SI's Michael Pena's Trade Proposal with the ATL Hawks

[footey]

Whether you like the proposed trade or not (most seem not to), I think the Hawks make a very logical trading partner with the Celtics.

Both teams are significantly underperforming.

John Hollinger said that the Hawks have a strong need to step up their defense, and thought that they would have great interest in Marcus Smart.

Who would you consider trading Smart to the Hawks for?

Smart for Collins.

the problem is, Collins is a lot better with a lot more value than Smart.

As I said, I think something like below is reasonable value for both teams.  I don't know if either team does it though

Brown for Collins and Reddish

If they wanted Smart also, I'd include him for Huerter and filler. 

So

Brown, Smart for Collins, Reddish, Huerter, Hill

Boston then cuts Parker and Fernando

Post-Trade

PG - Schroder, Pritchard
SG - Huerter, Richardson, Langford
SF - Tatum, Reddish, Nesmith, Hill
PF - Collins, G. Williams, Hernangomez
C - Horford, R. Williams, Freedom

I think that is a more balanced team with better and more sustainable depth.

Why do you have Horford starting over R. Williams?  Williams is clearly the better player now, it's not even close.  Are you concerned with his fit next to Collins?

John Collins best asset is his interior scoring off of post ups or PnRs so having a center who can space the floor (Horford) and open the paint for him is how you will get the most out of John Collins.

Being coupled with Capela in Atlanta is the main reason Collins has been unable to elevate his game these last 2 years. With a stretch five, Collins could be a 25-10 threat.

Yes, so you are saying he is a bad fit next to R Williams? He is a better fit next to a stretch 5.  Unfortunately Horford has lost his stretch value, he stinks outside from 3.  That is why I've never been a big fan of Collins teaming up with R Williams, for the reason you stated his play with Capela suffers.  (although they did make it work in playoffs last year).

[blink]

so we are trading the guy who can drop 50 for 3 guys together that can't give you 25 on a consistent basis?
I don't know how that makes any sense whatsoever for the C's?

[Who]

Whether you like the proposed trade or not (most seem not to), I think the Hawks make a very logical trading partner with the Celtics.

Both teams are significantly underperforming.

John Hollinger said that the Hawks have a strong need to step up their defense, and thought that they would have great interest in Marcus Smart.

Who would you consider trading Smart to the Hawks for?

Smart for Collins.

the problem is, Collins is a lot better with a lot more value than Smart.

As I said, I think something like below is reasonable value for both teams.  I don't know if either team does it though

Brown for Collins and Reddish

If they wanted Smart also, I'd include him for Huerter and filler. 

So

Brown, Smart for Collins, Reddish, Huerter, Hill

Boston then cuts Parker and Fernando

Post-Trade

PG - Schroder, Pritchard
SG - Huerter, Richardson, Langford
SF - Tatum, Reddish, Nesmith, Hill
PF - Collins, G. Williams, Hernangomez
C - Horford, R. Williams, Freedom

I think that is a more balanced team with better and more sustainable depth.

Why do you have Horford starting over R. Williams?  Williams is clearly the better player now, it's not even close.  Are you concerned with his fit next to Collins?

John Collins best asset is his interior scoring off of post ups or PnRs so having a center who can space the floor (Horford) and open the paint for him is how you will get the most out of John Collins.

Being coupled with Capela in Atlanta is the main reason Collins has been unable to elevate his game these last 2 years. With a stretch five, Collins could be a 25-10 threat.

Yes, so you are saying he is a bad fit next to R Williams? He is a better fit next to a stretch 5.  Unfortunately Horford has lost his stretch value, he stinks outside from 3.  That is why I've never been a big fan of Collins teaming up with R Williams, for the reason you stated his play with Capela suffers.  (although they did make it work in playoffs last year).

Yes, bad fit. They will underachieve next to each other.

[Moranis]

Horford should start regardless of any other players, because Robert Williams can't stay healthy and having him come off the bench saves some grind on his body.

