionally disabled forever and will never play elite basketball again.  Kind a Markelle Fultz syndrome if you will.  Just not worth the risk.  Brown is already really good and will get better, without the risk and the drama.