Ime has got to go!

[RJ87]

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

Exactly. The Mavs masterfully stumped Tatum. It was close. We’ll get ‘em next time if there is a next time with them.

Eh. I think Tatum made the right passes, but guys missed shots. The difference in today's game was Luka's teammates made us pay when we doubled him, but Tatum's couldn't do that when he was doubled.

[liam]

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

Exactly. The Mavs masterfully stumped Tatum. It was close. We’ll get ‘em next time if there is a next time with them.

They stumped Ime because he made no adjustment. The playoffs are all about adjustments.

Ime has coached the hottest team with the best defense of 2022. Mavs have possibly the best player in the game in Luka. We did good. Ime did good. We’ll be fine come playoffs. Kidd is a joke.

We won't see Kidd in the playoffs but we need to be able to adjust to the other team's game plans. This game was winnable and we didn't adjust.

More than 95% of playoff adjustments come between games not in games. This game was too close to make an adjustment out of the regular game plan.

Maybe so. I really thought he should've keep Pritchard in and maybe even played Stauskas out of one of those timeouts. Why have TIMELORD on the floor when you need a 3?

[BASS_THUMPER]

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

Exactly. The Mavs masterfully stumped Tatum. It was close. We’ll get ‘em next time if there is a next time with them.

They stumped Ime because he made no adjustment. The playoffs are all about adjustments.

Ime has coached the hottest team with the best defense of 2022. Mavs have possibly the best player in the game in Luka. We did good. Ime did good. We’ll be fine come playoffs. Kidd is a joke.

We won't see Kidd in the playoffs but we need to be able to adjust to the other team's game plans. This game was winnable and we didn't adjust.

so winnable games you dont make adjustsment in are not winnable.

I dont know about the playoffs but...




won this one today

[liam]

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

Exactly. The Mavs masterfully stumped Tatum. It was close. We’ll get ‘em next time if there is a next time with them.

Eh. I think Tatum made the right passes, but guys missed shots. The difference in today's game was Luka's teammates made us pay when we doubled him, but Tatum's couldn't do that when he was doubled.

Agreed.

[liam]

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

Exactly. The Mavs masterfully stumped Tatum. It was close. We’ll get ‘em next time if there is a next time with them.

They stumped Ime because he made no adjustment. The playoffs are all about adjustments.

Ime has coached the hottest team with the best defense of 2022. Mavs have possibly the best player in the game in Luka. We did good. Ime did good. We’ll be fine come playoffs. Kidd is a joke.

We won't see Kidd in the playoffs but we need to be able to adjust to the other team's game plans. This game was winnable and we didn't adjust.

so winnable games you dont make adjustsment in are not winnable.

I dont know about the playoffs but...




won this one today

They did adjust by trapping Tatum. We didn't adjust to that.

[Goldstar88]

Thought Ime was thoroughly out coached by Kidd in todays game. Grant was horrible on both ends all game and Udoka refused to put Theis in. Mavs were breaking down the C’s defense in the 2nd half and they were getting wide open shots. Ime waited Till there was 6 mins to go in the game to put Smart and Horford back in and Rob didn’t go in until there was only 3mins left. He needs to be better than that.

This is ridiculous, first off, because Kidd couldn't out coach the dog in my avatar and that dog has been dead 5 years.

Second, sometimes stuff happens. Like:

The refs overturning the foul on Smart with a rule no one has ever heard of before

Grant had a bad game. It happens.

Tatum was shut down for the first in a month. It happens.

The team shot 23% from three. It happens.

A decent at best player in Finney-Smith got red hot in the 2nd half. It happens.

The Celtics lost to the 2nd best defensive team in the league. It happens.

This loss wasn't an Udoka loss. It was a team loss. Lots went wrong and the Celtics still should have had a chance to push it to OT while playing the 2nd hottest team in the league.

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

So you think leaving Al and Smart out of the game until there was only 6 mins remaining and then holding Rob out until 3 mins to go was a smart plan?

