Idea: Jaylen for Zion, JV, Walker

[nickagneta]

If Valanciunas could be traded and Zion Williamson didn't have a very bad history of foot injuries, I would drive Jaylen to the airport myself and say thanks for the memories JB.

But Val can't be traded and Zion has the same foot issues Yao Ming did only earlier in his career, so the answer for now has to be

#JKJB

[Kiorrik]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

[KG Living Legend]

If Valanciunas could be traded and Zion Williamson didn't have a very bad history of foot injuries, I would drive Jaylen to the airport myself and say thanks for the memories JB.

But Val can't be traded and Zion has the same foot issues Yao Ming did only earlier in his career, so the answer for now has to be

#JKJB

 Well thank you for being honest Nick. That's a TP. A lot of posters here won't even admit that under ideal circumstances.

[KG Living Legend]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

[Kiorrik]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

No, dude. Because I don't think there *is* one.

JB's injuries make him harder to trade. He's also more valuable to the Celtics than he is to any other team, because he's a known quantity here.

He's also increased his production by heaps over the years. Almost every single year.

All of those are reasons he's not going to yield the value he'd have for us if we kept him.

We're better off keeping him. Easily. Next year, he's better than ANY player we COULD get for him now.

This is the whole point of #JKJB.

So coming up with a viable trade? No dude, you're not listening. We don't WANT to trade. It's like asking "you come up with a viable vegetable to trade my left leg for". None. [redacted] giving up my left leg for a vegetable.

[cletus1985]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

JB and Hermangomez for Myles Turner and Caris Levert. Indiana wants to move Turner and they may view JB as the star they're looking for and willing to ship out Levert to attain said star.  Boston would probably have to include some pick compensation,  but it's more realistic and adds quality depth.

[pokeKingCurtis]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

Jeez I voted in favor of the trade but what the heck OP ... 

[Moranis]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

No, dude. Because I don't think there *is* one.

JB's injuries make him harder to trade. He's also more valuable to the Celtics than he is to any other team, because he's a known quantity here.

He's also increased his production by heaps over the years. Almost every single year.

All of those are reasons he's not going to yield the value he'd have for us if we kept him.

We're better off keeping him. Easily. Next year, he's better than ANY player we COULD get for him now.

This is the whole point of #JKJB.

So coming up with a viable trade? No dude, you're not listening. We don't WANT to trade. It's like asking "you come up with a viable vegetable to trade my left leg for". None. [redacted] giving up my left leg for a vegetable.

Zion is better than him though.  Clearly a greater injury risk, but better.  So if you will only trade Brown for a better player, why wouldn't you trade him for Zion.

[Goldstar88]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

JB and Hermangomez for Myles Turner and Caris Levert. Indiana wants to move Turner and they may view JB as the star they're looking for and willing to ship out Levert to attain said star.  Boston would probably have to include some pick compensation,  but it's more realistic and adds quality depth.

Feel like that’s trading a quarter for two nickels. Turner is super overrated. Lavert isn’t a very good shooter and he’s not having a great year overall.

[pokeKingCurtis]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

No, dude. Because I don't think there *is* one.

JB's injuries make him harder to trade. He's also more valuable to the Celtics than he is to any other team, because he's a known quantity here.

He's also increased his production by heaps over the years. Almost every single year.

All of those are reasons he's not going to yield the value he'd have for us if we kept him.

We're better off keeping him. Easily. Next year, he's better than ANY player we COULD get for him now.

This is the whole point of #JKJB.

So coming up with a viable trade? No dude, you're not listening. We don't WANT to trade. It's like asking "you come up with a viable vegetable to trade my left leg for". None. [redacted] giving up my left leg for a vegetable.

Zion is better than him though.  Clearly a greater injury risk, but better.  So if you will only trade Brown for a better player, why wouldn't you trade him for Zion.

Zion's weight issues give me a ton of pause, and alleged attitude issues (falling asleep during video sessions I read somewhere here). But there's no other way you'd get him.

I'm kind of almost on the fence with the way Jaylen's improving. But potentially getting basically Charles Barkley is super tempting.

[Atzar]

Zion is better than him though.  Clearly a greater injury risk, but better.  So if you will only trade Brown for a better player, why wouldn't you trade him for Zion.

Because he’s a 300-pound human with foot injuries. 

I have some concerns that Jaylen is injury-prone.  That is dwarfed by my concern that Zion’s body just can’t handle what he’s doing to it.  I like that guy and I hope he gets healthy, but I would not bet JB on that likelihood.

