Trade Target: Dejounte Murray

[CBS_Take a Report]

Hadn’t seen a thread on him. He of course has improved his trade value this season. But it strikes me the mutual respect that Pops and Stevens have for one another might make us trade partners at some stage (whether it is Murray, White, Forbes or otherwise).

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07/18/nba-rumors-boston-celtics-san-antonio-spurs-trade-dejounte-murray/ (This is from July when his stock was much lower than where it currently is)

Celtics trade: Marcus Smart + Aaron Nesmith + Pick 45

Spurs trade: Dejounte Murray

The reason I started this thread is:

A) Is he a worthy target?
B) What would be a reasonable package?

[PAOBoston]

Ask yourself this: if you were a Spurs fan and someone proposed Marcus Smart and some filler for your best player straight up, would you do it? It would be a hard no. Murray is young, signed to good money, and is a much superior player to Smart. It would take a much bigger package to land him.

[Birdman]

I doubt Spurs would trade Murray for anyone right now..

[CBS_Take a Report]

Ask yourself this: if you were a Spurs fan and someone proposed Marcus Smart and some filler for your best player straight up, would you do it? It would be a hard no. Murray is young, signed to good money, and is a much superior player to Smart. It would take a much bigger package to land him.

I don’t disagree with you at all. I wasn’t suggesting the package from July was adequate. In fact, I was suggesting the opposite for the same reasons you outline.

So what is the package? Spurs looking at building for future so a pick-centric package might be required.

Would a similar package with the addition of multiple picks be market worthy?

[LilRip]

This is why fans wouldn’t make good GM’s. We (naturally) want guys who are good and performing. Unfortunately this means their price tags are high by the time we’re interested as well (and we’re not interested when their stock tanks)

Landing Murray would take Brown. I would entertain this trade idea too honestly if I were the C’s. But Murray’s lack of reliable outside shooting means the rest of the team needs an overhaul. Conceptually, I could get behind a Murray-JT pairing though more than JB-JT. But again, roster construction would matter a lot.

[td450]

If I could pick any NBA guard that would work for the C's that wasn't a superstar, I'd rank him 1st.  If any package could be arranged that worked and didn't include Tatum or Brown, it would be worth it, but I'm not sure that's possible any more.

The C's need to take a shot at a legit playmaker at some point. I think the more likely path is to find someone less valuable but more available (Brogdon?) or better yet, identify someone younger with more potential.

[todd_days_41]

So much discussion about Murray. I think his fit would be good not great. And I think for the price it would take to get him, we should save those assets for a different player.

[Moranis]

Not nearly enough in the opening proposal to land Murray, but no way I'm trading Brown for just Murray.  Brown is a clearly superior player to Murray.

If they wanted salary filler, prospects, and draft picks, you do that every single time, but you don't trade Brown (or Tatum) for him.

So

Schroder, Langford, Nesmith, and/or G. Williams/Pritchard, 2 or 3 1st's

for

Murray

Do that every single time.


Maybe you add Richardson and McDermott to give them some longer term salary relief. 

So Murray, McDermott for Schroder, Langford, Nesmith, Richardson, 2 or 3 1st's.  If they wanted Smart instead of Richardson, I'd do that but I'd take off an asset in the process.

[boscel33]

Not nearly enough in the opening proposal to land Murray, but no way I'm trading Brown for just Murray.  Brown is a clearly superior player to Murray.

If they wanted salary filler, prospects, and draft picks, you do that every single time, but you don't trade Brown (or Tatum) for him.

So

Schroder, Langford, Nesmith, and/or G. Williams/Pritchard, 2 or 3 1st's

for

Murray

Do that every single time.


Maybe you add Richardson and McDermott to give them some longer term salary relief. 

So Murray, McDermott for Schroder, Langford, Nesmith, Richardson, 2 or 3 1st's.  If they wanted Smart instead of Richardson, I'd do that but I'd take off an asset in the process.

I was going to reply with something similar.  Going to have to give up multiple picks, and they won't be swaps for sure!  Note, I'm asking for Smart over Schroeder if I'm the spurs, just because he's signed longer term and he's still young enough to build around or deal him in a future deal.

[Moranis]

Not nearly enough in the opening proposal to land Murray, but no way I'm trading Brown for just Murray.  Brown is a clearly superior player to Murray.

If they wanted salary filler, prospects, and draft picks, you do that every single time, but you don't trade Brown (or Tatum) for him.

So

Schroder, Langford, Nesmith, and/or G. Williams/Pritchard, 2 or 3 1st's

for

Murray

Do that every single time.


Maybe you add Richardson and McDermott to give them some longer term salary relief. 

So Murray, McDermott for Schroder, Langford, Nesmith, Richardson, 2 or 3 1st's.  If they wanted Smart instead of Richardson, I'd do that but I'd take off an asset in the process.

I was going to reply with something similar.  Going to have to give up multiple picks, and they won't be swaps for sure!  Note, I'm asking for Smart over Schroeder if I'm the spurs, just because he's signed longer term and he's still young enough to build around or deal him in a future deal.

I was thinking Schroder as a salary relief.  A guy like Smart doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you are rebuilding.

[tonydelk]

Murray is a fantastic fit for this team but the C's don't have the assets to get it done.  He's turning into a great player and I'm sure they can get some very good draft capital for him if that's the route they wanted to go.  I love Murray next to Brown and Tatum but since our young players don't get any time to develop no one knows what we have.  I think the only piece that would really entice them is Robert Williams.  They have some good wings and guards that were 1st round picks in Walker, Vassell, Primo, White.  What they don't have are young Bigs.  If the C's really wanted Murray then I'd say

Spurs - Juancho, Schroder, Williams, 2 x 1st round picks
C's - Murray

Williams is looking like a steal and a ton of teams will want him.  Schroder gives them a starter at PG and pending cap space they could resign him if they wanted to.