Kidd is coaching the Mavs to a better record than the C’s, in a stronger conference and he is doing so with inferior talent. He has Luka and a bunch of role players. I don’t know how you could watch the game today and think that Ime was good.

[nickagneta]

Thought Ime was thoroughly out coached by Kidd in todays game. Grant was horrible on both ends all game and Udoka refused to put Theis in. Mavs were breaking down the C’s defense in the 2nd half and they were getting wide open shots. Ime waited Till there was 6 mins to go in the game to put Smart and Horford back in and Rob didn’t go in until there was only 3mins left. He needs to be better than that.

This is ridiculous, first off, because Kidd couldn't out coach the dog in my avatar and that dog has been dead 5 years.

Second, sometimes stuff happens. Like:

The refs overturning the foul on Smart with a rule no one has ever heard of before

Grant had a bad game. It happens.

Tatum was shut down for the first in a month. It happens.

The team shot 23% from three. It happens.

A decent at best player in Finney-Smith got red hot in the 2nd half. It happens.

The Celtics lost to the 2nd best defensive team in the league. It happens.

This loss wasn't an Udoka loss. It was a team loss. Lots went wrong and the Celtics still should have had a chance to push it to OT while playing the 2nd hottest team in the league.

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

So you think leaving Al and Smart out of the game until there was only 6 mins remaining and then holding Rob out until 3 mins to go was a smart plan?

Kidd is coaching the Mavs to a better record than the C’s, in a stronger conference and he is doing so with inferior talent. He has Luka and a bunch of role players. I don’t know how you could watch the game today and think that Ime was good.

Sorry my friend, I just can't blame this loss on Udoka. His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than most other games. Ime didn't miss 28 threes. Ime didn't rotate too slow and leave Finney-Smith wide, wide open from three many times. Ime didn't shoot 37.5% for the game(btw if the C's shoot 39.7% for the game, an equally terrible number, they win). Ime didn't reverse the call on that Smart three pointer based on a rule that doesn't exist.

Udoka cost this team many games earlier in the year.....but he didn't cost them this one. Dallas played great and Boston couldn't hit water if shooting out of a boat. That's not Udoka's fault

[Goldstar88]

Thought Ime was thoroughly out coached by Kidd in todays game. Grant was horrible on both ends all game and Udoka refused to put Theis in. Mavs were breaking down the C’s defense in the 2nd half and they were getting wide open shots. Ime waited Till there was 6 mins to go in the game to put Smart and Horford back in and Rob didn’t go in until there was only 3mins left. He needs to be better than that.

This is ridiculous, first off, because Kidd couldn't out coach the dog in my avatar and that dog has been dead 5 years.

Second, sometimes stuff happens. Like:

The refs overturning the foul on Smart with a rule no one has ever heard of before

Grant had a bad game. It happens.

Tatum was shut down for the first in a month. It happens.

The team shot 23% from three. It happens.

A decent at best player in Finney-Smith got red hot in the 2nd half. It happens.

The Celtics lost to the 2nd best defensive team in the league. It happens.

This loss wasn't an Udoka loss. It was a team loss. Lots went wrong and the Celtics still should have had a chance to push it to OT while playing the 2nd hottest team in the league.

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

So you think leaving Al and Smart out of the game until there was only 6 mins remaining and then holding Rob out until 3 mins to go was a smart plan?

Kidd is coaching the Mavs to a better record than the C’s, in a stronger conference and he is doing so with inferior talent. He has Luka and a bunch of role players. I don’t know how you could watch the game today and think that Ime was good.

Sorry my friend, I just can't blame this loss on Udoka. His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than most other games. Ime didn't miss 28 threes. Ime didn't rotate too slow and leave Finney-Smith wide, wide open from three many times. Ime didn't shoot 37.5% for the game(btw if the C's shoot 39.7% for the game, an equally terrible number, they win). Ime didn't reverse the call on that Smart three pointer based on a rule that doesn't exist.

