Spurs (14-21) at Celtics (18-19) Game #38 1/5/22

[nickagneta]

Quick recap of Jaylen's assists for possessions used for the last 3 games since that disaster of a game against the Clippers.

(1) PHO = 24pts on 20 FGAs 6 FTAs 6 TOs = 29 possessions vs 3 assists
(2) ORL = 50pts on 29 FGAs 8 FTAs 7 TOs = 40 possessions vs 4ast
(3) SAS = 30pts on 25 FGAs 3 FTAs 3 TOs = 30 possessions vs 1ast

Total 99 possessions vs 8 assists

In fairness to him, his teammates have shot the ball terribly the last two games.

What are the potential assists he had in those games? The game he had 0 assists he had 8 potential assists is an example of better passing than just assists. I went looking on NBA.com but could only find the seasonal stats for that.

[smokeablount]

Quick recap of Jaylen's assists for possessions used for the last 3 games since that disaster of a game against the Clippers.

(1) PHO = 24pts on 20 FGAs 6 FTAs 6 TOs = 29 possessions vs 3 assists
(2) ORL = 50pts on 29 FGAs 8 FTAs 7 TOs = 40 possessions vs 4ast
(3) SAS = 30pts on 25 FGAs 3 FTAs 3 TOs = 30 possessions vs 1ast

Total 99 possessions vs 8 assists

In fairness to him, his teammates have shot the ball terribly the last two games.

What are the potential assists he had in those games? The game he had 0 assists he had 8 potential assists is an example of better passing than just assists. I went looking on NBA.com but could only find the seasonal stats for that.

It only makes sense to look at potential assists of our guys if we’re looking at assists + potential assists of the guys we’re comparing them to. Like how many assists + potential assists does Lebron or Paul George or whoever get?

We can’t compare our guys potential assists to other guys actual assist numbers, that doesn’t tell us anything because 8 assists + potential assists might still be a mediocre number, and we only know if we look at potential assists league wide.

[LilRip]

Pop destroyed Ime. C’s had all the talent going for them in 4 out of 5 positions but Pop picked this team apart. Kudos to Murray too for playing well down the stretch.

For all the complaining I see here on Smart’s shots, to be fair to the guy, he saved this team midway thru the 4th when he finally checked in because the Spurs were dissecting the Cs defense with PnR after PnR. Smart snuffed those out and stopped the bleeding.

Also, and I’ve said this a bunch before, Brown needs to be stopped using as a playmaker. The coaching staff needs to focus him on scoring and developing his off ball movement (rather than his on-ball playmaking).

[todd_days_41]

If we're speaking about the Spurs game (on the Spurs thread), Jaylen appeared particularly blindered last night.

He didn't settle for jumpers, and got to the paint alot -- and yet the single pass I can recall him making when he got there was a stop-at-the-top-of-the-key-shouldn't-have-picked-up-my-dribble pirouette, then lob it out to someone standing 5 feet outside the 3-point line to start the possession over.

That's what ya love and hate about Jaylen in a nutshell. Once he puts his head down, there's no Option 2 -- so defenses suck in and just throw every hand and body in front of him.

For a guy that did a lot of really good things last night, his passing -- or lack thereof -- was atrocious. As has been discussed ad nauseam, it's a key factor in why this team loses alot. Tatum is frankly only marginally better on this front. It's why Marcus Smart said this November 2nd:

“Every team knows we’re going to Jayson and Jaylen, and every team is programmed and studies to stop Jayson and Jaylen,” Smart said. “I think everybody’s scouting report is to make those guys try and pass the ball. They don’t want to pass the ball and that’s something that they’re going to learn.”

Nothing has changed.

[todd_days_41]

Pop destroyed Ime. C’s had all the talent going for them in 4 out of 5 positions but Pop picked this team apart. Kudos to Murray too for playing well down the stretch.

For all the complaining I see here on Smart’s shots, to be fair to the guy, he saved this team midway thru the 4th when he finally checked in because the Spurs were dissecting the Cs defense with PnR after PnR. Smart snuffed those out and stopped the bleeding.

Also, and I’ve said this a bunch before, Brown needs to be stopped using as a playmaker. The coaching staff needs to focus him on scoring and developing his off ball movement (rather than his on-ball playmaking).