[PhoSita]

So you trade a borderline All-Star locked up for multiple years and what you get back is a couple borderline starters and a couple of picks likely to fall in the middle of the first round.

That seems like a sell low kind of deal, to me. Like, you could justify that package if Jaylen were already asking out.  But we're not there yet.  If the Celts trade either of the Jays, they should be looking for a godfather offer (i.e. an overpay) from a team that thinks they're getting a finishing piece.  The Celts should ask to basically own the next several years of that team's draft.

[Birdman]

Bad trade for Boston

[SCeltic34]

This type of trade proposal makes no sense.  If you're giving away the best player in a trade then you're losing that trade.  The only circumstances in which trades like this should be considered is if 1) the star player is demanding a trade, and this is the best package you can get back, or 2) the team is rebuilding, in which you are willing to take on a combination of prospects, bad contracts, and/or future 1st rounders.  Brown is not demanding a trade, and Boston is not rebuilding.

Do not trade stars for the sake of trading them.  You need to receive equivalent value for it to make sense - a star player that is hopefully a better fit for the team.

[footey]

Horford should start regardless of any other players, because Robert Williams can't stay healthy and having him come off the bench saves some grind on his body.

Horford is the one whose minutes need to be cut back, not Williams. You have this backwards. Your view is last year, not this year.

[Moranis]

Horford should start regardless of any other players, because Robert Williams can't stay healthy and having him come off the bench saves some grind on his body.

Horford is the one whose minutes need to be cut back, not Williams. You have this backwards. Your view is last year, not this year.

No it is not.  Williams can't stay healthy.  Neither one should be playing PF, they both should be around 24 mpg.  I just think Horford needs to start to take the initial load.

[todd_days_41]

Horford should start regardless of any other players, because Robert Williams can't stay healthy and having him come off the bench saves some grind on his body.

I get your point, but just reverse the two. Horford is a high minute back-up.

[Atzar]

Horford should start regardless of any other players, because Robert Williams can't stay healthy and having him come off the bench saves some grind on his body.

I get your point, but just reverse the two. Horford is a high minute back-up.

In theory, I like the idea of running Schroder-Horford pick-and-roll as the offensive engine off the bench.  Richardson, Grant, and one of the Jays can provide adequate spacing… or at least as close as this roster can get to it.  If Richardson starts in Horford’s place, then either Langford or Nesmith would get the opportunity.  Not crazy about playing Pritchard and Schroder at the same time - too small - but it might be the best offensive option of the bunch.

Neither of them shoots as well as we’d ideally want out of the set (particularly Horford this year), but I would at least explore the idea.  We have guys who can help on offense.  There’s no reason to be as uncreative and reliant on hero iso-ball from the Jays as we are.

[Moranis]

Horford should start regardless of any other players, because Robert Williams can't stay healthy and having him come off the bench saves some grind on his body.

I get your point, but just reverse the two. Horford is a high minute back-up.

Horford is passing much better as well and provide floor spacing.  Williams clogs up the paint, which is where Tatum and Brown are truly at their best. Horford should start at center and play center exclusively. The team would be better.

[showtime]

 If we could get Collins, Huerter and Reddish, for Brown and Smart, I'd say yes!  Better rebounding, Better shooting, and a power 4, capable of getting 20 and 10,

[liam]

Horford should start regardless of any other players, because Robert Williams can't stay healthy and having him come off the bench saves some grind on his body.

I get your point, but just reverse the two. Horford is a high minute back-up.

Horford is passing much better as well and provide floor spacing.  Williams clogs up the paint, which is where Tatum and Brown are truly at their best. Horford should start at center and play center exclusively. The team would be better.

Horford, TIMELORD and Smart are all non-shooters so there is no spacing in the starting unit. Al isn't a shooter at this point or you could say that he takes shots and doesn't make them.

[liam]

If we could get Collins, Huerter and Reddish, for Brown and Smart, I'd say yes!  Better rebounding, Better shooting, and a power 4, capable of getting 20 and 10,

Brown is the best player in that trade. You don't want to give up the best player.