Celtics: should we be sellers or buyers?

[Who]

We should sell Schroder and Richardson.  Not because I think we can get decent assets for them, I don't. Because it will clear roster space for our younger guys to play, increase development and asset value, and also help us secure more ping pong balls.  This team is better off not going to the play in, as it has no chance of advancing in playoffs.

Agree with this. Play the young guys and develop them and get a lotto pick.

Yes, I am happy with this.

Schroder has been disappointing. Less impact than hoped. I believe we can move on from him without losing much.

Josh Richardson has been solid but he has been so inconsistent the two previous years that I am unconvinced how well his shooting will hold up. And even then, he is doing little ball-handling or passing so his offensive impact hasn't been that good despite shooting numbers. A medium-low number of three point attempts hurting him also. Only 3.5 threes in 25mpg out of 8 total FGAs. He has been a marginal player.

Still, Romeo and Nesmith have both been terrible so going from a marginal contributor to net negatives could hurt the team. I'd still do it though. I like Nesmith. I believe he can be useful. I am happy to bet on him.

[slamtheking]

We should sell Schroder and Richardson.  Not because I think we can get decent assets for them, I don't. Because it will clear roster space for our younger guys to play, increase development and asset value, and also help us secure more ping pong balls.  This team is better off not going to the play in, as it has no chance of advancing in playoffs.

Agree with this. Play the young guys and develop them and get a lotto pick.

Yes, I am happy with this.

Schroder has been disappointing. Less impact than hoped. I believe we can move on from him without losing much.

Josh Richardson has been solid but he has been so inconsistent the two previous years that I am unconvinced how well his shooting will hold up. And even then, he is doing little ball-handling or passing so his offensive impact hasn't been that good despite shooting numbers. A medium-low number of three point attempts hurting him also. Only 3.5 threes in 25mpg out of 8 total FGAs. He has been a marginal player.

Still, Romeo and Nesmith have both been terrible so going from a marginal contributor to net negatives could hurt the team. I'd still do it though. I like Nesmith. I believe he can be useful. I am happy to bet on him.

disagree in regards to Romeo.  his defense has been a definite plus and he's always getting in the mix for rebounds and loose balls.  plenty of hustle with him.  corner 3's were really good for him to start the season, not sure why the recent drop off but he's demonstrating a really solid ability to drive to the basket from the corners.   biggest issue is still getting him on the court.

[Who]

We should sell Schroder and Richardson.  Not because I think we can get decent assets for them, I don't. Because it will clear roster space for our younger guys to play, increase development and asset value, and also help us secure more ping pong balls.  This team is better off not going to the play in, as it has no chance of advancing in playoffs.

Agree with this. Play the young guys and develop them and get a lotto pick.

Yes, I am happy with this.

Schroder has been disappointing. Less impact than hoped. I believe we can move on from him without losing much.

Josh Richardson has been solid but he has been so inconsistent the two previous years that I am unconvinced how well his shooting will hold up. And even then, he is doing little ball-handling or passing so his offensive impact hasn't been that good despite shooting numbers. A medium-low number of three point attempts hurting him also. Only 3.5 threes in 25mpg out of 8 total FGAs. He has been a marginal player.

Still, Romeo and Nesmith have both been terrible so going from a marginal contributor to net negatives could hurt the team. I'd still do it though. I like Nesmith. I believe he can be useful. I am happy to bet on him.

disagree in regards to Romeo.  his defense has been a definite plus and he's always getting in the mix for rebounds and loose balls.  plenty of hustle with him.  corner 3's were really good for him to start the season, not sure why the recent drop off but he's demonstrating a really solid ability to drive to the basket from the corners.   biggest issue is still getting him on the court.

Romeo's defense has been good but his offense has been awful.

Only 5ppg in 20mpg so only 1 point every 4 minutes. Very low production. At a TS% of 50.3% so way below the average TS% of 55%.

He is offering only 0.6 assists per game which is a terrible number for 20mpg for a two guard or small forward. His AST% of 4.1% is second worst on the team behind Kanter.