I don't agree at all. The players bad habits crept back in in the 4th, everyone started trying to win the game by themselves, and it killed them. This is an immature group of players -- plain and simple.

[slamtheking]

Pop destroyed Ime. C’s had all the talent going for them in 4 out of 5 positions but Pop picked this team apart. Kudos to Murray too for playing well down the stretch.

For all the complaining I see here on Smart’s shots, to be fair to the guy, he saved this team midway thru the 4th when he finally checked in because the Spurs were dissecting the Cs defense with PnR after PnR. Smart snuffed those out and stopped the bleeding.

Also, and I’ve said this a bunch before, Brown needs to be stopped using as a playmaker. The coaching staff needs to focus him on scoring and developing his off ball movement (rather than his on-ball playmaking).

been saying that myself the past month or so.  Brown's skills are not being utilized well since he's clearly a much better finisher than a playmaker.  rather than forcing that square peg into a round hole, accentuate the skills that make him that square peg.  no issue with having him work on his handle (needs work no matter what else he does on the court) and passing out of a double team but Ime needs to use Jaylen's skillset better until he develops more skills.

[keevsnick]

Quick recap of Jaylen's assists for possessions used for the last 3 games since that disaster of a game against the Clippers.

(1) PHO = 24pts on 20 FGAs 6 FTAs 6 TOs = 29 possessions vs 3 assists
(2) ORL = 50pts on 29 FGAs 8 FTAs 7 TOs = 40 possessions vs 4ast
(3) SAS = 30pts on 25 FGAs 3 FTAs 3 TOs = 30 possessions vs 1ast

Total 99 possessions vs 8 assists

In fairness to him, his teammates have shot the ball terribly the last two games.

What are the potential assists he had in those games? The game he had 0 assists he had 8 potential assists is an example of better passing than just assists. I went looking on NBA.com but could only find the seasonal stats for that.

It only makes sense to look at potential assists of our guys if we’re looking at assists + potential assists of the guys we’re comparing them to. Like how many assists + potential assists does Lebron or Paul George or whoever get?

We can’t compare our guys potential assists to other guys actual assist numbers, that doesn’t tell us anything because 8 assists + potential assists might still be a mediocre number, and we only know if we look at potential assists league wide.

Well, that's half true.

To know what a "good" number of potential assists is you should look at league wide data. Jaylen probably is still below average for his usage at generating potential assists, would be my guess. But you don't need to do that to know Jaylen should have gotten more assists the last few games than he did. Average conversion rate on potential assists is something like 40-50%, so the eight potential assist game for example should have result in something like 3-4 assists.

Both can be true, Jaylen is probably not even an average passer but his teammates REALLY let him down shooting wise as well. He probably played better than the assist numbers indicate.

Then again I dont need to see potential assist numbers to know that, I've watched this team brick shots all year.

Thats why I will continue to say.... Shooting is a far bigger issue than this teams passing.

[Kiorrik]

Quick recap of Jaylen's assists for possessions used for the last 3 games since that disaster of a game against the Clippers.

(1) PHO = 24pts on 20 FGAs 6 FTAs 6 TOs = 29 possessions vs 3 assists
(2) ORL = 50pts on 29 FGAs 8 FTAs 7 TOs = 40 possessions vs 4ast
(3) SAS = 30pts on 25 FGAs 3 FTAs 3 TOs = 30 possessions vs 1ast

Total 99 possessions vs 8 assists

In fairness to him, his teammates have shot the ball terribly the last two games.

What are the potential assists he had in those games? The game he had 0 assists he had 8 potential assists is an example of better passing than just assists. I went looking on NBA.com but could only find the seasonal stats for that.

It only makes sense to look at potential assists of our guys if we’re looking at assists + potential assists of the guys we’re comparing them to. Like how many assists + potential assists does Lebron or Paul George or whoever get?

We can’t compare our guys potential assists to other guys actual assist numbers, that doesn’t tell us anything because 8 assists + potential assists might still be a mediocre number, and we only know if we look at potential assists league wide.

Well, that's half true.

