Well done Brad

[tonydelk]

The issue has and will be the same as it's been for a few years.  This team doesn't have enough shooting to space the floor.  While Smart, Richardson, DS can score they are not good shooters.  Horford is playing so poorly that it's killing this team. 

Ime can't force his team not to play ISO ball.  The problem with ISO ball is the team doesn't have knock down shooters.  JT showed some great passing chops yesterday.  Smart mad a few but missed a few wide open shots.  JT should have had about 14 assists.  He can't get to the hoop against 3 guys because the D can easily crash knowing the C's shootes probably won't make it.

JB needs a playmaking PG better then smart to be successful.  He hasn't shown a lot of growth in regards to passing out of double teams like Tatum has and it worries me he never will. 

This team has good players but as usual they don't fit. They need shooters.  PP is a shooter and until Nesmith improves probably the only one on the team and they could have really used him these last two games.  Brad needs to make some deals but who is going to give up shooting for what the C's have to offer?

[Goldstar88]

I am still flabbergasted by all those signings. Especially on top of letting Fournier walk.

The whole idea of sacrificing a 1st round pick in order to get Horford for Kemba was a the cap flexibility it created. Then CBS gave it all away with extensions to Smart & Josh Richardson.

We were in position for a 3rd star via free agency. Why give it up over such marginal talent!!

If you were going to give extensions to people, keep the bloody pick!!

It's nice having Horford back in town, but I hated that trade from the beginning. I will say that I was likely wrong that the #16 pick in last year's draft is the highest pick we'll have in a while. I personally loved Kemba - so it wasn't like we dumped a malcontent for Al.

Hopefully we can sort things out moving forward. Al's salary and a bunch of picks may get us something really good...maybe even someone as good as Kemba /s

You do realize that Kemba was benched by Thibbs and didn’t play again until NY was forced to, due to players being out with injury/Covid. Walker has also missed the last 5 games because his knee is acting up again. I can’t believe that people still think it was not a good trade by Brad. Literally no other team wanted anything to do with a Kemba and OKC dumped him for nothing.

[wikkid1]

Gotta love Fournier.  His three highest scoring games of the year are against the Celts.  Seems like he’s p---ed at the team for dumping him.

He shouldn’t be.  His stats on the season show Brad made the right call w/o a doubt.

[Roy H.]

Gotta love Fournier.  His three highest scoring games of the year are against the Celts.  Seems like he’s p---ed at the team for dumping him.

He shouldn’t be.  His stats on the season show Brad made the right call w/o a doubt.

I disagree.  This team sorely lacks shooting and scoring.

[Moranis]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

[PAOBoston]

Gotta love Fournier.  His three highest scoring games of the year are against the Celts.  Seems like he’s p---ed at the team for dumping him.

He shouldn’t be.  His stats on the season show Brad made the right call w/o a doubt.

I don’t understand how you can watch this team and not say that having a guy who can shoot the three and can handle the ball is not needed. Especially in light of the fact that they turned around and have that money to Smart. It makes no sense.

[PAOBoston]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

[Jiri Welsch]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

This might be true in the abstract (i.e. Fournier is a bit better than Richardson on the whole, it would have been nice to keep him). But the Celtics simply weren’t and aren’t good enough to justify signing Fournier to a $20 million a year contract for a bench spot.

Those are moves you make when you are a team like Miami, trying to keep Robinson or Herro because you know it’ll work and those guys have tons of value around the league. Fournier was acquired at the deadline for basically nothing. Re-signing him ran the risk of having another bad contract that would require giving up assets to unload when it inevitably became clear we stink and it wasn’t worth paying $20 million for a bench guy.

That’s how I see it at least.

[PAOBoston]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

This might be true in the abstract (i.e. Fournier is a bit better than Richardson on the whole, it would have been nice to keep him). But the Celtics simply weren’t and aren’t good enough to justify signing Fournier to a $20 million a year contract for a bench spot.

Those are moves you make when you are a team like Miami, trying to keep Robinson or Herro because you know it’ll work and those guys have tons of value around the league. Fournier was acquired at the deadline for basically nothing. Re-signing him ran the risk of having another bad contract that would require giving up assets to unload when it inevitably became clear we stink and it wasn’t worth paying $20 million for a bench guy.

That’s how I see it at least.

I don’t understand how we can make that argument when the Cs let this guy go and then extended Marcus Smart for similar money.

[Jiri Welsch]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

This might be true in the abstract (i.e. Fournier is a bit better than Richardson on the whole, it would have been nice to keep him). But the Celtics simply weren’t and aren’t good enough to justify signing Fournier to a $20 million a year contract for a bench spot.