He gives way below average scoring, scoring efficiency, passing and limited ball-handling. He is still one of the worst offensive players in the league.

What he costs you on offense is more than he adds with his defense.

[Roy H.]

We should sell Schroder and Richardson.  Not because I think we can get decent assets for them, I don't. Because it will clear roster space for our younger guys to play, increase development and asset value, and also help us secure more ping pong balls.  This team is better off not going to the play in, as it has no chance of advancing in playoffs.

Agree with this. Play the young guys and develop them and get a lotto pick.

Yes, I am happy with this.

Schroder has been disappointing. Less impact than hoped. I believe we can move on from him without losing much.

Josh Richardson has been solid but he has been so inconsistent the two previous years that I am unconvinced how well his shooting will hold up. And even then, he is doing little ball-handling or passing so his offensive impact hasn't been that good despite shooting numbers. A medium-low number of three point attempts hurting him also. Only 3.5 threes in 25mpg out of 8 total FGAs. He has been a marginal player.

Still, Romeo and Nesmith have both been terrible so going from a marginal contributor to net negatives could hurt the team. I'd still do it though. I like Nesmith. I believe he can be useful. I am happy to bet on him.

disagree in regards to Romeo.  his defense has been a definite plus and he's always getting in the mix for rebounds and loose balls.  plenty of hustle with him.  corner 3's were really good for him to start the season, not sure why the recent drop off but he's demonstrating a really solid ability to drive to the basket from the corners.   biggest issue is still getting him on the court.

Romeo has been pretty terrible.  His scoring rate (per possession) is only better than Bruno and Juancho.

He's also shooting 18% 3PT% since December 1.

[Kuberski33]

We should sell Schroder and Richardson.  Not because I think we can get decent assets for them, I don't. Because it will clear roster space for our younger guys to play, increase development and asset value, and also help us secure more ping pong balls.  This team is better off not going to the play in, as it has no chance of advancing in playoffs.

Agree with this. Play the young guys and develop them and get a lotto pick.

Yes, I am happy with this.

Schroder has been disappointing. Less impact than hoped. I believe we can move on from him without losing much.

Josh Richardson has been solid but he has been so inconsistent the two previous years that I am unconvinced how well his shooting will hold up. And even then, he is doing little ball-handling or passing so his offensive impact hasn't been that good despite shooting numbers. A medium-low number of three point attempts hurting him also. Only 3.5 threes in 25mpg out of 8 total FGAs. He has been a marginal player.

Still, Romeo and Nesmith have both been terrible so going from a marginal contributor to net negatives could hurt the team. I'd still do it though. I like Nesmith. I believe he can be useful. I am happy to bet on him.

disagree in regards to Romeo.  his defense has been a definite plus and he's always getting in the mix for rebounds and loose balls.  plenty of hustle with him.  corner 3's were really good for him to start the season, not sure why the recent drop off but he's demonstrating a really solid ability to drive to the basket from the corners.   biggest issue is still getting him on the court.

That game in Minnesota I think firmly planted him in Ime's dog house. He actually could have helped them last night if they put him on Fornier in the 4th quarter when he was going off. Right now though he's basically a thinner Semi - who can't shoot as well.

[PhoSita]

Sellers.

I'm not especially attached to anybody on the roster right now.  I think the only way out of the current mess is to amass as much draft capital as possible and for Brad to hit several home runs (or at least triples) in the draft over the next couple of years.

[Ogaju]

sell sell sell

[todd_days_41]

Sellers.

I'm not especially attached to anybody on the roster right now.  I think the only way out of the current mess is to amass as much draft capital as possible and for Brad to hit several home runs (or at least triples) in the draft over the next couple of years.

Would your preference be to sell on Tatum, Brown, or both? Do you not think it’s worth Brad trading one of them for another very good player (or two) in an effort to balance the team before an all out TNT?

[PhoSita]

Sellers.

I'm not especially attached to anybody on the roster right now.  I think the only way out of the current mess is to amass as much draft capital as possible and for Brad to hit several home runs (or at least triples) in the draft over the next couple of years.