[nickagneta]

Brown being injury prone is being massively, massively overstated on this site. He's had two injuries since the tail end of last year that has limited him. But in the 4-3/4 seasons before that, he played in 90% of the games he was eligible to play in. That percentage is higher than just about everyone on this team's main rotation except Tatum and Grant Williams and yet no one is calling out those players as injury prone. Why is that?

Why? Because this whole "Jaylen is injury prone" dialog is nothing more than recency biased pushed by many of Jaylen's distractors on this site to push their trade ideas and anti-Jaylen narratives. Yes, Moranis, Greenly, KGLL I mean you guys.

And, I have said all I have to say on this matter.

[cletus1985]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

JB and Hermangomez for Myles Turner and Caris Levert. Indiana wants to move Turner and they may view JB as the star they're looking for and willing to ship out Levert to attain said star.  Boston would probably have to include some pick compensation,  but it's more realistic and adds quality depth.

Feel like that’s trading a quarter for two nickels. Turner is super overrated. Lavert isn’t a very good shooter and he’s not having a great year overall.

He asked for realistic,  so I found a reasonable deal.  Not a trade I'd do personally,  but I think it reflects his value more accurately than the original post.  Unless you want Simmons, I don't think we're getting a better package unless a better player requests a trade.

[Kiorrik]

 My point has been made with the poll results.  N.O. would never offer this much for Jaylen.  And the poll results are 15 to 1.

 Completely irrational homerism  for Jaylen.  Not surprisingly.  We are on celtics blog after all.

... m8.

You post a terrible trade and then call people homers.

The heck man.

 You try coming up with a better Jaylen trade that's at least somewhat realistic..

No, dude. Because I don't think there *is* one.

JB's injuries make him harder to trade. He's also more valuable to the Celtics than he is to any other team, because he's a known quantity here.

He's also increased his production by heaps over the years. Almost every single year.

All of those are reasons he's not going to yield the value he'd have for us if we kept him.

We're better off keeping him. Easily. Next year, he's better than ANY player we COULD get for him now.

This is the whole point of #JKJB.

So coming up with a viable trade? No dude, you're not listening. We don't WANT to trade. It's like asking "you come up with a viable vegetable to trade my left leg for". None. [redacted] giving up my left leg for a vegetable.

Zion is better than him though.  Clearly a greater injury risk, but better.  So if you will only trade Brown for a better player, why wouldn't you trade him for Zion.

Did you really just ask me why I wouldn't trade JB for Zion?

JB's injuries make him harder to trade. He's also more valuable to the Celtics than he is to any other team, because he's a known quantity here.

He's also increased his production by heaps over the years. Almost every single year.

All of those are reasons he's not going to yield the value he'd have for us if we kept him.

We're better off keeping him. Easily. Next year, he's better than ANY player we COULD get for him now.

This is the whole point of #JKJB.

... feel like I'm repeating myself.

[Moranis]

Brown being injury prone is being massively, massively overstated on this site. He's had two injuries since the tail end of last year that has limited him. But in the 4-3/4 seasons before that, he played in 90% of the games he was eligible to play in. That percentage is higher than just about everyone on this team's main rotation except Tatum and Grant Williams and yet no one is calling out those players as injury prone. Why is that?

Why? Because this whole "Jaylen is injury prone" dialog is nothing more than recency biased pushed by many of Jaylen's distractors on this site to push their trade ideas and anti-Jaylen narratives. Yes, Moranis, Greenly, KGLL I mean you guys.

And, I have said all I have to say on this matter.

You aren't paying attention.  I've called Smart injury prone for years (he has missed 3 more games than Brown since Brown entered the league, but in the last 4 years Smart has played 12 more and didn't miss entire post season).  Rob and Romeo are clearly injury prone.  Horford is old, so not sure if he is injury prone or just old (or perhaps him being old makes him more prone to injuries).

Brown has been injured a lot.  Every season in his career he has at least 1 stretch where he has missed at least 3 games in a row because of injury. Most years it is well over 5 games in a row, and some seasons there are multiple such stretches (he already has a 7 game and 5 game stretch this year).  And it isn't just the missed games, it is the game before when he gets hurt and the games after when he gets back into the flow (he played 5 games between his 2 stretches this year and only hit at least 28 minutes 1 time in that stretch).   On top of that, he has missed an entire post season and been injured in multiple other ones.

Brown is absolutely prone to injury.  That is why he keeps missing games because of injury.  Every single season.  Multiple game stretches.  That is basically the definition of injury prone.  Again not as severe as Langford, Williams or obviously Zion, but Brown is absolutely injury prone.