Udoka cost this team many games earlier in the year.....but he didn't cost them this one. Dallas played great and Boston couldn't hit water if shooting out of a boat. That's not Udoka's fault

So the coach making bad substitutions down the stretch, including holding 3 of the 5 starters out of the game until there was less than 6 mins to go definitely affected the outcome of the game.

[nickagneta]

Thought Ime was thoroughly out coached by Kidd in todays game. Grant was horrible on both ends all game and Udoka refused to put Theis in. Mavs were breaking down the C’s defense in the 2nd half and they were getting wide open shots. Ime waited Till there was 6 mins to go in the game to put Smart and Horford back in and Rob didn’t go in until there was only 3mins left. He needs to be better than that.

This is ridiculous, first off, because Kidd couldn't out coach the dog in my avatar and that dog has been dead 5 years.

Second, sometimes stuff happens. Like:

The refs overturning the foul on Smart with a rule no one has ever heard of before

Grant had a bad game. It happens.

Tatum was shut down for the first in a month. It happens.

The team shot 23% from three. It happens.

A decent at best player in Finney-Smith got red hot in the 2nd half. It happens.

The Celtics lost to the 2nd best defensive team in the league. It happens.

This loss wasn't an Udoka loss. It was a team loss. Lots went wrong and the Celtics still should have had a chance to push it to OT while playing the 2nd hottest team in the league.

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

So you think leaving Al and Smart out of the game until there was only 6 mins remaining and then holding Rob out until 3 mins to go was a smart plan?

Kidd is coaching the Mavs to a better record than the C’s, in a stronger conference and he is doing so with inferior talent. He has Luka and a bunch of role players. I don’t know how you could watch the game today and think that Ime was good.

Sorry my friend, I just can't blame this loss on Udoka. His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than most other games. Ime didn't miss 28 threes. Ime didn't rotate too slow and leave Finney-Smith wide, wide open from three many times. Ime didn't shoot 37.5% for the game(btw if the C's shoot 39.7% for the game, an equally terrible number, they win). Ime didn't reverse the call on that Smart three pointer based on a rule that doesn't exist.

Udoka cost this team many games earlier in the year.....but he didn't cost them this one. Dallas played great and Boston couldn't hit water if shooting out of a boat. That's not Udoka's fault

So the coach making bad substitutions down the stretch, including holding 3 of the 5 starters out of the game until there was less than 6 mins to go definitely affected the outcome of the game.

So those starters had time to win the game. They only needed to make 2 shots more in the closing couple minutes than they did to win the game. Only one three pointer to tie. They had the time, but they missed the shots and the refs screwed them.

There is no way that is on Udoka. The players didn't perform. The opposition played very well. Teams lose and it's not always on the coach. This one was not.

[tenn_smoothie]

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

Exactly. The Mavs masterfully stumped Tatum. It was close. We’ll get ‘em next time if there is a next time with them.

Eh. I think Tatum made the right passes, but guys missed shots. The difference in today's game was Luka's teammates made us pay when we doubled him, but Tatum's couldn't do that when he was doubled.

Tatum still holds the ball too long. He needs to be taught to move it quickly - get it out of his hands before he gets smothered.
That's on Tatum for being a "not so smart player" and on the coaches for not emphasizing that to him.

[Goldstar88]

Thought Ime was thoroughly out coached by Kidd in todays game. Grant was horrible on both ends all game and Udoka refused to put Theis in. Mavs were breaking down the C’s defense in the 2nd half and they were getting wide open shots. Ime waited Till there was 6 mins to go in the game to put Smart and Horford back in and Rob didn’t go in until there was only 3mins left. He needs to be better than that.

This is ridiculous, first off, because Kidd couldn't out coach the dog in my avatar and that dog has been dead 5 years.

Second, sometimes stuff happens. Like:

The refs overturning the foul on Smart with a rule no one has ever heard of before

Grant had a bad game. It happens.

Tatum was shut down for the first in a month. It happens.

