''Celtics focused on trying to add a 3rd star''

[Rosco917]

In order to plugin a new and more traditional PG on this team the major players surrounding him must concede the ball to him and allow him to do his job. I'm not sure unless you get a veteran, big name PG that will actually happen.   

[BruceBanner18]

I wonder how many shots will be available for this "3rd Star."

We know he's not gettin any of Tatums shots. And Brown will also dig his feet in too, when he's healthy.

You need a 3rd Star that doesn't rely on the pecking order mentality. IMO Sabonis is the guy, at 6-10 he takes just 12 shots a game to average 17. His rebounding is top 7. Most importantly... he's a fine passer too.

The center position is then shared by the 35 year old Horford and the injury prone Williams. Smart goes to 6th man and Schroder PG.

I think Sabonis logs more minutes at C than PF if he comes to the Celtics

[nickagneta]

Do some of you guys making these trade proposals even consider what the other team wants?

Mid to late first rounders and picks are not going to get you stars or near stars if all you send out with those picks are the Celtics garbage. Teams aren't going to trade us a big if they are set at guard and all you are sending them are guards. Certain teams simply are not going to trade with the Celtics.

Consider what the other teams want. What are they trying to accomplish by trading the player you are proposing coming to the Celtics. Make the trade hurt for both sides because those are usually the trades that get made.

[LilRip]

In order to plugin a new and more traditional PG on this team the major players surrounding him must concede the ball to him and allow him to do his job. I'm not sure unless you get a veteran, big name PG that will actually happen.

John Wall, if he gets bought out next offseason (it’s impossible to trade for him), might work on this team. He’s not a shooter and he’s not the speed demon he once was, but he’s a playmaker and has good size for defense.

We would need more shooters though. Even today, having to play Smart, JRich and Schroder (because they’re part of the best 9 players on the team) kills spacing. We need more Langford’s and Grant’s imo: hardworking players who can catch and shoot.

[jbpats]

Beal is my target but realistically I think Sabonis is the only person we can land, that could have a major impact, without giving up the Jay's.

I am a bit nervous that Indy will tell us to f-off seeing I am still a firm believer that Ainge screwed them out of landing Hayward.. maybe Stevens Indy roots can help offset that.

[nickagneta]

In order to plugin a new and more traditional PG on this team the major players surrounding him must concede the ball to him and allow him to do his job. I'm not sure unless you get a veteran, big name PG that will actually happen.

John Wall, if he gets bought out next offseason (it’s impossible to trade for him), might work on this team. He’s not a shooter and he’s not the speed demon he once was, but he’s a playmaker and has good size for defense.

We would need more shooters though. Even today, having to play Smart, JRich and Schroder (because they’re part of the best 9 players on the team) kills spacing. We need more Langford’s and Grant’s imo: hardworking players who can catch and shoot.

I proposed elsewhere a Houston trade that sent Boston Christian Wood along with Wall that made a lot of sense. It got Wall's contract and other money off the Rockets books. Sent them even more draft picks. Swaps out our big in Horford for their big in Wood. Involves using our TPE that gives them a bunch of flexibility and sends them young prospects including the rights to Yam and Bagarin. Houston is obviously rebuilding and Wall, and to a lesser extent, Wood don't fit their timeline. Win win for everyone.

[Bobshot]

How about John Wall?

He looks healthy, and is sitting in limbo because he wants to start and the management says no.

He's owed a king's ransom the next two years, but if you want a guy, you figure something out--Lakers and Nets style.

Simmons is out--Philly will never deal him to an arch rival, and he will cost Brown. So no to that.

The guy to get is Wall. They can get him without giving up Tatum or Brown. Money makes the world go around....

How would we send out 40 million in contract money?

I guess they'll have to figure something out. Something's gotta give, like the song says.

[Celtics2021]

Beal is my target but realistically I think Sabonis is the only person we can land, that could have a major impact, without giving up the Jay's.

I am a bit nervous that Indy will tell us to f-off seeing I am still a firm believer that Ainge screwed them out of landing Hayward.. maybe Stevens Indy roots can help offset that.

I like the concept that Ainge screwed the Pacers out of landing Hayward by refusing to trade for players the Pacers are widely reporting to be trying to get rid of (and/or traded a month later in the case of Oladipo).

[Neurotic Guy]

How about John Wall?

He looks healthy, and is sitting in limbo because he wants to start and the management says no.

He's owed a king's ransom the next two years, but if you want a guy, you figure something out--Lakers and Nets style.

Simmons is out--Philly will never deal him to an arch rival, and he will cost Brown. So no to that.

The guy to get is Wall. They can get him without giving up Tatum or Brown. Money makes the world go around....

How would we send out 40 million in contract money?

I guess they'll have to figure something out. Something's gotta give, like the song says.

Wall can pass the ball and score, but will drive people crazy Smart-like with poor 3 pt shooting. 

Minds sharper than mine might be able to discern the potential benefits or detriments there may be to having his 47M expiring contract next season.

[Jvalin]

In order to plugin a new and more traditional PG on this team the major players surrounding him must concede the ball to him and allow him to do his job. I'm not sure unless you get a veteran, big name PG that will actually happen.