Those are moves you make when you are a team like Miami, trying to keep Robinson or Herro because you know it’ll work and those guys have tons of value around the league. Fournier was acquired at the deadline for basically nothing. Re-signing him ran the risk of having another bad contract that would require giving up assets to unload when it inevitably became clear we stink and it wasn’t worth paying $20 million for a bench guy.

That’s how I see it at least.

I don’t understand how we can make that argument when the Cs let this guy go and then extended Marcus Smart for similar money.

Because Smart is a different position of need (PG) not a wing when you have two All-Star wings and two "prospect" wings on rookie deals. I'm also willing to bet Smart has more value around the league than Fournier.

[Roy H.]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

This might be true in the abstract (i.e. Fournier is a bit better than Richardson on the whole, it would have been nice to keep him). But the Celtics simply weren’t and aren’t good enough to justify signing Fournier to a $20 million a year contract for a bench spot.

Those are moves you make when you are a team like Miami, trying to keep Robinson or Herro because you know it’ll work and those guys have tons of value around the league. Fournier was acquired at the deadline for basically nothing. Re-signing him ran the risk of having another bad contract that would require giving up assets to unload when it inevitably became clear we stink and it wasn’t worth paying $20 million for a bench guy.

That’s how I see it at least.

I don’t understand how we can make that argument when the Cs let this guy go and then extended Marcus Smart for similar money.

Because Smart is a different position of need (PG) not a wing when you have two All-Star wings and two "prospect" wings on rookie deals. I'm also willing to bet Smart has more value around the league than Fournier.

I'm not sure that teams are chomping at the bit to trade for a PG who is a bad decision maker, an average passer, a terrible shooter, and who for the last three seasons has played defense inconsistently.

Evan Fournier (2 years) vs. Marcus Smart (4 years) at the same money?  I'm taking Fournier.

[footey]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

This might be true in the abstract (i.e. Fournier is a bit better than Richardson on the whole, it would have been nice to keep him). But the Celtics simply weren’t and aren’t good enough to justify signing Fournier to a $20 million a year contract for a bench spot.

Those are moves you make when you are a team like Miami, trying to keep Robinson or Herro because you know it’ll work and those guys have tons of value around the league. Fournier was acquired at the deadline for basically nothing. Re-signing him ran the risk of having another bad contract that would require giving up assets to unload when it inevitably became clear we stink and it wasn’t worth paying $20 million for a bench guy.

That’s how I see it at least.

Fournier is making about $17 mm this season, $18mm next season, and $18.9 mm third season. 4th year is team option.  When you factor our team need for a sniper shooter like him, I think that it would have been a good  investment.   Not sure if team owners (tax) or management (Brad) or Ime (not defensive enough) caused this contract not to get done by Celtics. 

[Goldstar88]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

Moranis is right. There are two ends of the court and If you factor all variables in, including contract, I’d rather have Richardson. Josh is shooting 40% from 3pt this season with Boston and he is a much, much better defender.

[todd_days_41]

Gotta love Fournier.  His three highest scoring games of the year are against the Celts.  Seems like he’s p---ed at the team for dumping him.

He shouldn’t be.  His stats on the season show Brad made the right call w/o a doubt.

Yeah since if he were a Celtic he couldn't play against them.... I can't really get bent out of shape about letting him walk. Frankly, I'm not sure why he was acquired in the first place, and his value for his numbers is wretched.

I also don't think Brad's extensions were poorly conceived. Timelord may be a steal at his number. Richardson is highly tradable (when eligible). And I think Smart is as well -- which I very much hope happens.

[todd_days_41]

Jason Richardson is shooting better than Fournier is.  Fournier plays out of his mind against the Celtics, but literally no one else.  Richardson is the better more consistent player and is much better suite for the role the Celtics had available and open.

This is a ridiculous statement. Fournier is a much better basketball player than Richardson. Fournier is literally shooting 38% on almost twice the volume of 3s. I’d also like to point out that Fournier literally shot 46% from three during his brief stint in Boston as well. It was a mistake to not kee him in the summer and it’s still a mistake now.

Moranis is right. There are two ends of the court and If you factor all variables in, including contract, I’d rather have Richardson. Josh is shooting 40% from 3pt this season with Boston and he is a much, much better defender.

Even Fournier also signed a 4 year / $73MM contract. 

That's a noose. Yet Richardson's deal is reasonable, and nice trade fodder this summer and next season.