The team shot 23% from three. It happens.

A decent at best player in Finney-Smith got red hot in the 2nd half. It happens.

The Celtics lost to the 2nd best defensive team in the league. It happens.

This loss wasn't an Udoka loss. It was a team loss. Lots went wrong and the Celtics still should have had a chance to push it to OT while playing the 2nd hottest team in the league.

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

So you think leaving Al and Smart out of the game until there was only 6 mins remaining and then holding Rob out until 3 mins to go was a smart plan?

Kidd is coaching the Mavs to a better record than the C’s, in a stronger conference and he is doing so with inferior talent. He has Luka and a bunch of role players. I don’t know how you could watch the game today and think that Ime was good.

Sorry my friend, I just can't blame this loss on Udoka. His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than most other games. Ime didn't miss 28 threes. Ime didn't rotate too slow and leave Finney-Smith wide, wide open from three many times. Ime didn't shoot 37.5% for the game(btw if the C's shoot 39.7% for the game, an equally terrible number, they win). Ime didn't reverse the call on that Smart three pointer based on a rule that doesn't exist.

Udoka cost this team many games earlier in the year.....but he didn't cost them this one. Dallas played great and Boston couldn't hit water if shooting out of a boat. That's not Udoka's fault

So the coach making bad substitutions down the stretch, including holding 3 of the 5 starters out of the game until there was less than 6 mins to go definitely affected the outcome of the game.

So those starters had time to win the game. They only needed to make 2 shots more in the closing couple minutes than they did to win the game. Only one three pointer to tie. They had the time, but they missed the shots and the refs screwed them.

There is no way that is on Udoka. The players didn't perform. The opposition played very well. Teams lose and it's not always on the coach. This one was not.

Or...perhaps if Al and Smart had played more than 6 mins in the fourth and Rob more than 3mins, it wouldn’t have been a one or two possession game down the stretch. I read somewhere that the C’s starters with Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford and Rob have a pretty high rating when they are on the court together. Probably a good idea for them to play more of the 4th quarter, since that is when the game is decided.

[nickagneta]

Thought Ime was thoroughly out coached by Kidd in todays game. Grant was horrible on both ends all game and Udoka refused to put Theis in. Mavs were breaking down the C’s defense in the 2nd half and they were getting wide open shots. Ime waited Till there was 6 mins to go in the game to put Smart and Horford back in and Rob didn’t go in until there was only 3mins left. He needs to be better than that.

This is ridiculous, first off, because Kidd couldn't out coach the dog in my avatar and that dog has been dead 5 years.

Second, sometimes stuff happens. Like:

The refs overturning the foul on Smart with a rule no one has ever heard of before

Grant had a bad game. It happens.

Tatum was shut down for the first in a month. It happens.

The team shot 23% from three. It happens.

A decent at best player in Finney-Smith got red hot in the 2nd half. It happens.

The Celtics lost to the 2nd best defensive team in the league. It happens.

This loss wasn't an Udoka loss. It was a team loss. Lots went wrong and the Celtics still should have had a chance to push it to OT while playing the 2nd hottest team in the league.

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

So you think leaving Al and Smart out of the game until there was only 6 mins remaining and then holding Rob out until 3 mins to go was a smart plan?

Kidd is coaching the Mavs to a better record than the C’s, in a stronger conference and he is doing so with inferior talent. He has Luka and a bunch of role players. I don’t know how you could watch the game today and think that Ime was good.

Sorry my friend, I just can't blame this loss on Udoka. His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than most other games. Ime didn't miss 28 threes. Ime didn't rotate too slow and leave Finney-Smith wide, wide open from three many times. Ime didn't shoot 37.5% for the game(btw if the C's shoot 39.7% for the game, an equally terrible number, they win). Ime didn't reverse the call on that Smart three pointer based on a rule that doesn't exist.

