Smart trade ideas, let's hear them

[LilRip]

It’s rough roster construction. We already know Smart can’t really shoot but of course we end up filli g out the rest of the 8-man rotation with 3 other guys who can’t space the floor - Schroder, Jrich, TL.

Now, those 3 guys are productive players and have value but it’s rough when half your top 8 can’t shoot (Tatum, JT, Grant, and Horford being the other half, although Horford’s shot hasn’t looked the steadiest this year either).

I’ve been on and off the trade Smart bandwagon and right now, I think I’m off it. I think Smart’s being misused this year (he’s not a PG) but he can be an elite role player. He seems best suited for the 2 and this is part of why I wouldn’t mind seeing JB go.

Mind you I don’t want to dump JB. I’d want an all-star PG in return (not Paul George) like a Lillard or a non-crazy Kyrie (lol). I’d welcome Ben Simmons too but then Smart can’t play with Simmons (too many non-shooters again). I’ve followed the league less this year and last year so I’m sure there are other names (Dejounte Murray maybe?) who haven’t made the allstar team yet but look like allstars who could fit the bill.

The team needs elite playmaking and you’re not getting that with a package where Smart is the prize.

[Wretch]

I've been wondering if there is a framework of a Sabonis for Smart trade that could work or maybe something with Golden State to pry away one or more of their prospects.  GS would be dependent on how Klay looks when he gets back.  GS might be interested in a win now move to try to get 1 or 2 more chances at championships with their core.

[todd_days_41]

I've been wondering if there is a framework of a Sabonis for Smart trade that could work or maybe something with Golden State to pry away one or more of their prospects.  GS would be dependent on how Klay looks when he gets back.  GS might be interested in a win now move to try to get 1 or 2 more chances at championships with their core.

I wondered the same, but as it turns out Gary Payton II is an even better defensive guard (without all the histrionics) on a much cheaper deal.

[LilRip]

I've been wondering if there is a framework of a Sabonis for Smart trade that could work or maybe something with Golden State to pry away one or more of their prospects.  GS would be dependent on how Klay looks when he gets back.  GS might be interested in a win now move to try to get 1 or 2 more chances at championships with their core.

You mean what would it take for Indiana to trade their 25 year old multi-allstar for a package centered around a role player like Smart? Sounds like a tough sell.

If the teams were reversed, what framework would you accept for Indy to land Brown for a package where Myles Turner is the prize?

[Wretch]

I've been wondering if there is a framework of a Sabonis for Smart trade that could work or maybe something with Golden State to pry away one or more of their prospects.  GS would be dependent on how Klay looks when he gets back.  GS might be interested in a win now move to try to get 1 or 2 more chances at championships with their core.

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I wondered the same, but as it turns out Gary Payton II is an even better defensive guard (without all the histrionics) on a much cheaper deal.

Maybe GS gets Sabonis, Pacers get Smart, Cs get GS Prospects.  Salary filler and picks as required.  I think Winston is a neutral to negative value player right now based on position, injuries and performance.  Kaminga is the postive value prospect from GS.

I don't think the Pacers are a blow it up and tank team so I think Smart might be attractive in that regard.  They have enough shooting to compensate for Smart but man they'd be good defensively with Smart and Turner. Brogdon is a plus defender also.

[Wretch]

I've been wondering if there is a framework of a Sabonis for Smart trade that could work or maybe something with Golden State to pry away one or more of their prospects.  GS would be dependent on how Klay looks when he gets back.  GS might be interested in a win now move to try to get 1 or 2 more chances at championships with their core.

You mean what would it take for Indiana to trade their 25 year old multi-allstar for a package centered around a role player like Smart? Sounds like a tough sell.

If the teams were reversed, what framework would you accept for Indy to land Brown for a package where Myles Turner is the prize?

I don't think Turner is a prize.   Grant Williams is a role player Smart is an All Defensive Team player and a good starter level player. He's the inverse of Sabonis, but elite offense gets all star nods over elite defense 9/10 times.

