SI's Michael Pena's Trade Proposal with the ATL Hawks

[footey]

The Hawks would get Jaylen Brown.  The Celtics would get De'Andre Hunter, Kevin Huerter, Jalen Johnson and two unprotected first-round picks.

The trade would have to be executed in summer, given poison pill nature of Huerter contract.

I'm not a fan of trading Brown, but can see the fit in this trade. Both teams are underperforming and need to shake things up. The Hawks have a lot of superfluous assets.  JB is from the ATL area.  It all makes sense.

What do you think?

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/01/07/celtics-hawks-trade-proposal-jaylen-brown-deandre-hunter-kevin-huerter

[Moranis]

That is a bad trade for Boston.  Hunter is out with a broken wrist after missing 3/4 of the season last year with an injury.  Plus he hasn't exactly looked like a world beater when he plays.  Johnson was the 20th pick last year and can't even crack the Hawks rotation.  Huerter is a nice player, but that's it.  Nothing more than a role player.

Now if the trade was something based around Collins and Huerter or Hunter or Reddish, that makes far more sense for Boston.

[Roy H.]

It seems like a “$1 for 3 quarters and 2 dimes” deal.

[keevsnick]

Strictly speaking value wise I don't think its a terrible deal. Its exactly the kind of thing Atlanta should be doing, because Brown is a perfect fit for a team that already has a REALLY good passing lead guard.

But that is an extremely risky move for the c's. Because what exactly are you hoping for? That one of the guys you get ends up as good as Jaylen Brown? Or that maybe you can deal some of those assets you get for...... a guy as good as Jaylen Brown? I mean if Deandre hunter keeps getting hurt or none of those guys takes a leap say good bye to Tatum in a few years.

I'm not a fan of a dollar for four quarters kind of deal, not when you have a guy in Tatum you have to convince to stay here.

[todd_days_41]

Absolutely not.

[W8ting2McHale]

That’s not a blockbuster trade. That’s a trade you make when someone is demanding to be traded and you’ve got no way out.

As Roy said: 3 quarters and 2 dimes. Maybe we could get a 3rd dime if Jaylen could throw one?

There’s been a number of trades over the years sending him home to Atlanta, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard him mention that he was a Hawks fan growing up. I guess it’s a good thing St. Louis doesn’t have a BB team or Tatum would be getting a ticket home too.

[footey]

Whether you like the proposed trade or not (most seem not to), I think the Hawks make a very logical trading partner with the Celtics.

Both teams are significantly underperforming.

John Hollinger said that the Hawks have a strong need to step up their defense, and thought that they would have great interest in Marcus Smart.

Who would you consider trading Smart to the Hawks for?

[Roy H.]

Whether you like the proposed trade or not (most seem not to), I think the Hawks make a very logical trading partner with the Celtics.

Both teams are significantly underperforming.

John Hollinger said that the Hawks have a strong need to step up their defense, and thought that they would have great interest in Marcus Smart.

Who would you consider trading Smart to the Hawks for?

Smart for Collins.

[Who]

Terrible trade for Boston. Jaylen for a couple of role players and 1st in the 20s. Awful.

[Smartacus]

It's funny I actually kicked around roughly this same trade years ago with my brother when Hunter was a rookie and I was not thrilled with Jaylen. Since then Jaylen has risen and Hunter cannot stay healthy.

I'm not flat out opposed to it at this point but the deal has definitely soured. Hunter's rookie year made him look like he might have been a viable successor to John Collins, if he can get his body right it's probably too early to fully write him off given that he's a massive wing and probably better suited to the 4 than Tatum. My problem is more with the other pieces. Hurter has had every opportunity to rise but hasn't and Jalen Johnson has showed nothing at the NBA and fell in the draft. The 2 picks would likely be garbage, so it's a lot of empty calories for one of the league's best young talents.

Maybe if we expand the trade to include Cam Reddish and Marcus Smart it might be more intriguing but as is I think you JKJB.

[csfansince60s]

No to trading Jaylen Brown.

As soon as he gets a competent coach, he will be fine.

I am a no to most trades right now as teams perceive us as being in a position of weakness thanks to Ime.

[Moranis]

Whether you like the proposed trade or not (most seem not to), I think the Hawks make a very logical trading partner with the Celtics.