To know what a "good" number of potential assists is you should look at league wide data. Jaylen probably is still below average for his usage at generating potential assists, would be my guess. But you don't need to do that to know Jaylen should have gotten more assists the last few games than he did. Average conversion rate on potential assists is something like 40-50%, so the eight potential assist game for example should have result in something like 3-4 assists.

Both can be true, Jaylen is probably not even an average passer but his teammates REALLY let him down shooting wise as well. He probably played better than the assist numbers indicate.

Then again I dont need to see potential assist numbers to know that, I've watched this team brick shots all year.

Thats why I will continue to say.... Shooting is a far bigger issue than this teams passing.

In JB's defence (but also his Achilles heel) he's played only half the games this season.

JT has made a SIGNIFICANT improvement in passing outta double-teams and bad situations.

JB hasn't. "Yet". He's a heady player, I think he will, eventually, pick up on this too.

MJ did this too. Improve his passing in later years.

Let's hope JB does too.

If he doesn't? There ya go. Ceiling.

JT did. JT is. He is, improving.

[nickagneta]

Jaylen averages 5.5 potential assists a game with 2.7 assists per game. That 50% conversion is pretty average. Of players with 25 minutes played per game, Brown is 90th or so in the league in potential assists per game.

4th on his team though his usage is 2nd. That's not good.

But, how does the team want to use him? Last year Jaylen had his assists per game up to 4, but Stevens told him he wanted Jaylen to shoot more and pass less because that was his strength and it was also what the team needed. He did so and his assists fell to 3.4 per game by season's end.

Is Ime doing the same thing? Not sure we will ever know unless, like Stevens, Udoka goes public with that info.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/gwashburnglobe/status/1479194420721377305?s=21

Haha of course they find a way to cover for the refs’ missed goaltending call in the last two minute report.

Claiming that the guy’s arm “grazed” the rim is asinine - it completely hit it full force while running down JB. And the close up of the video clearly showed the rim moving as a result. Just covering up incompetence!

[todd_days_41]

Jaylen averages 5.5 potential assists a game

He needs to double that number. It shouldn’t be hard. He gets to the paint off the dribble consistently. When guys crash from the wing or keep their (wide open) corner 3 position — actually pass it to ‘em. He’d double it.

[Ogaju]

Does Hanlon have a ‘passing’ camp?

[nickagneta]

Jaylen averages 5.5 potential assists a game

He needs to double that number. It shouldn’t be hard. He gets to the paint off the dribble consistently. When guys crash from the wing or keep their (wide open) corner 3 position — actually pass it to ‘em. He’d double it.

Players with less than 11 potential assists per game:
Marcus Smart
Julius Randle
Paul George
Steph Curry
Kevin Durant
Mike Conley
Chris Middleton
De'Aaron Fox
Lonzo Ball
CJ McCollum
Brandon Ingram
DeMar DeRozan
Donovan Mitchell
Jayson Tatum
Dennis Schröder


Sure, but Jaylen should have 11.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

https://twitter.com/gwashburnglobe/status/1479194420721377305?s=21

Haha of course they find a way to cover for the refs’ missed goaltending call in the last two minute report.

Claiming that the guy’s arm “grazed” the rim is asinine - it completely hit it full force while running down JB. And the close up of the video clearly showed the rim moving as a result. Just covering up incompetence!

Totally asinine. I thought you aren't allowed to touch the rim at all if a shot's going up, regardless of whether the rim moves.

[LilRip]

Pop destroyed Ime. C’s had all the talent going for them in 4 out of 5 positions but Pop picked this team apart. Kudos to Murray too for playing well down the stretch.

For all the complaining I see here on Smart’s shots, to be fair to the guy, he saved this team midway thru the 4th when he finally checked in because the Spurs were dissecting the Cs defense with PnR after PnR. Smart snuffed those out and stopped the bleeding.

Also, and I’ve said this a bunch before, Brown needs to be stopped using as a playmaker. The coaching staff needs to focus him on scoring and developing his off ball movement (rather than his on-ball playmaking).

I don't agree at all. The players bad habits crept back in in the 4th, everyone started trying to win the game by themselves, and it killed them. This is an immature group of players -- plain and simple.

Which part of what I said don’t you agree with:
- Pop outcoached Ime
- Smart’s defense stopped the bleeding
- Brown should be used as a scorer, not a playmaker