[LilRip]

I've been wondering if there is a framework of a Sabonis for Smart trade that could work or maybe something with Golden State to pry away one or more of their prospects.  GS would be dependent on how Klay looks when he gets back.  GS might be interested in a win now move to try to get 1 or 2 more chances at championships with their core.

You mean what would it take for Indiana to trade their 25 year old multi-allstar for a package centered around a role player like Smart? Sounds like a tough sell.

If the teams were reversed, what framework would you accept for Indy to land Brown for a package where Myles Turner is the prize?

I don't think Turner is a prize.   Grant Williams is a role player Smart is an All Defensive Team player and a good starter level player. He's the inverse of Sabonis, but elite offense gets all star nods over elite defense 9/10 times.

So you’re telling me Smart is just like Sabonis? Cmon now. Sabonis has ~only been averaging like 20-12-5 for 3 years now (including this one), is younger than Smart, and has absolutely deserved his all-star berths. But somehow their trade value is more or less even?

Youre right tho, Turner isn’t a huge prize and that’s exactly my point. You wouldn’t give up Jaylen Brown for him. It’s just like how Smart isn’t a huge prize either. Decent player for sure, and a starter in this league, but Indy is supposed to trade their best player for arguably our 3rd (maybe 4th-5th?) best player?

[Vermont Green]

I've been wondering if there is a framework of a Sabonis for Smart trade that could work or maybe something with Golden State to pry away one or more of their prospects.  GS would be dependent on how Klay looks when he gets back.  GS might be interested in a win now move to try to get 1 or 2 more chances at championships with their core.

You mean what would it take for Indiana to trade their 25 year old multi-allstar for a package centered around a role player like Smart? Sounds like a tough sell.

If the teams were reversed, what framework would you accept for Indy to land Brown for a package where Myles Turner is the prize?

I don't think Turner is a prize.   Grant Williams is a role player Smart is an All Defensive Team player and a good starter level player. He's the inverse of Sabonis, but elite offense gets all star nods over elite defense 9/10 times.

So you’re telling me Smart is just like Sabonis? Cmon now. Sabonis has ~only been averaging like 20-12-5 for 3 years now (including this one), is younger than Smart, and has absolutely deserved his all-star berths. But somehow their trade value is more or less even?

Youre right tho, Turner isn’t a huge prize and that’s exactly my point. You wouldn’t give up Jaylen Brown for him. It’s just like how Smart isn’t a huge prize either. Decent player for sure, and a starter in this league, but Indy is supposed to trade their best player for arguably our 3rd (maybe 4th-5th?) best player?

Smart is more than a role player.  He is a legit starter, combo guard, elite defense with intangibles that win games.  But I agree, he does not get us Sabonis.  If you want Sabonis, Brown is going to have to be in the discussion.

[todd_days_41]

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=105824.0

[GreenlyGreeny]

How about this, which we could execute starting January 30:

Trade 1
BOS In: Turner
IND In: BOS TPE, 2022 BOS 2nd, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 HOU/DAL/MIA 2nd

Trade 2
BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Mannion
IND In: Smart, Timelord, 2022 BOS 1st swap, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st swap
GSW In: Sabonis, Schröder, BOS 2024 1st, BOS 2026 1st

So basically trade 1 is for taking Turner off their hands, which not any other team can do for them. We do not agree to do that unless Indiana and GSW agree to trade two (or Indiana agrees to deal Sabonis to us for what we send out above, sans those 2024 and 2026 1sts).