Both teams are significantly underperforming.

John Hollinger said that the Hawks have a strong need to step up their defense, and thought that they would have great interest in Marcus Smart.

Who would you consider trading Smart to the Hawks for?

Smart for Collins.

the problem is, Collins is a lot better with a lot more value than Smart.

As I said, I think something like below is reasonable value for both teams.  I don't know if either team does it though

Brown for Collins and Reddish

If they wanted Smart also, I'd include him for Huerter and filler. 

So

Brown, Smart for Collins, Reddish, Huerter, Hill

Boston then cuts Parker and Fernando

Post-Trade

PG - Schroder, Pritchard
SG - Huerter, Richardson, Langford
SF - Tatum, Reddish, Nesmith, Hill
PF - Collins, G. Williams, Hernangomez
C - Horford, R. Williams, Freedom

I think that is a more balanced team with better and more sustainable depth. 

[Who]

Why would we trade Jaylen Brown for John Collins?

Collins is just an inferior version of what Jaylen brings. A scorer who doesn't create for others. A worse perimeter shooter so less spacing (only 3 3PTA per game vs 7-8 for Jaylen). Less handles and less passing. A below average defensive player. An adequate but unexceptional rebounder.

There is no upside to that swap and marginal talent like Cam Reddish doesn't come close to covering the gap in talent between Jaylen and John Collins.

[footey]

Whether you like the proposed trade or not (most seem not to), I think the Hawks make a very logical trading partner with the Celtics.

Both teams are significantly underperforming.

John Hollinger said that the Hawks have a strong need to step up their defense, and thought that they would have great interest in Marcus Smart.

Who would you consider trading Smart to the Hawks for?

Smart for Collins.

the problem is, Collins is a lot better with a lot more value than Smart.

As I said, I think something like below is reasonable value for both teams.  I don't know if either team does it though

Brown for Collins and Reddish

If they wanted Smart also, I'd include him for Huerter and filler. 

So

Brown, Smart for Collins, Reddish, Huerter, Hill

Boston then cuts Parker and Fernando

Post-Trade

PG - Schroder, Pritchard
SG - Huerter, Richardson, Langford
SF - Tatum, Reddish, Nesmith, Hill
PF - Collins, G. Williams, Hernangomez
C - Horford, R. Williams, Freedom

I think that is a more balanced team with better and more sustainable depth.

Why do you have Horford starting over R. Williams?  Williams is clearly the better player now, it's not even close.  Are you concerned with his fit next to Collins?

[Who]

Whether you like the proposed trade or not (most seem not to), I think the Hawks make a very logical trading partner with the Celtics.

Both teams are significantly underperforming.

John Hollinger said that the Hawks have a strong need to step up their defense, and thought that they would have great interest in Marcus Smart.

Who would you consider trading Smart to the Hawks for?

Smart for Collins.

the problem is, Collins is a lot better with a lot more value than Smart.

As I said, I think something like below is reasonable value for both teams.  I don't know if either team does it though

Brown for Collins and Reddish

If they wanted Smart also, I'd include him for Huerter and filler. 

So

Brown, Smart for Collins, Reddish, Huerter, Hill

Boston then cuts Parker and Fernando

Post-Trade

PG - Schroder, Pritchard
SG - Huerter, Richardson, Langford
SF - Tatum, Reddish, Nesmith, Hill
PF - Collins, G. Williams, Hernangomez
C - Horford, R. Williams, Freedom

I think that is a more balanced team with better and more sustainable depth.

Why do you have Horford starting over R. Williams?  Williams is clearly the better player now, it's not even close.  Are you concerned with his fit next to Collins?

John Collins best asset is his interior scoring off of post ups or PnRs so having a center who can space the floor (Horford) and open the paint for him is how you will get the most out of John Collins.

Being coupled with Capela in Atlanta is the main reason Collins has been unable to elevate his game these last 2 years. With a stretch five, Collins could be a 25-10 threat.


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Just to add, Collins gives you enough perimeter shooting to keep defenses honest but it is not his strength as evidenced by his low number of three point attempts per game (3 per game). His main strength is the interior scoring but that is hard to fully unlock when played next to rim roller / garbage man / paint dwelling center.