Udoka cost this team many games earlier in the year.....but he didn't cost them this one. Dallas played great and Boston couldn't hit water if shooting out of a boat. That's not Udoka's fault

So the coach making bad substitutions down the stretch, including holding 3 of the 5 starters out of the game until there was less than 6 mins to go definitely affected the outcome of the game.

So those starters had time to win the game. They only needed to make 2 shots more in the closing couple minutes than they did to win the game. Only one three pointer to tie. They had the time, but they missed the shots and the refs screwed them.

There is no way that is on Udoka. The players didn't perform. The opposition played very well. Teams lose and it's not always on the coach. This one was not.

Or...perhaps if Al and Smart had played more than 6 mins in the fourth and Rob more than 3mins, it wouldn’t have been a one or two possession game down the stretch. I read somewhere that the C’s starters with Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford and Rob have a pretty high rating when they are on the court together. Probably a good idea for them to play more of the 4th quarter, since that is when the game is decided.

You don't like Udoka as a coach. I get it.

But you have b!tched and moaned about Ime playing players, specifically Al and Timelord, too many minutes. Al played 33. Timelord 35. Smart 34. Jaylen 35. Tatum 41.

His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than a lot of other games. The starters played big minutes, something you complain about. The starters played way more than enough minutes in the fourth to make just two more shots. JUST 2 MORE SHOTS!!!

So which is it? Play those guys less and live with the results or play them big minutes every game to win games?

You seem to be unhappy with both results. Ime plays the starters big minutes and win and Ime is a bad coach because he should have played them less. Ime plays the starters big minutes and the Celtics lose and Ime is a bad coach because he should have played them more.

I think it shows a clear agenda you have against Udoka because you don't like him. The Celtics shot like crap yesterday. That's on them. Udoka wasn't the problem. The players missing shots and Dallas, a good team playing well, is why the team lost.

[Vermont Green]

I was a staunch undecided on Ime until recently but they have been executing better, playing better.  I think Ime is probably a very good coach, you still can't be 100% sure but as the body of work is playing out, he is looking better.

That said, in the game yesterday against DAL, they executed better.  They appeared to be the better coached team in this one game.  One game does not mean that Kidde is a better coach than Ime, but that is how this one game went.  They were more crisp passing out of double teams and their resulting shots were cleaner.  They made more partly due to just making more but partly due to the fact that the resulting attempts were cleaner.

This has been an ongoing challenge for the Celtics all season.  I feel like there is a scheme there that Ime is trying to implement but the team does not always execute it.  At times they have, especially lately which leads me to believe that Ime does have a good scheme but the players are not always doing it well.  That could be the players just not doing it or it could be the coach not teaching or communicating it well enough.  Or it could be that it is just a work in progress and it takes time.

Even if DAL did execute somewhat better, there were still shots that BOS could have made and has been making lately.  DAL played playoff level defense.  That is what the Celtics need to be ready for.  There is more work to do.  We still need to get better.  Let this game be a reminder of that.  Learn from it and move on.

[Goldstar88]

Thought Ime was thoroughly out coached by Kidd in todays game. Grant was horrible on both ends all game and Udoka refused to put Theis in. Mavs were breaking down the C’s defense in the 2nd half and they were getting wide open shots. Ime waited Till there was 6 mins to go in the game to put Smart and Horford back in and Rob didn’t go in until there was only 3mins left. He needs to be better than that.

This is ridiculous, first off, because Kidd couldn't out coach the dog in my avatar and that dog has been dead 5 years.

Second, sometimes stuff happens. Like:

The refs overturning the foul on Smart with a rule no one has ever heard of before

Grant had a bad game. It happens.

Tatum was shut down for the first in a month. It happens.

The team shot 23% from three. It happens.

A decent at best player in Finney-Smith got red hot in the 2nd half. It happens.

The Celtics lost to the 2nd best defensive team in the league. It happens.

This loss wasn't an Udoka loss. It was a team loss. Lots went wrong and the Celtics still should have had a chance to push it to OT while playing the 2nd hottest team in the league.

Sometimes you try hard but the other team does too and they come out with the W. You tip your hat and say great game and move on.