Would your preference be to sell on Tatum, Brown, or both? Do you not think it’s worth Brad trading one of them for another very good player (or two) in an effort to balance the team before an all out TNT?

I don't think we're at the point yet of trading those guys.

Jaylen hits UFA in summer 2024.

I think Brad has until the 2023 off-season to try to set things right in terms of putting the team in a position to be competitive (i.e. 50+ wins) in a sustained way.  If we get to summer 2023 and the team is in more or less the same (or worse) position as they are now, then I would look to trade Jaylen. And at that point, if you're trading Jaylen for a rebuilding package, you may as well trade Tatum too.  Tatum would have 2 years left on his deal, so you could probably extract a pretty hefty price from someone.

Obviously the hope is that Brad can make some smart moves, make some great picks in the draft, maybe snag one or two steals in free agency, and then the team looks ready to be the perennial dark horse that we all thought they could be.

The absolute worst case scenario, for me, is that the team continues to flounder around .500, they continue to make mediocre or straight up bad moves in FA and the draft, and then Jaylen ends up leaving for nothing (or perhaps another trade exception, ugh), which then sets up Tatum leaving for nothing.  That would then put the team in a spot where a protracted, painful rebuild would be the only option.

[Kuberski33]

I would move Jaylen now for the right deal.

I see the keepers as Tatum and Rob - that's it. Brad needs to figure out how to turn what's left into a quality point guard who you can build around, and a 3 who won't represent a huge drop-off from Jaylen.

I'm not sure how you do that - but that's what I'd be working towards.  A few of the other guys on the roster aren't bad pieces - and it wouldn't bother me if they kept them (specifically Richardson, Smart, Al and Grant Williams) but I equally wouldn't lose any sleep of any or all of them moved on.

[liam]

I would move Jaylen now for the right deal.

I see the keepers as Tatum and Rob - that's it. Brad needs to figure out how to turn what's left into a quality point guard who you can build around, and a 3 who won't represent a huge drop-off from Jaylen.

I'm not sure how you do that - but that's what I'd be working towards.  A few of the other guys on the roster aren't bad pieces - and it wouldn't bother me if they kept them (specifically Richardson, Smart, Al and Grant Williams) but I equally wouldn't lose any sleep of any or all of them moved on.

What would that deal be? What is good value for Brown?

[Kuberski33]

I would move Jaylen now for the right deal.

I see the keepers as Tatum and Rob - that's it. Brad needs to figure out how to turn what's left into a quality point guard who you can build around, and a 3 who won't represent a huge drop-off from Jaylen.

I'm not sure how you do that - but that's what I'd be working towards.  A few of the other guys on the roster aren't bad pieces - and it wouldn't bother me if they kept them (specifically Richardson, Smart, Al and Grant Williams) but I equally wouldn't lose any sleep of any or all of them moved on.

What would that deal be? What is good value for Brown?

I don't know and honestly I don't follow the league as closely as I used to because I just don't have the free time. I want someone at the level of say Jrue Holliday.  Any deal involving Jaylen is likely multi-player with the C's giving up most of the players.

[SHAQATTACK]

I would be having a yard sell in Boston …..at the front door of the garden

Buy one no defense bricklayer ,  get the second one free !


Everything is for sell ,  maybe not the Statue .

[JSD]

Sit Tatum like Pierce in 07.

Trade Brown to OKC for a treasure chest of picks

Trade all none rookie scale multi year contracts for expiring


Go into next offseason with 2 max slots to join Tatum, multiple lottery and future picks. 2017 all over again.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Sit Tatum like Pierce in 07.

Trade Brown to OKC for a treasure chest of picks

Trade all none rookie scale multi year contracts for expiring


Go into next off season with 2 max slots to join Tatum, multiple lottery and future picks. 2017 all over again.

Brown would be perfect for OKC. They have the picks. See if Tatum can get Beal to come this summer.
Trade Brown and Horford for Fox and Hield.