Here is the accounting:

IND In: Smart, Timelord, 2022 BOS 1st swap, 2022 BOS 2nd, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 HOU/DAL/MIA 2nd, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st swap
IND Out: Sabonis, Turner

GSW In: Sabonis, Schröder, BOS 2024 1st, BOS 2026 1st
GSW Out: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Mannion

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Turner, Mannion,
BOS Out: Smart, Timelord, Schröder, BOS 2024 1st, BOS 2026 1st, 2022 BOS 1st swap, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2022 BOS 2nd, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 HOU/DAL/MIA 2nd,

Commentary: From our perspective, think of it has two firsts and then our three first-round swaps, Smart, Timelord and our three second-round picks for Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody, all of whom are under age 21 and recent lottery picks on cost-controlled rookie contracts. Taking on Turner is to make it happen. From the perspective of GSW, they’re upgrading Wiseman to Sabonis and replacing two recent first-round picks (who are not doing much in their rookie year) with two future first-round picks. Definitely a slight win for them now and probably into the future too. Finally, Indiana gets two solid players and a bunch of swaps/picks, with flexibility to build their frontcourt around Timelord, moving forward.

Our new ten-man rotation the rest of the year:

Pritchard/Mannion
Brown/Richardson
Tatum/Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Turner/Horford

We would have to hope we can find a PG with our 2022 1st and/or hope Pritchard grows. We’d have this roster in the off-season, assuming we can bring back Horford:

Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Moody/Langford
Tatum/Kuminga/Nesmith
Wiseman/G. Williams/Hernangomez
Turner/Horford

Priority one would be turning our 2022 1st, Hernangomez, Langford and Nesmith into PG depth. Would not be against trading the first with them to get a starting PG if we’re not convinced an great prospect PG will be available in the draft. Ideally the latter happens and we can still turn those three players into a backup PG:

2022 1st PG/Backup PG/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Moody
Tatum/Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Turner/Horford

Add a couple ring-chasing bigs for slots 13-14.

[Hoopvortex]

Celtics would be a bottom 5 team without Smart this year.  The pitchforks this board has for him are embarrassing.

Agreed.

[slamtheking]

Celtics would be a bottom 5 team without Smart this year.  The pitchforks this board has for him are embarrassing.

Agreed.

that'd be a 5 game swing downwards from where they are.   C's have 19 wins, I'm a bit hesitant to credit Smart with being the reason for 5 of those wins.   I think for the ones that could be credited to him, you could probably point the finger of blame at him for same amount of losses this season.

[smokeablount]

Celtics would be a bottom 5 team without Smart this year.  The pitchforks this board has for him are embarrassing.

Agreed.

that'd be a 5 game swing downwards from where they are.   C's have 19 wins, I'm a bit hesitant to credit Smart with being the reason for 5 of those wins.   I think for the ones that could be credited to him, you could probably point the finger of blame at him for same amount this season.

Idiotic fouls by Smart cost us the Mavs and Warriors games.

[MattyIce]

Celtics would be a bottom 5 team without Smart this year.  The pitchforks this board has for him are embarrassing.

Agreed.

that'd be a 5 game swing downwards from where they are.   C's have 19 wins, I'm a bit hesitant to credit Smart with being the reason for 5 of those wins.   I think for the ones that could be credited to him, you could probably point the finger of blame at him for same amount this season.

Idiotic fouls by Smart cost us the Mavs and Warriors games.

granted, although w/o him we wouldn't have been able to win them, the 5 game downwards still holds true

[slamtheking]

Celtics would be a bottom 5 team without Smart this year.  The pitchforks this board has for him are embarrassing.

Agreed.

that'd be a 5 game swing downwards from where they are.   C's have 19 wins, I'm a bit hesitant to credit Smart with being the reason for 5 of those wins.   I think for the ones that could be credited to him, you could probably point the finger of blame at him for same amount this season.

Idiotic fouls by Smart cost us the Mavs and Warriors games.

granted, although w/o him we wouldn't have been able to win them, the 5 game downwards still holds true

the point is that in many of our games, he's made a number of boneheaded plays that put us in the hole in the first place or provided the opposition with the opportunity to get back into a game and win.  poor shot selection and bad turnovers - especially the ones caused by lazy ball handling and showboat passing.