So you think leaving Al and Smart out of the game until there was only 6 mins remaining and then holding Rob out until 3 mins to go was a smart plan?

Kidd is coaching the Mavs to a better record than the C’s, in a stronger conference and he is doing so with inferior talent. He has Luka and a bunch of role players. I don’t know how you could watch the game today and think that Ime was good.

Sorry my friend, I just can't blame this loss on Udoka. His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than most other games. Ime didn't miss 28 threes. Ime didn't rotate too slow and leave Finney-Smith wide, wide open from three many times. Ime didn't shoot 37.5% for the game(btw if the C's shoot 39.7% for the game, an equally terrible number, they win). Ime didn't reverse the call on that Smart three pointer based on a rule that doesn't exist.

Udoka cost this team many games earlier in the year.....but he didn't cost them this one. Dallas played great and Boston couldn't hit water if shooting out of a boat. That's not Udoka's fault

So the coach making bad substitutions down the stretch, including holding 3 of the 5 starters out of the game until there was less than 6 mins to go definitely affected the outcome of the game.

So those starters had time to win the game. They only needed to make 2 shots more in the closing couple minutes than they did to win the game. Only one three pointer to tie. They had the time, but they missed the shots and the refs screwed them.

There is no way that is on Udoka. The players didn't perform. The opposition played very well. Teams lose and it's not always on the coach. This one was not.

Or...perhaps if Al and Smart had played more than 6 mins in the fourth and Rob more than 3mins, it wouldn’t have been a one or two possession game down the stretch. I read somewhere that the C’s starters with Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford and Rob have a pretty high rating when they are on the court together. Probably a good idea for them to play more of the 4th quarter, since that is when the game is decided.

You don't like Udoka as a coach. I get it.

But you have b!tched and moaned about Ime playing players, specifically Al and Timelord, too many minutes. Al played 33. Timelord 35. Smart 34. Jaylen 35. Tatum 41.

His substitution pattern wasn't all that different than a lot of other games. The starters played big minutes, something you complain about. The starters played way more than enough minutes in the fourth to make just two more shots. JUST 2 MORE SHOTS!!!

So which is it? Play those guys less and live with the results or play them big minutes every game to win games?

You seem to be unhappy with both results. Ime plays the starters big minutes and win and Ime is a bad coach because he should have played them less. Ime plays the starters big minutes and the Celtics lose and Ime is a bad coach because he should have played them more.

I think it shows a clear agenda you have against Udoka because you don't like him. The Celtics shot like crap yesterday. That's on them. Udoka wasn't the problem. The players missing shots and Dallas, a good team playing well, is why the team lost.

Nick, think you are confusing me with someone else. I have never said that the starters are playing too many minutes. I’ve been supportive of Ime using a short rotation of 8-9 players all year. Others wanted Nesmith and Pritchard to get in game experience and blamed lack of playing time for their poor performances, but I always wanted to roll with the Vets So that the C’s could win games. Let the young guys develop in the G-league. Other than Al, all the rotational players are 27 or younger, they can handle the minutes.

I’m undecided on Udoka at this point, he does some things very well and other things need improvement. I’ve gone over what I believe  he needs to be better at, so here are the things I like. He’s an excellent defensive coach, He’s relatable to the players and they seem to respect him. He’s pushing Tatum to be a top 10 player in the league and has told him not to respect the other great players like they are your big brother, which I believe Jayson has taken to heart. He’s typically much better at calling timeouts than Brad ever was and I also think he holds players accountable.

There’s probably more to like than not like with Ime at this point, but he needs to iron certain things out before the playoffs. In a close game, errors by the coach is going to cost the C’s wins.

[ozgod]

Ime nearly avoided being fired, thank goodness we won that Thunder game or the knives might have been out 

Incidentally, at the time this thread was started, the Cs were 16-17, so the initial sentiments were certainly understandable. Since then though, we have gone 29-11.



So this thread is really our good luck charm