Just because Brown isn't leading the team is those stats doesn't mean he couldn't if given the lead role. Like when Jordan left Pippen stepped up or like when KD left Westbrook took over.  Despite all those numbers posted Brown is the best player after Tatum and it is not close. On top of that Brown can be put on the harder of the wing players to guard allow Tatum more freedom.

I'd trade Brown for someone like KAT but doubt Wolves make that an option.

For those willing to trade jaylen for "fair value", who else aside from Fox

Hopefully we aren't trading Jaylen for several role players ...

For those willing to trade jaylen for "fair value", who else aside from Fox

Hopefully we aren't trading Jaylen for several role players ...

I wouldn't do it for Fox. He's an open-court player. Don't trust him to run the offense in the half court.

Wouldn't do it for Sabonis or Siakam. I'd love us to go after Siakam without including Jaylen.

Brown for Beal is probably fair value for both teams. Not sure whether I like it. In a vacuum, imo Beal is the better player. Problem is, he's considerably older than Brown and he's about to become overpaid. Gun to my head, I'd say no.

I'd be open to the idea of trading Jaylen for Simmons, but I'd ask for more value coming our way either in the form of pick(s) or additional player(s). Let's say Brown+garbage contract for Simmons+Thybulle+ first(s). Personally speaking, I'm still very high on Simmons' game. That said, I fully understand he's a polarizing player. Unfortunately, we'd then probably have to trade Timelord. I mean, he'd be a terrible fit next to Simmons. Let's say we send Timelord+JRich to the Raps for Trent Jr. (or something along these lines, I haven't given much thought to it). Or we dump him to OKC for one of their gazillion firsts. They can absorb his contract. No need to match salaries.

PG: Smart
SG: Trent Jr.
SF: Tatum
PF: Simmons
C: Horford

When Horford's contract runs out / If we trade Horford next season:

PG: Smart
SG: Trent Jr.
SF: 3+D (s)wing, maybe Nesmith if he develops his game
PF: Tatum
C: Simmons

I reckon both these lineups would be more functional and more talented than the one we have right now. Again, I understand Simmons is a polarizing player. Feel free not to like it, but it's probably in the ballpark of fair value for Jaylen.

Quote from: pokeKingCurtis on December 21, 2021, 08:08:45 PM

For those willing to trade jaylen for "fair value", who else aside from Fox

Hopefully we aren't trading Jaylen for several role players ...

Fox is a clear upgrade. No thanks

You mean downgrade? I'm JKJB but yeah - it's tough to find anyone of equal value that's worth doing. A young wing player is just so much more valuable than Sabonis for example.

I'd be open to the idea of trading Jaylen for Simmons, but I'd ask for more value coming our way either in the form of pick(s) or additional player(s). Let's say Brown+garbage contract for Simmons+Thybulle+ first(s). Personally speaking, I'm still very high on Simmons' game. That said, I fully understand he's a polarizing player. Unfortunately, we'd then probably have to trade Timelord. I mean, he'd be a terrible fit next to Simmons. Let's say we send Timelord+JRich to the Raps for Trent Jr. (or something along these lines, I haven't given much thought to it). Or we dump him to OKC for one of their gazillion firsts. They can absorb his contract. No need to match salaries.

PG: Smart
SG: Trent Jr.
SF: Tatum
PF: Simmons
C: Horford

When Horford's contract runs out / If we trade Horford next season:

PG: Smart
SG: Trent Jr.
SF: 3+D (s)wing, maybe Nesmith if he develops his game
PF: Tatum
C: Simmons

I reckon both these lineups would be more functional and more talented than the one we have right now. Again, I understand Simmons is a polarizing player. Feel free not to like it, but it's probably in the ballpark of fair value for Jaylen.

Smart for Simmons is something I'd consider, just to fit Simmons next to the Jays. Even trading Smart gives me pause, let alone Jaylen. But I understand where you're coming from.

If we're doing headcases, Zion would be the one I'm eyeing for Jaylen.

if you trade JB, you’re not going to get a huge upgrade for him. You’re also not gonna wanna bite on clear downgrades for him. The main reason why you trade JB (imo) is to find an even more ideal fit around Tatum. Which begs the question: how do you build around Tatum?

Here is the thing, once you realize that isn't what you maybe thought he was going to be, it's too late.  I agree that Jaylen is no longer a prospect and (at least to me), it's pretty clear what he is and isn't.  Yes, I've been termed a Jaylen hater by some but it has everything to do with the idea that I never thought we had a true superstar.

But he's no longer a prospect.  So there are really two things to get for Jaylen in a trade.  You can get another pretty good player that has flaws too, just different ones.  I don't think you can trade Jaylen for a superstar unless that star is demanding a trade to Boston.  The other possibility in a trade, and I'm not suggesting this right now, is to essentially blow it up.  Trade Jaylen for a younger prospect or picks.

My main point though is whatever you get back will likely not be completely satisfactory either.

At least be honest. You didn't even think the Celtics had an NBA player. Three years of posting history that can be easily accessed proves that.

I think I'd do something like Brown, nesmith, langford, and rw3 for sabonis and brogdon. 

Brogdon schroeder PP
Smart Richardson
Tatum
Sabonis GW
Hortford Freedom

Still a little weak off the bench, but the core 7 or 8 would be very strong.