John Wall, if he gets bought out next offseason (it’s impossible to trade for him), might work on this team. He’s not a shooter and he’s not the speed demon he once was, but he’s a playmaker and has good size for defense.

Certainly not impossible, but I wouldn't do it. Not even even if they send us a first.



I'd strongly consider it if we also swap Smart for Wood (no picks, no nothing), but I doubt the Rockets would pull the trigger.



Basketball-wise, I reckon Wall would be a decent-ish fit on the Celtics. We could have a use for his passing ability. Unfortunately, he's a below average shooter. He needs the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. Judging by his performances during last season, I don't think he's cooked. Needless to say, he's massively overpaid. I'd much rather have Smart at 14 mil over Wall at 44 mil. At least his contract becomes an expiring next season. We could attach a bunch of picks to it and go after a disgruntled star to create a big 3. We might even be able to go after Beal via sign and trade. Haven't put down the numbers, but I believe we could end up below the apron.

[nickagneta]

In order to plugin a new and more traditional PG on this team the major players surrounding him must concede the ball to him and allow him to do his job. I'm not sure unless you get a veteran, big name PG that will actually happen.

John Wall, if he gets bought out next offseason (it’s impossible to trade for him), might work on this team. He’s not a shooter and he’s not the speed demon he once was, but he’s a playmaker and has good size for defense.

Certainly not impossible, but I wouldn't do it. Not even even if they send us a first.



I'd strongly consider it if we also swap Smart for Wood (no picks, no nothing), but I doubt the Rockets would pull the trigger.



Basketball-wise, I reckon Wall would be a decent-ish fit on the Celtics. We could have a use for his passing ability. Unfortunately, he's a below average shooter. He needs the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. Judging by his performances during last season, I don't think he's cooked. Needless to say, he's massively overpaid. I'd much rather have Smart at 14 mil over Wall at 44 mil. At least his contract becomes an expiring next season. We could attach a bunch of picks to it and go after a disgruntled star to create a big 3. We might even be able to go after Beal via sign and trade. Haven't put down the numbers, but I believe we could finalize the deal while staying below the apron.

Wouldn't even have to send Smart in the Wood trade. Wood slips into our TPE. Send that to Houston. They would want that way more than Smart and his extension.

[Jvalin]

In order to plugin a new and more traditional PG on this team the major players surrounding him must concede the ball to him and allow him to do his job. I'm not sure unless you get a veteran, big name PG that will actually happen.

John Wall, if he gets bought out next offseason (it’s impossible to trade for him), might work on this team. He’s not a shooter and he’s not the speed demon he once was, but he’s a playmaker and has good size for defense.

Certainly not impossible, but I wouldn't do it. Not even even if they send us a first.



I'd strongly consider it if we also swap Smart for Wood (no picks, no nothing), but I doubt the Rockets would pull the trigger.



Basketball-wise, I reckon Wall would be a decent-ish fit on the Celtics. We could have a use for his passing ability. Unfortunately, he's a below average shooter. He needs the ball in his hands to maximize his effectiveness. Judging by his performances during last season, I don't think he's cooked. Needless to say, he's massively overpaid. I'd much rather have Smart at 14 mil over Wall at 44 mil. At least his contract becomes an expiring next season. We could attach a bunch of picks to it and go after a disgruntled star to create a big 3. We might even be able to go after Beal via sign and trade. Haven't put down the numbers, but I believe we could finalize the deal while staying below the apron.

Wouldn't even have to send Smart in the Wood trade. Wood slips into our TPE. Send that to Houston. They would want that way more than Smart and his extension.

Good luck convincing Wyc to pay the luxury tax if we absorb Wood's salary on top of adding Wall's bloated contract.

I don't expect us to use the TPE during the season. Not a significant part of it anyway. The lux tax would explode through the roof. Maybe during the offseason if an opportunity arises.

[todd_days_41]

Get Sabonis. If you have to overpay a bit to convince IND to do it, fine.

I'd rather send out our rookie contract players than (all) picks, but who knows how the Pacers feel about our very shaky draft picks.

[ManUp]

Celtics need to stop chasing guys who are already established and starting getting guys on the upswing. Christian Woods is one of those players. He has a cheap contract and he's trapped on a rebuilding team. He's an agile, athletic big, who can shoot as well as drive the ball. I'd trade TimeLord, Nesmith, a  protected 1st for him. I don't think resigning him would be an issue and he fits with the Jays timeline.

[nickagneta]

Celtics need to stop chasing guys who are already established and starting getting guys on the upswing. Christian Woods is one of those players. He has a cheap contract and he's trapped on a rebuilding team. He's an agile, athletic big, who can shoot as well as drive the ball. I'd trade TimeLord, Nesmith, a  protected 1st for him. I don't think resigning him would be an issue and he fits with the Jays timeline.

You realize there is a contradiction in your thought pattern here, right? Christian Wood, young guy on the upswing, but you want to trade Timelord to get him, an even younger guy on the upswing.

Wood fits into out TPE, so that and two picks(1st and a highly protected 1st that converts to 2 seconds). Or Juancho, Freedom and Nesmith with a first works also. Two expiring contracts, a prospect and a pick seems reasonable.

If Wood goes on the block though, I imagine those things won't be enough. Several playoff bound teams will be jumping all over the place in a bidding war for Wood.